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Tatas, M&M may participate in Rs 12,700-crore Army fleet upgrade project

The Army is all set to reverse its decision to hand over a mega Rs 12,700-crore upgrade of its fleet of infantry combat vehicles to the public sector. The deal will now be opened up for the private sector as well, allowing top players likeTata and Mahindra to participate in the bid.

Sources familiar with developments have told ET that the new plan entails splitting the contract to modernise over 1,600 in-service BMP2 armoured vehicles in two rounds. In the first phase, 640 of the Soviet origin infantry combat vehicles will be straight away put up for the private sector to bid on a competitive basis. Based on this, a final call will be taken on the remaining vehicles. The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) is, however, lobbying hard to retain part of the balance contract.

ET has learnt that the army has already moved a formal note in December second week, reversing its earlier decision to upgrade all of the armoured vehicles through OFB. The decision presents a big opportunity to the private sector to acquire basic technology and knowhow on design,which, in turn, could help companies to aspire greater involvement in more challenging projects like the Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV).

The army had earlier proposed that the comprehensive upgradation of its BMP 2 armoured vehicles — to be modernised with new fire control systems, Kornet E anti-tank missiles and third generation night vision capability — be handed over the Medhak Ordnance Factory. As reported by ET in September, the private industry was up in arms against the move as it had its eyes set on the contract that was being seen as a key enabler.

It’s believed that several companies also protested to the defence ministry against the move to hand over the project on non-competitive basis. The BMP 2 ‘Sarath’ infantry combat vehicles are the mainstay of the mechanised infantry and have been in service since 1987. They are employed in various roles — from an armoured ambulance to an amphibious dozer, besides offensive combat missions.
 
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Tatas, M&M may participate in Rs 12,700-crore Army fleet upgrade project

The Army is all set to reverse its decision to hand over a mega Rs 12,700-crore upgrade of its fleet of infantry combat vehicles to the public sector. The deal will now be opened up for the private sector as well, allowing top players likeTata and Mahindra to participate in the bid.

Sources familiar with developments have told ET that the new plan entails splitting the contract to modernise over 1,600 in-service BMP2 armoured vehicles in two rounds. In the first phase, 640 of the Soviet origin infantry combat vehicles will be straight away put up for the private sector to bid on a competitive basis. Based on this, a final call will be taken on the remaining vehicles. The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) is, however, lobbying hard to retain part of the balance contract.

ET has learnt that the army has already moved a formal note in December second week, reversing its earlier decision to upgrade all of the armoured vehicles through OFB. The decision presents a big opportunity to the private sector to acquire basic technology and knowhow on design,which, in turn, could help companies to aspire greater involvement in more challenging projects like the Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV).

The army had earlier proposed that the comprehensive upgradation of its BMP 2 armoured vehicles — to be modernised with new fire control systems, Kornet E anti-tank missiles and third generation night vision capability — be handed over the Medhak Ordnance Factory. As reported by ET in September, the private industry was up in arms against the move as it had its eyes set on the contract that was being seen as a key enabler.

It’s believed that several companies also protested to the defence ministry against the move to hand over the project on non-competitive basis. The BMP 2 ‘Sarath’ infantry combat vehicles are the mainstay of the mechanised infantry and have been in service since 1987. They are employed in various roles — from an armoured ambulance to an amphibious dozer, besides offensive combat missions.

A very good news..
  • The way forward should be a pvt sector participating but in a consortium approach giving more scope of development and lesser project risk.
  • The BMP2 up gradation itself would open up a pandora's box of opportunities for pvt sector.
  • The realistic knowledge gain, the operational advantages and disadvantages, new Fire Control Systems, Anti tank Missiles and Night Vision Tech essentially means first hand experience towards the FICV plan.
  • The up-gradation itself will help the in-house designers understand the BMP2 design constraints and help the feedback for better FICV design.
  • In fact, this is very well thought out and planned stepping stone for companies keen for the bigger pie in FICV project.
  • I remember reading that TATA group is keen to win the FICV project under design and build in MII. The project itself is about Rs 60K crores.
  • Ten contenders are, — L&T, Tata Power (SED), Tata Motors, Mahindra & Mahindra, Bharat Forge, Pipavav Defence, Rolta India, Punj Lloyd, Titagarh Wagons, and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) — for the FICV programme, who have been issued an expression of interest (EOI) by MOD
  • I think deadline for submitting proposals is January 15, 2016 to build the FICV.
  • FICV is basically a tracked, armoured battle-taxi, which will be operated by 3 crew and carry 8 combat soldiers into battle. As per the EoI, the FICV must be air-portable by IL-76 and C-17 aircraft, and fire anti-tank guided missiles up to 4,000 metres.
  • From the bidders, two firms will be selected to design and develop separate FICVs, which will be reimbursed 80 per cent of their costs by the defence ministry.
  • Out of the two FICVs developed, one will be selected for mass-production .
  • With BMP2 upgradation this is a win win for pvt sector in our MIC
 
