Targeting Pakistan in International Arena....

[illusion8]

Bring it on India - we will expose your role in destabilizing Pakistan and there are enough finger prints for India to receive spanks globally.

• MQM has visible terrorist links with India
• Support of BLA has been accepted by India in Sharm al Sheikh
• TTP and other abandoned organizations have been found using Indian munition - times and again

You bring us on the table, we put your head on the desk and guess who's going to gain out of this exercise

You lose before you start - let me tell you why no one globally will give a rats *** about you "exposing".

1. AQ - OBL, IS, HUT.
2. Haqqani network - operating in Afghanistan against Afghan forces and foreign interests.
3. ETIM - the Uighur movement operating in China.
4. Jundullah / LEJ - operating against Shia / Iran.
5. LET, JEM, HUM etc - operating against India.
6. Afghan Taliban - operating and destabilizing Afghanistan and attacking foreign interests in Afghanistan.
7. Various Uzbek and Chechen militants.

against..

1. MQM - political party in karachi.
2. TTP - Pakistani taliban - taliban faction went rogue and attacking it's master.
3. BLA / BLM - Liberation movements in Baluchistan.

Can you see the difference in the two groups - the first group are internationally designated terror organizations which are based out of or operating out of or located in Pakistan...

The second one aren't designated terrorist groups located locally attacking locally funded, manned locally and having local ambitions.

Does the world give a rats *** about what happens inside Pakistan? yes - only to the extent when it does not affect the world terror, jihad scenario - and that's happening in plenty..Remember in the early 2000's before Syria and Iraq happened when every potential jihadi headed to Pakistan for militancy training?, and when most of the world's terrorist attacks had some connections going back to Pakistan - which is true even now for attacks happening in Afghanistan, India or Iran? That's when the world took notice. But does the world care for the terrorist attacks inside Pakistan? not by a long shot.

So, all your fake diplomatic offensive is just a waste of your meager resources and the end result will be a big fat zero.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Good, good to see you getting your senses back. You denied employing military hardware and now you are just enlightened and discovered their usage. Good - good and stay in senses.

What about Tanks in Kashmir, are they too used to evacuate injured?

lol Didn't you know India deployed Tanks against PAK in the world highest battlefield , after seeing tank they ran away?

India has Tank armoured Regiment in Kashmir and also in NE , both are mountains regions. These tanks for PA and Chinese armies lol , your height of imaginations, India deployed Missiles in J&K , by your logic India also firing Agni missiles on terrorist ?

Have you ever get NEWS , IAF firing / bombing Missiles on Terrorist ?

I wouldn't quote you after saying your opinion is not credible. You want to see what Indian forces are using agaist Indian? Go through that now.

"in the year 2000, a decision was taken to employ helicopter gunships of the Indian Air Force (IAF) in the battle against militants and terrorists who had infiltrated into the Kashmir Valley. Two Mi-35 attack helicopters were moved to a Forward Area Refuelling and Rearming Point (FARRP) for this mission"
Source: Air Power against the Maoists » Indian Defence Review

it's now clear that the Home Ministry wants to use aircraft, helicopter gunships and unmanned planes to cover for troops. To prevent large scale loss of life it plans to use more transport aircrafts for the mobility of troops against the Naxals.


Sources say the Home Ministry wants another look at its old proposal, which asked for a mandate to use air power if needed - a demand turned down at the highest levels of government.
War on Naxals: Govt has new strategy, divided views

So the military was desperate to use air-power but political government denied it against Nexals yet in Kashmir, they are using it.

I gigged for 5 minutes and multiple sources are pouring up with details. I wonder if you don't' make your research before making opinions here at PDF.

So isn't their difference between Transportation 2 MI-35 and Bombing using Sq F-16 ?

MI-35 is only used for quick transport of troops in mountain regions in both reasons.

Its police force / paramilitary engaged in Anti -Naxels operation and NOT IA, proposal is rejected by Indian Army. get the correct fact

 

[Abingdonboy]

Pakistan does need to be made to pay for its indiscretions and doing so on the global stage would be far more ideal then military posturing. Hit them where it hurts- the pocket, maybe only then will the generals start to see sense, when it is hurting their personal interests.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Many Pakistani military officers and politicians have acknowledged the truth, that Pakistan has covertly supported terrorism in India.

One cannot simply turn a blind eye towards the terrorist infiltrations in Kashmir, attack on Indian parliament etc.

