TAPI Natural Gas Pipeline Project to be Launched in 2021

[SD 10]

This project benefits taliban i wish Pakistan abandons this project. Pakistan should should import gas from Iran

why Iran though?

 

[Sayfullah]

Do you think the Afghan part of the route will finish on schedule given the current security and political environment there?

They will get $500 million yearly in transit fees. Taliban have already expressed willingness to complete this project asap

This project benefits taliban i wish Pakistan abandons this project. Pakistan should should import gas from Iran

Turkmenistan is offering us gas at a cheaper rate then Iran. The rate at which Iran is offering us gas, we’re better off buying from others. Iran is sanctioned as well. Also this pipeline will give revenue of Pakistan $250 million a year in transit fees from india.

 

[925boy]

TAPI Pipeline makes no sense for Pakistan IMO.

Pakistan's best and most reliable option is to do the IP pipeline from Iran to Pakistan, and onto China's border. It will also happen, only question is probably when and how. Once US sanctions threat eases up, CHina will ask Pakistan to complete IP pipeline.

The rate at which Iran is offering us gas, we’re better off buying from others.

this is the logic that got your country in deep energy trouble. if u dunno what im talking about , that means you never will. GL

why Iran though?

proximity, price and stability. Iran is RIGHT NEXT door, so it'll be a more effective, and cheaper pipeline.

THERE WILL BE NO LIVE WORKING TAPI pipeline btw, WHY?????? Afghanistan is the achilles heel- that gas pipeline going through Afghanistan will not be stable, and def wont be stable in the long run. reality over dreams.

 

[TheSolution]

Do you think the Afghan part of the route will finish on schedule given the current security and political environment there?

If Taliban allow it then of course.

 

[Sayfullah]

Iranian trolls started infesting this thread like all the other threads.
Cope pajeet 2.0’s

 

[925boy]

Because importing from Iran doesn't benefit Taliban

because??/ this is weird assertion.

Iranian trolls started infesting this thread like all the other threads.
Cope pajeet 2.0’s

why call us trolls instead of arguing the point?

u have no counter thats why you've started ad hominems instead of staying on topic.

Pakistan should should import gas from Iran

You're practical and fully considering the realistic context. Iran is ready, CHina and IRan can help Pakistan overcome US threats or sanctions.

 

[Sayfullah]

Because importing from Iran doesn't benefit Taliban

But it will benefit the snake Iran.
TAPI pipeline is a major source of revenue to both Pakistan and Afghanistan, and provides cheaper gas then what Iran or anyone else offered us

TAPI Pipeline makes no sense for Pakistan IMO.

$250 million a year from india to us in transit fees make sense

Pakistan's best and most reliable option is to do the IP pipeline from Iran to Pakistan, and onto China's border. It will also happen, only question is probably when and how. Once US sanctions threat eases up, CHina will ask Pakistan to complete IP pipeline.

Tell Iranians to offer us a cheaper rate then Turkmenistan

this is the logic that got your country in deep energy trouble. if u dunno what im talking about , that means you never will. GL

Trouble is buying from a snake who offers us a higher price and missing out on $250 million a year in transit fees

why call us trolls instead of arguing the point?

u have no counter thats why you've started ad hominems instead of staying on topic.

Pajeet 2.0, I’ve said what I need to say. You just can’t read. What I said you haven’t countered. Your just ranting so cope Iranian pajeet

 

[Sayfullah]

What benefit does iran give us over TAPI?
- TAPI is cheaper gas
- TAPI will give us $250 million in revenue
- TAPI will give us a bit more leverage over India
- TAPI will ensure afghans have good relations with us (they wouldn’t ever sacrifice $500 million a year in revenue)
-Turkmenistan doesn’t hold hostile views to Gwadar or support terrorists in Pakistan
- TAPI will cement the relations between Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan
-Turkmenistan isn’t sanctioned
- Our gas suppliers will be more diverse. We’re working on a gas pipeline with Kazakhstan for gas too while we signed long term agreements with Qatar for gas.
- Afghanistan needs TAPI for their gas needs so they won’t act like retards on it

TAPI gives us more benefits then Iran does

 

[Tshering22]

Was wondering what happened to this project. TAPI is definitely ambitious, given the geopolitical jugglery in the region even back when things were more stable. Turkmenistan is definitely keen to get this going, but a roadblock is their refusal of the condition that the customers would pay only for the gas that comes out at the end, & not for what they allocated.

Even if this prompts peace in the region among all countries (to a point that there are no attacks), there is no guarantee that the pipelines would be safe from random gun-totting groups in some parts among the transiting countries. More time, energy & cost would be spent on ensuring the supply of allocated gas quotas to avoid payment issues, than actually utilizing the gas for something good, driving the end-user prices up further.