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A very good news..
  • The way forward should be a pvt sector participating but in a consortium approach giving more scope of development and lesser project risk.
  • The BMP2 up gradation itself would open up a pandora's box of opportunities for pvt sector.
  • The realistic knowledge gain, the operational advantages and disadvantages, new Fire Control Systems, Anti tank Missiles and Night Vision Tech essentially means first hand experience towards the FICV plan.
  • The up-gradation itself will help the in-house designers understand the BMP2 design constraints and help the feedback for better FICV design.
  • In fact, this is very well thought out and planned stepping stone for companies keen for the bigger pie in FICV project.
  • I remember reading that TATA group is keen to win the FICV project under design and build in MII. The project itself is about Rs 60K crores.
  • Ten contenders are, — L&T, Tata Power (SED), Tata Motors, Mahindra & Mahindra, Bharat Forge, Pipavav Defence, Rolta India, Punj Lloyd, Titagarh Wagons, and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) — for the FICV programme, who have been issued an expression of interest (EOI) by MOD
  • I think deadline for submitting proposals is January 15, 2016 to build the FICV.
  • FICV is basically a tracked, armoured battle-taxi, which will be operated by 3 crew and carry 8 combat soldiers into battle. As per the EoI, the FICV must be air-portable by IL-76 and C-17 aircraft, and fire anti-tank guided missiles up to 4,000 metres.
  • From the bidders, two firms will be selected to design and develop separate FICVs, which will be reimbursed 80 per cent of their costs by the defence ministry.
  • Out of the two FICVs developed, one will be selected for mass-production .
  • With BMP2 upgradation this is a win win for pvt sector in our MIC



FICV is both tracked and wheeled.

TATA is working on both prototypes, Hard to say what stage the other companies are at.

The crazy thing about TATA is that they actually submitted a design for the FRCV tank platform, which is basically a T90 replacement.

All major private firms entering the defence sector have big ambitions in the armored division.

L&T has won the contract to produce the Korean K9 Thunders, currently producing a manufacturing plant.
 
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FICV is both tracked and wheeled.

TATA is working on both prototypes, Hard to say what stage the other companies are at.

The crazy thing about TATA is that they actually submitted a design for the FRCV tank platform, which is basically a T90 replacement.

All major private firms entering the defence sector have big ambitions in the armored division.

L&T has won the contract to produce the Korean K9 Thunders, currently producing a manufacturing plant.

Yes sir, It looks like slowly pvt sector will get some good breakthroughs.. I hope they deliver it in right time frame.. thats very imp..

BTW sir, K9 any more news beyond the L&T K9 shortlisting. Is the contract signed? I remember that MOD was expected to open negotiations with Larsen & Toubro (L&T) for assembly at its Pune facility.

TATA looks to be expanding well in Defense sector. From armored vehicles to aerospace to variety of stuff, they can surely become the LM/Boeing equivalent for India along with L&T
 
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A very good news..
  • The way forward should be a pvt sector participating but in a consortium approach giving more scope of development and lesser project risk.
  • The BMP2 up gradation itself would open up a pandora's box of opportunities for pvt sector.
  • The realistic knowledge gain, the operational advantages and disadvantages, new Fire Control Systems, Anti tank Missiles and Night Vision Tech essentially means first hand experience towards the FICV plan.
  • The up-gradation itself will help the in-house designers understand the BMP2 design constraints and help the feedback for better FICV design.
  • In fact, this is very well thought out and planned stepping stone for companies keen for the bigger pie in FICV project.
  • I remember reading that TATA group is keen to win the FICV project under design and build in MII. The project itself is about Rs 60K crores.
  • Ten contenders are, — L&T, Tata Power (SED), Tata Motors, Mahindra & Mahindra, Bharat Forge, Pipavav Defence, Rolta India, Punj Lloyd, Titagarh Wagons, and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) — for the FICV programme, who have been issued an expression of interest (EOI) by MOD
  • I think deadline for submitting proposals is January 15, 2016 to build the FICV.
  • FICV is basically a tracked, armoured battle-taxi, which will be operated by 3 crew and carry 8 combat soldiers into battle. As per the EoI, the FICV must be air-portable by IL-76 and C-17 aircraft, and fire anti-tank guided missiles up to 4,000 metres.
  • From the bidders, two firms will be selected to design and develop separate FICVs, which will be reimbursed 80 per cent of their costs by the defence ministry.
  • Out of the two FICVs developed, one will be selected for mass-production .
  • With BMP2 upgradation this is a win win for pvt sector in our MIC


Further additions,
Tata SED is no more competitor. Whole Tata industry is working one this project , lead by tata motors ( to extend/show their current market footprint).
Tata is alreay working on a similar project ( forget the name) with drdo. VK sarastwa ( former drdo chief and current NITI Ayog member) clearly come out in favour of Tata's project ( as he says that it would be waste of money and time, as we already have a very good working model).
Because of global footprint and access to key state -of-art techs, Tata already have edge in this project. Tata head Mistry already took presentation on this project ( shows his interest).
This leave other contenders nothing but to shake hands to each other to reduce cost, shares tech and check the influence of Tatas.
 
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Further additions,

Sir can you highlight what further additions .. You mean u added few things in that.. Then request you to bold them so we all can understand
 
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