I am not demanding you and other Indians to justify the support of all elements that have fought us in the past in East Pakistan and now in Balochistan, Karachi and Pakhtun khawa. it is not a morality debate here I fully understand how the covert world of subversion works.
your RAW is expertly backup and supported by your diplomatic staff and media outlets both within India and those inside Pakistan who directly or indirectly are financially encouraged to influence the public opinion and keep the heat on Pakistan and keep the eyes of the world away from India's own operations against Pakistan.

since 16 Dec-14 massacre it was the meeting of Pakistani General and ISI chief with NATO and Afghan authorities that sprang them into action resulting in the closure of some of the Indian so called conciliates in Kunar and Nooristan. (A fact which has caused a lot of dismay among Indians recalling the golden times of Kerzai) and destruction of TTP camps inside Afghanistan. as the time has passed the Indians, BLA and TTP has recovered from the shock of North Waziristan operations and the operations inside Balochistan and there is a drive once again to shout out loud against Pakistan and in the meantime reboot the operations of BLA and other anti Pakistan proxies to keep pressure on Pakistan.

Nothing new for us and we will deal with it. the message is passed to Indians quietly to back off now because like us you also have vulnerabilities (not necessarily those that are discussed by your armchair experts on PDF/ Youtube and NDTV) but others that your Bharat Sarkar would preffer not to discuss in the public domain and your Sarkar has been told very frankly recently that those vulnerabilities will be exploited as a token of good will for all your efforts in Karachi, KPK and Balochistan.

 

[xyxmt]

thats why they they left you and then give AIDS to feed yourself.
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I would have answered had it made any sense

 

[OrionHunter]

while their proxies will speed up their attacks against the state and the civilians, the Indians will drum up the noise against Pakistan especially since the Kashmiris have once again started to protest against Indian oppression in Sri Nagar.

Irfan bhai! You my friend have got your facts wrong! It's NOT the Kashmiris who are protesting, but the Pakistan controlled Hurriyat with their wonky band of yahoos who don't even number a couple of thousand! The population of J&K? 11 million!! 70% of this 11 million voted in the democratic elections held in J&K recently except the Pakistani Hurriyat, in spite of their threats to the Kashmiris to boycott the elections! No one cared a fuk for them and their threats, and went out to vote in droves!

So.....the bottom line is....

 

[SrNair]

I am not demanding you and other Indians to justify the support of all elements that have fought us in the past in East Pakistan and now in Balochistan, Karachi and Pakhtun khawa. it is not a morality debate here I fully understand how the covert world of subversion works.
your RAW is expertly backup and supported by your diplomatic staff and media outlets both within India and those inside Pakistan who directly or indirectly are financially encouraged to influence the public opinion and keep the heat on Pakistan and keep the eyes of the world away from India's own operations against Pakistan.

since 16 Dec-14 massacre it was the meeting of Pakistani General and ISI chief with NATO and Afghan authorities that sprang them into action resulting in the closure of some of the Indian so called conciliates in Kunar and Nooristan. (A fact which has caused a lot of dismay among Indians recalling the golden times of Kerzai) and destruction of TTP camps inside Afghanistan. as the time has passed the Indians, BLA and TTP has recovered from the shock of North Waziristan operations and the operations inside Balochistan and there is a drive once again to shout out loud against Pakistan and in the meantime reboot the operations of BLA and other anti Pakistan proxies to keep pressure on Pakistan.

Nothing new for us and we will deal with it. the message is passed to Indians quietly to back off now because like us you also have vulnerabilities (not necessarily those that are discussed by your armchair experts on PDF/ Youtube and NDTV) but others that your Bharat Sarkar would preffer not to discuss in the public domain and your Sarkar has been told very frankly recently that those vulnerabilities will be exploited as a token of good will for all your efforts in Karachi, KPK and Balochistan.

Yes we have vulnerbilities.But then again the world is changed.You can see some videos of speeches of our NSA in internet .He also acknowledged that we have vulnerbilities but then again he said that Pakistan vulnerbilities are several times higher than us.
Then he said if Pakistan attempts for another 26/11 they will lose the Balochistan.
Now we both can agree that he is a decorated officer with huge experience in his field .(Around 7 years inside the Pakistan with fake identity ).

Pakistan can do ops against us .But then again the fighting against us will bleed Pakistan severly .Because we have back up of diplomatic ,economic and resources back up.Several times better than you.
You cant compete other nation that is not only bigger than yours but also expert in certain fields like yours.