 

[925boy]

What benefit does iran give us over TAPI?
- TAPI is cheaper gas

thats on paper, and not in reality, after the gas pipeline is inaugurated and starts to operate as expected. real cost is during or after real biz, not b4, in proposal stage, you just like TUrkmenistan like a fetish- they dont even have ALOT of gas like Iran.

- TAPI will give us $250 million in revenue

IPI can give you the same and more

- TAPI will give us a bit more leverage over India

IPI will do same.

- TAPI will ensure afghans have good relations with us (they wouldn’t ever sacrifice $500 million a year in revenue)

do you mean Afghans or Taliban? now that your country has destroyed relations with Taliban it needs blackmail as a tool to control Taliban? ur funny and ridiculous.

-Turkmenistan doesn’t hold hostile views to Gwadar or support terrorists in Pakistan

what does this have to do with getting gas? Iran wants Gwadar to succeed, thats a fact, its not even competition for Iran in all seriousness, Iran is happy for Pakistan to have Gwadar operating well. As for terrorists, lets not go there, your hand gets stained quickly too once we enter that topic. cant you compartmentalize business from politics? emotional man!

- TAPI will cement the relations between Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan

LOL, no it wont, your relations with Taliban wont recalcify just cuz of TAPI, IS THIS YOUR real WISH LIST THO????

-Turkmenistan isn’t sanctioned

only people not ready for real biz, or hiding their sectarianist hearts focus on this. Even Pakistan is sanctioned now, cant get weapons from US, dont be a hypocrite.

- Our gas suppliers will be more diverse. We’re working on a gas pipeline with Kazakhstan for gas too while we signed long term agreements with Qatar for gas.

ha ha ...diverse but none from Iran or TUrkmenistan yet? like i said already, this is just YOUR WISH LIST.

 

[farok84]

You're practical and fully considering the realistic context. Iran is ready, CHina and IRan can help Pakistan overcome US threats or sanctions.

Hi,

Has China shown interest in building the pipeline and also importing Iranian gas through it. If you have any reference to such, kindly share.

TAPI will give us $250 million in revenue

Hi,

We also hold 5% share, which will allow us to offset transit fee paid to Afghanistan by Pakistan and earn some more. At current signed GSPA, we should be earning more than $600m (when Brent is at $100/b), at 33bcm/y output.


TAPI, IP and all other pipelines can coexists, as long as Iran or China finance Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline and Pakistani contractors (FWO or Descon) lay it. A standalone I-P to cater Pakistan's needs have lost all its charm for Pakistan.

 

[Sayfullah]

thats on paper, and not in reality, after the gas pipeline is inaugurated and starts to operate as expected. real cost is during or after real biz, not b4, in proposal stage, you just like TUrkmenistan like a fetish- they dont even have ALOT of gas like Iran.

IPI can give you the same and more

IPI will do same.

do you mean Afghans or Taliban? now that your country has destroyed relations with Taliban it needs blackmail as a tool to control Taliban? ur funny and ridiculous.

what does this have to do with getting gas? Iran wants Gwadar to succeed, thats a fact, its not even competition for Iran in all seriousness, Iran is happy for Pakistan to have Gwadar operating well. As for terrorists, lets not go there, your hand gets stained quickly too once we enter that topic. cant you compartmentalize business from politics? emotional man!

LOL, no it wont, your relations with Taliban wont recalcify just cuz of TAPI, IS THIS YOUR real WISH LIST THO????

only people not ready for real biz, or hiding their sectarianist hearts focus on this. Even Pakistan is sanctioned now, cant get weapons from US, dont be a hypocrite.

ha ha ...diverse but none from Iran or TUrkmenistan yet? like i said already, this is just YOUR WISH LIST.

You denied all the facts I said and are just saying your opinion. I didn’t ask for your opinion, if you have facts which prove me wrong then please do otherwise keep your delusional views to your self

Hi,

Has China shown interest in building the pipeline and also importing Iranian gas through it. If you have any reference to such, kindly share.



Hi,

We also hold 5% share, which will allow us to offset transit fee paid to Afghanistan by Pakistan and earn some more. At current signed GSPA, we should be earning more than $600m (when Brent is at $100/b), at 33bcm/y output.


TAPI, IP and all other pipelines can coexists, as long as Iran or China finance Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline and Pakistani contractors (FWO or Descon) lay it. A standalone I-P to cater Pakistan's needs have lost all its charm for Pakistan.

