Taseer assassination raises spectre of N-heist in Pak

[Rafi]

I think i have given you enough explanation on why the concern is not figment of Imagination...It is better if we talk on that....As far as gandhi is concerned then you are comparing an incident of 6 decades ago right when Hindu-Muslim divide had devastated the country and resulted in division of country...Many indian's believed that it was Gandhi who being soft with Muslims did not stop the division with Iron hand....Having said that whosoever supports killing of Gandhi is definitely a fanatic...That said there is a big difference between then India and today's Pakistan...it is that difference which is making west nervous not just the incident...This incident is just a symptom of the diesease which is spreading in the name of Radical islam...

Yeah but you got that swami guy confessing to bombing the Samjota Express and Mosques, then you have the Naxalites who are left wing extremists, and the west is nervous of radical Islam because it is a threat to them, just 1 generation previously they were giving them tours of the White House, who knows in the coming decades if they are used once more by the west.

 

[Rafi]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/86415-pandit-godse-patriot.html

Many of your fellow indians describe the killer of Gandhi as a patriot.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

the police is not the Army and the Army is not the police


there's a difference between safeguarding VIPs and safeguarding nukes.

I can understand why reports like these come out --they have been for some time. I can understand especially now, and it was only inevitable that hindustani media would harp on such things as anything related to Pakistan gets first priority there.


however, they are unfounded concerns. Pakistan's nuclear safety record is, Alhamdolillah, 100% flawless.

 

[Dazzler]

The reaction of Indian member on such issues as Pakistan is going to be destabilized soon, fanatics and loons taking over nukes, is just over whelming. For their reminder, do they know how much of the whole India is actually under their Government's writ? No offense to any one but Indian army is so far unable to handle The Nexel Regime properly the police is not even in the equation. This is the real face of Indian nationality which is never exposed by their media. They are facing at least 18 indigenous rebel movements of which, 10 are of extreme nature. Sikh dream of Khalistan is still alive and can emerge at any given time but they never talk about it. India is not heaven and neither is Pakistan but Pakistan has shown great resilience through testing times for the last 10 years and continues to do so. I request Indian members to look at their national security first before pouncing on any minor or major issue occurring in Pakistan.

Regards

 

[deckingraj]

Since we are going in circles this will be my last post on this subject..

Yeah but you got that swami guy confessing to bombing the Samjota Express and Mosques, then you have the Naxalites who are left wing extremists, and the west is nervous of radical Islam because it is a threat to them, just 1 generation previously they were giving them tours of the White House, who knows in the coming decades if they are used once more by the west.

I am saying it for the nth time that it is not India who has raised the concern...The concern has been raised by west...and giving them tours of white house has nothing to do with the fact that radical islam is on the rise in Pakistan....Swami Guy confession will not oblivate the fact either...So once again the concern is not figment of imagination....It has truth in it...

 

[deckingraj]

the police is not the Army and the Army is not the police


there's a difference between safeguarding VIPs and safeguarding nukes.

I can understand why reports like these come out --they have been for some time. I can understand especially now, and it was only inevitable that hindustani media would harp on such things as anything related to Pakistan gets first priority there.


however, they are unfounded concerns. Pakistan's nuclear safety record is, Alhamdolillah, 100% flawless.

If i understood it properly than the concern is not about killing Mr. Taseer....A security guard can kill a VIP out or personal grudge and not one can do heck about it.....Concern is more about radical Islam and its deep roots in Pakistan.... I hope you can see the difference....

 

[deckingraj]

The reaction of Indian member on such issues as Pakistan is going to be destabilized soon, fanatics and loons taking over nukes, is just over whelming. For their reminder, do they know how much of the whole India is actually under their Government's writ? No offense to any one but Indian army is so far unable to handle The Nexel Regime properly the police is not even in the equation. This is the real face of Indian nationality which is never exposed by their media. They are facing at least 18 indigenous rebel movements of which, 10 are of extreme nature. Sikh dream of Khalistan is still alive and can emerge at any given time but they never talk about it. India is not heaven and neither is Pakistan but Pakistan has shown great resilience through testing times for the last 10 years and continues to do so. I request Indian members to look at their national security first before pouncing on any minor or major issue occurring in Pakistan.

Regards

I am not sure what you mean about writ of the govt. but so far we have been doing good....Rebel movements and their strengths are very subjective discussion because i can simply say that PA has lost control of Pakistan because TTP is bombing every corner at their will but then i know it is not correct....Same is true for Sikh dream of Khalistan..It is a dead issue and trust me the very curious Indian media will not shy away from airing something like that.....

The crux of the issue here is not the killing but the support it is getting...This is something to be introspected...The concern of west is genuine....