I can say Pakistan still didnt get a solid evidence against us .
Because if you have that much of evidence against us you would have been surely go to UN ,diplomatic missions and other international platforms to embarrass us.

But we had better evidence for stuffs like that especially 26/11,Kabul embassy bombing etc.


On topic :If India intends for some thing like that they have solid evidence .Period.

 

[coffee_cup]

India to target Pak over its dubious record on terror funding

After raising the issue of terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba’s operations chief Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi’s release with the United Nations, India is now going to target Pakistan on its dubious record on terror funding at another multilateral forum, the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on money laundering, sources told HT.

India and Pakistan are both members of the Asia/Pacific Group (APG) on money laundering which is an affiliated body of the FATF.

“After amending its laws to strictly deal with money laundering and terror financing, Pakistan has become a compliant member of the group but on ground the reality is different. It has not taken any action against globally designated terrorists like Hafiz Mohammad Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim or put a freeze on their assets. It has provided free sanctuary and financial freedom to these terrorists and that’s what we are going to highlight when the FATF plenary takes place in Australia’s Brisbane next month,” said a senior government functionary associated with the exercise.

The official added that evidence of Pakistan’s role in funding terror in India is being gathered and it will be presented before the FATF’s International Cooperation Review Group (ICRG) that analyses high-risk countries and recommend actions to address the money laundering or terror financing risks emanating from them.
Central Intelligence agencies, investigation agencies and state police have been asked to provide details of Pakistan’s complicity in financing terror in India, said sources.

The FATF was established in 1989 as an inter-governmental body with the objective of setting standards and promote effective implementation of legal, regulatory and operational measures for combating money laundering and terrorist financing.

According to government sources, the coming FATF plenary will also focus on activities of Islamic State (IS) which has emerged as global terror threat.

Typical example of " Chor Machaye Shor" (Thief shouting out loud and crying about a theft).

Unbelievable, these indians! No wonder, the world doesn't take the "Dehati Aurat" seriously anymore.

 

[OrionHunter]

Typical example of " Chor Machaye Shor" (Thief shouting out loud and crying about a theft).

Unbelievable, these indians! No wonder, the world doesn't take the "Dehati Aurat" seriously anymore.

Your posts are becoming so laughable, they've started choking me!

So, how seriously does the world take you?

Secondly, you said, "Chor Machaye Shor" (Thief shouting out loud and crying about a theft). Well, that's exactly what you guys are doing - shouting yourselves hoarse from the rooftops about Indian (RAW) involvement in Pakistan without any evidence whatsoever!!

Hmmmm....You just shoved your foot in your mouth!! Jeeez!

 

[coffee_cup]

Your posts are becoming so laughable, they've started choking me!

So, how seriously does the world take you?

Secondly, you said, "Chor Machaye Shor" (Thief shouting out loud and crying about a theft). Well, that's exactly what you guys are doing - shouting yourselves hoarse from the rooftops about Indian (RAW) involvement in Pakistan without any evidence whatsoever!!

Hmmmm....You just shoved your foot in your mouth!! Jeeez!

What?

Are you saying there is no evidence that india (RAW) has trained, armed, sponsored LTTE, Mukti Bahini to spread cross-border terrorism in the neighboring countries?

Keep denying and let the world laugh at you when you go there crying like a little girl to complain about neighbors.

 

[OrionHunter]

What?

Are you saying there is no evidence that india (RAW) has trained, armed, sponsored LTTE, Mukti Bahini to spread cross-border terrorism in the neighboring countries?

Keep denying and let the world laugh at you when you go there crying like a little girl to complain about neighbors.

Are we talking about terrorism in Pakistan allegedly sponsored by India, or terrorism on Mars? Stay on topic and don't obfuscate the issue.

The bottom line is that you guys have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER OF INDIAN INVOLVEMENT IN PAKISTAN! PERIOD!

 

[coffee_cup]

Are we talking about terrorism in Pakistan allegedly sponsored by India, or terrorism on Mars? Stay on topic and don't obfuscate the issue.

The bottom line is that you guys have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER OF INDIAN INVOLVEMENT IN PAKISTAN! PERIOD!

See this is what I am saying. "Chor Machaye Shor", india, a country who has a loooooong history of spreading cross-border terrorism in neighborhood, is complainging about cross-border terrorism.