As of right now, TAPI is the most beneficial gas pipeline deal for us. Other pipelines can co exist but as of right now a gas pipeline solely between Pakistan and Iran isn’t feasible and as of right now even india backed away from it and China hasn’t shown interest in it at the level we need to see.
TAPI will provide us cheap gas and will be a steady source of revenue for us so it’s much more beneficial at the moment.
Afghanistan and Taliban want TAPI to be up and running the most. Their ready to provide every sort of security to it because Afghanistan will be getting $500 million a year in transit fees.
As you mentioned we should be earning $600 million a year on it while it will only cost us $250 million payed for Afghanistan in transit fees. So we will be making a large amount of this gas pipeline. Every dollar saved can be used for other things.

 

[Sayfullah]

Hi,

Has China shown interest in building the pipeline and also importing Iranian gas through it. If you have any reference to such, kindly share.



Hi,

We also hold 5% share, which will allow us to offset transit fee paid to Afghanistan by Pakistan and earn some more. At current signed GSPA, we should be earning more than $600m (when Brent is at $100/b), at 33bcm/y output.


TAPI, IP and all other pipelines can coexists, as long as Iran or China finance Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline and Pakistani contractors (FWO or Descon) lay it. A standalone I-P to cater Pakistan's needs have lost all its charm for Pakistan.

Btw I was wondering, is it possible we can extend the pipeline to say Karachi or Gwadar and Turkmenistan exports their gas as lng to the world via our ports and we charge a royalty on it? It could give us billions in revenue and increase our forex.

 

[farok84]

Btw I was wondering, is it possible we can extend the pipeline to say Karachi or Gwadar and Turkmenistan exports their gas as lng to the world via our ports and we charge a royalty on it? It could give us billions in revenue and increase our forex.

Hi,

I have been saying this for few months now, in this and other threads.

Pakistan needs to look beyond oil/ gas imports. Our economy can't sustain it, even with generous subsidies from our Gulf brothers (KSA, UAE, Qatar). Our future prosperity is in becoming transit hub not only for China's energy needs, but also by providing access to unexplored markets for Central Asian Oil/ Gas, by becoming the center for Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan's Oil/ Gas (Lng) exports to markets in South Asia (Bangladesh), Southeast Asia (Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore), North Asia (Japan, South Korea) and Europe. I hope Planning and Petroleum Divisions have started working on these lines and have drawn up some solid proposals.

For Pakistan's economic interest, TAPI should be connected to PSGP and excess gas that was to be supplied to India, should be sold to other markets as Lng via an export Lng terminal at Karachi operated by TurkmenGas.

The idea for the Türkmengaz operated Lng export terminal (via Pakistan) stems from the will to bypass that third country (India) and her tantrums, by providing Turkmenistan opportunity (and means) to sell India's to be volumes to international markets, other than China. And in the process eliminating any financial backlash for Türkmengaz , not only securing it, gas sales but also future upstream investments and production enhancement opportunities, for Afghanistan, the transit fees and for Pakistan, not meagre transit fees nor subsidized gas, but being a reliable transit hub for Central Asian energy export to the world, are the prized jewels.


There are emerging markets other than China and Europe to explore. Like Bangladesh, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam and then are the ever energy starved consumers like Japan and South Korea. Türkmengaz can become a balancing player in Spot Lng market.

If you go through Pak-Russia recent discussions on PSGP, and Pakistan's successful inclusion of a tie in point (in PSGP's design) with TAPI and Russia's insistence on Pakistan for not offloading it's (74%) shares to a third party (CNPC), can present a curtailed view of Pakistan's canvas as a whole, for PSGP, TAPI and Central Asia-Afghanistan-Pakistan Transit Corridor and it's subsequent linkage to CPEC and BRI.

TAPI minus "I" will be much more beneficial to us. We must offer Türkmengaz (a 75-25% split between Türkmengaz and ISGS, even 95-5% works for us) favorable conditions (10 or even 20 years tax holiday) to construct and operate, an Lng export terminal at Karachi. A part from earning from land lease, (and add-on port charges, custom clearance charges etc), it will help kick start an array of brand new associated industries (drydocks for Lng vessels, inspection, maintenance, investment opportunity for KS&EW, similar to what Nakilat is doing, even Qatar can invest in it) and create local skilled professionals, who can be employed locally and abroad.

Apart from TAP(I), Central Asia offers us much more, they are resource rich and we can become a transit node for their Oil/ Gas to the world.

For extension on TAPI to Karachi, there's is already a planned tie in between TAPI and PSGP. The idea is to make PSGP a dual flow pipeline (from South to North and North to South). In order to keep its tariffs in check (and shield Pakistani consumers), Pakistan must offer (if they haven't already) Turkmenistan capacity in PSGP, to help bring her gas to Karachi and from there onwards export to the energy starved world, as Lng.