 

[Rafi]

Yeah but the Special Branch and the ISI had a file on this joker and warned the Punjab Police not to give him Elite Force training, that shows that the system worked the guy was flagged, this will ensure who ever let him become a part of VIP security he is gonna get crucified, and how many indian leaders have been assassinated. You had that bjp mp murdered recently - with a knife so security lapses happen everywhere.

Also the nukes have PAL technology with embedded codes, this prevents unauthorised use, also you have personnel reliability checks in the military, so don't worry, our nuclear arsenal is probably safer than yours.

 

[Safriz]

(Times of india reports)

The assassination of Pakistani Punjab's governor Salman Taseer this week by an elite bodyguard infused with extremist views has raised alarm in Washington over the safety of the country's nuclear arsenal, with fears that similar select personnel guarding it may be open to subversion by fundamentalists.



As if some one will enter the Kahota open the door and pick the Atom bomb and then throw it on the americans.

Many of Pakitan's Nuclear installations are "faked"..There is a fake Kahoota Lab and there is a real Kahoota Lab...A random angry terrorist wont know which one is which..

 

[Rafi]

PA has actually regained control - and in the coming years you will see the threat coming down, just over 1,200 people died in extremist violence in 2010. In the same time over a thousand died in Naxalite violence.

Last year more than 1,000 people were killed in Naxalite areas, many of them civilians.
Baderna freely admits that he and Latta took part in the planting of roadside bombs that killed scores of policemen.

There's nothing to suggest that Baderna and Latta are anything but a normal Indian couple.
Polite and dressed neatly they talk endearingly to their lively five year-old daughter, who sits contentedly on her father's lap.
But both are former communist, or Naxalite insurgents, who admit to taking part in the killing of at least 42 policemen

BBC News - Today - Naxalite confessions

 

[deckingraj]

Yeah but the Special Branch and the ISI had a file on this joker and warned the Punjab Police not to give him Elite Force training, that shows that the system worked the guy was flagged, this will ensure who ever let him become a part of VIP security he is gonna get crucified, and how many indian leaders have been assassinated. You had that bjp mp murdered recently - with a knife so security lapses happen everywhere.

Also the nukes have PAL technology with embedded codes, this prevents unauthorised use, also you have personnel reliability checks in the military, so don't worry, our nuclear arsenal is probably safer than yours.

Rafi...either you are not listening or you don't want to....I have repeatedly said killing is not the issue...Any security guard can kill his/her boss out of personal grudge and no one can do heck about it...The issue is the support for radical Islam....it is highly unlikely that nukes will fall in wrong hands but the concern is not misplaced....Rest your nukes being safer than ours then world perception is different and that's what matters....I have heard a lot about safety of your nukes but not ours...

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

If i understood it properly than the concern is not about killing Mr. Taseer....A security guard can kill a VIP out or personal grudge and not one can do heck about it.....Concern is more about radical Islam and its deep roots in Pakistan.... I hope you can see the difference....

I think you need to re-understand some things. go back and re-read what was written then come back

 

[Dazzler]

I am not sure what you mean about writ of the govt. but so far we have been doing good....Rebel movements and their strengths are very subjective discussion because i can simply say that PA has lost control of Pakistan because TTP is bombing every corner at their will but then i know it is not correct....Same is true for Sikh dream of Khalistan..It is a dead issue and trust me the very curious Indian media will not shy away from airing something like that.....

The crux of the issue here is not the killing but the support it is getting...This is something to be introspected...The concern of west is genuine....

Which world u live in Mr? I live in Karachi and know more than you and likes of you Arm Chair Generals will ever know. Everything is in routine here and exactly the opposite what is potrayed in media. Talibans bombing every corner?? Dont watch your news channels too much or they will get on your head like bolly wood. As far as west is concerned, they have just one concern, No Islamic country should have nuclear capability and this is a reality. Ever wonder why Pakistani nuke was called Islamic Bomb? Why Indian one was never called HINDU bomb? This has been the case for last few decades and goes well along their dream of new world order. Anyway, word of advice for you and your contemporaries, open your eyes and see the reality instead of getting sucked up by your hyped media.

Peace

 

[Dazzler]

Rafi...either you are not listening or you don't want to....I have repeatedly said killing is not the issue...Any security guard can kill his/her boss out of personal grudge and no one can do heck about it...The issue is the support for radical Islam....it is highly unlikely that nukes will fall in wrong hands but the concern is not misplaced....Rest your nukes being safer than ours then world perception is different and that's what matters....I have heard a lot about safety of your nukes but not ours...

As a student of Islam and mutual respect among other religions, I take offense of the word "Radical Islam". If you are able to define it than we can argue but you or anyone has no right to define my religion when you do not know the dynamics of it. Also, what do you folks think a nuke is anyway? Is it a hand grenade that some idiot got hold of and threw at a foot path or monument? Get a life man! Pakistan's nuke program is more secure than that of India, Russia and few others when it comes to security. This is why, there has never been a single news piece of nuclear theft because West knows, its as safe as it gets.