Keep entertaining the world,

 

[Spring Onion]

Ahhhhh Gwadar port started sending shipments

Pakistan does need to be made to pay for its indiscretions and doing so on the global stage would be far more ideal then military posturing. Hit them where it hurts- the pocket, maybe only then will the generals start to see sense, when it is hurting their personal interests.

you forgot to remember big power/s interests. If thy stop protecting their trust me our Generals would love to have a sigh and focus on only Indian Occupied Kashmir . Our generals are not in love with any indiscretions viz a viz global stage

 

[nForce]

I am not demanding you and other Indians to justify the support of all elements that have fought us in the past in East Pakistan and now in Balochistan, Karachi and Pakhtun khawa. it is not a morality debate here I fully understand how the covert world of subversion works.
your RAW is expertly backup and supported by your diplomatic staff and media outlets both within India and those inside Pakistan who directly or indirectly are financially encouraged to influence the public opinion and keep the heat on Pakistan and keep the eyes of the world away from India's own operations against Pakistan.

since 16 Dec-14 massacre it was the meeting of Pakistani General and ISI chief with NATO and Afghan authorities that sprang them into action resulting in the closure of some of the Indian so called conciliates in Kunar and Nooristan. (A fact which has caused a lot of dismay among Indians recalling the golden times of Kerzai) and destruction of TTP camps inside Afghanistan. as the time has passed the Indians, BLA and TTP has recovered from the shock of North Waziristan operations and the operations inside Balochistan and there is a drive once again to shout out loud against Pakistan and in the meantime reboot the operations of BLA and other anti Pakistan proxies to keep pressure on Pakistan.

Nothing new for us and we will deal with it. the message is passed to Indians quietly to back off now because like us you also have vulnerabilities (not necessarily those that are discussed by your armchair experts on PDF/ Youtube and NDTV) but others that your Bharat Sarkar would preffer not to discuss in the public domain and your Sarkar has been told very frankly recently that those vulnerabilities will be exploited as a token of good will for all your efforts in Karachi, KPK and Balochistan.

Who is justifying anything here ? Pakistan needs to bring tangible proof first. Conspiracy theories and counter-accusations are not going to help Pakistan, it may keep the local population under the much needed delusion.

But do keep in mind that accusing India for anything and everything happening in Pakistan is only going to keep the pressure off for time being. These are only short-term, time buying activities. The pressure will blow off the lid unless Pakistan can manage enough courage to take a pragmatic look at its core issues.

To identify a problem is the first step of resolving a problem. If one is not even willing to identify his own problem and blames others for that, then the problem will only go on increasing, creating trouble for everybody.

 

[desimorty]

I wouldn't quote you after saying your opinion is not credible. You want to see what Indian forces are using agaist Indian? Go through that now.

"in the year 2000, a decision was taken to employ helicopter gunships of the Indian Air Force (IAF) in the battle against militants and terrorists who had infiltrated into the Kashmir Valley. Two Mi-35 attack helicopters were moved to a Forward Area Refuelling and Rearming Point (FARRP) for this mission"
Source: Air Power against the Maoists » Indian Defence Review

it's now clear that the Home Ministry wants to use aircraft, helicopter gunships and unmanned planes to cover for troops. To prevent large scale loss of life it plans to use more transport aircrafts for the mobility of troops against the Naxals.

Sources say the Home Ministry wants another look at its old proposal, which asked for a mandate to use air power if needed - a demand turned down at the highest levels of government.
War on Naxals: Govt has new strategy, divided views

So the military was desperate to use air-power but political government denied it against Nexals yet in Kashmir, they are using it.
I gigged for 5 minutes and multiple sources are pouring up with details. I wonder if you don't' make your research before making opinions here at PDF.

Those gunships where never used for the purpose you quoted. They made an appearance most likely used on the border not in Indian Kashmir.
As far as the Naxalites are concerned the Indian army has said it before, the issue is law and order so therefore they do not fight Naxalites but have trained the CRPF on behalf of the GOI to fight them. And on multiple occasions refused GOI requests to use air power other than transport.
But you really sidelining and cherry picking 1 offs compared to what you really have in Pakistan. I haven't read any source claiming Mi-35 have killed terrorists. Infact anotherfact , the IA uses Dhruvs now and they use these to transport troops, and I suspect the Mi-35 was used for the same purpose.
Simply put you don't have credible evidence to say India uses heavy equipment or artty against terrorists. They perform COIN. Unlike Pakistan which says the do COIN but its LIC whichc is why millions have been dislocated.