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Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

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I still think that if anything we will get the J11D as long as the WS10 power plant is reliable, but the speed at which things are moving in the region who knows. Love to see the indians so paranoid about Pak Russia relationship, so amusing.
 
Muhammed
BUTT HURT STARTS when you actually buy some thing :chilli:

When you get 272 su35 THEN the butt really hurts
Mindless. Pointless. Drivel. In short, you and a horde of your fellow countrymen on here can do nothing that could change the hard fact. Russia signed a pact with Pakistan in November 2014 when Russian Defence Minister General Sergei Shoigu and his team of 41-member high level delegation visited, details - guess as you like - of which have not been revealed. This was the single most important agreement between the two countries. You will witness soon the changing tide in relations between Pak-Russia just as Pakistan and Russia are witnessing the relations between India-US.

Time to swallow your pride and accept it. Russia is serious. I'll end with this quote: “The world community not only praises but wants to do business with Pakistan now,” -- Russian Defence Minister General Sergei Shoigu
 
Let's hope the other Sharif and rest of Pakistanis share your feelings :p:

Raheel Sharif: Leader and savior?

More than 90 percent of Pakistanis call this though guy your savior and Leader :azn:

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We love him more than anything else in Pakistan :)
 
Let's put it this way if and when Russia sells the fighter to Pakistan it will from my view change the dynamics of Indo-Russian defence relationship. These are not a few attack helicopters we talking about but one of the world's most sophisticated jets which potentially has regional consequences.
Ok we will see
 
This is the problem sir google sir is also telling all this stuff in this complicated figures but I was asking for the facts.

1. India is going for the Super Sukhoi Program that will include the Aesa Radar upgrade for sure i.e either upgraded Bars or the IBRIS-E radar and in our Su-35 IBRIS-E is still not confirmed because some talk of chinese Aesa radar in this PDF forum was there.

2. What makes MKI is the avionics which is not only supplied by Russia but french, israel OEM and in Super Sukhoi also the Best available jammers, pods, and sensors will be there which is superior than the Russian then how can we surely claim the advantage of the Su 35 over MKI.

3. Engine Yes Sure but Indians can also go for engine upgrade.

4. Quantity wise they are far superior than our Su35.

Here is a hypothetical view of 2017 a dog fight between $u 35 against raptor & F-35 EVEN ALL OF SO CALLED STATE OF ART TECHS IN THEM ,still at some point $u 35 is clear & present danger to its enemies ?
Try to look the video then , imagine it what PAF can get with SU-35s in its inventory.


I don't care what India is going for since past 14 years on papers , its still incomplete & not practical ?
What we have is a potentialy best of the top fighter jets in the world , & when its manufacturing company is telling me that its way more fast ,accurate , then what my enemy.has ?
I'm going to go get it ?
Quantity is not an issue ,we never thought to match it with anyone ?
If we can just take out any intruding air force from sea front thats it ?
Now with all that said , there is nothing to satisfy a Coward & dejected mind ,which is affected & impressed by the enemy prapoganda ?

some coustmer showing interest in my goods doesnt means im selling those goods to that coustmer until or unless the coustmer is paying me better over my existing coustmers and that too in hard cash .... i hope you got my point sirji ... ok fir milte hain its sutta time :D:drag:

Here we go agian self denials has made India live in a days where its own allay is presenting us the best of its front line , fighter jets ?
I think its just a matter of time when , deal will be opened & your over projected belives will be smashed ?
& SU - 35 is never in the que for sell to India by Russia ?
Btw , if a seller can sell 2 different types of goods to jealous customer , who can be jealous from his competitors buying from its seller then wise seller will sell the goods to the competiting seller cause jealousy will break the one who is jealous & will bring him paying more & more ?
In india s case , Russia will sell su -35 to Pakistan to bring a completion & let India pay more for a different rather expensive product ?
For Russia its win win situation , cause it will create a market of its products ?
I think its look like a Chinese buasines strategy to sink India further eceonomicly & financially & militarily pls watch out ?
Also please stop living fools heavens that India has more cash then any one else in the world no , it doesnt have ?
China is the new financial super power , just bow to them ?lolzz

Khanuvore

You need money to do busines
Money is not the only thing to do good bussines you reputation. & your partnerships brings you the credit in any of the markets ?
So stop sneezing , we are getting su 35 ,be jealous ,don't sleep ,but it won't stop us ?lolzz
 
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Modi invited everyone in South Asia for his swearing in ceromony but everyone knows it is the Pak army that control's the foreign policy not NS. Doval needs to speak to the ISI and military as they hold the key.
Dival or who ever needs to change their stupid anti Pakistan plans that will work better then that stupid theory , that our army control our politicians not thats wrong idea ?
 
The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has discussed buying Su-35 'Flanker-E' fighter aircraft from Russia in potentially the largest defence deal between the two countries, but a final decision is yet to be made, a senior Pakistani government official has confirmed to IHS Jane's .

The official was responding to Russian media reports that Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov had said talks were underway for an unspecified number of Su-35s, which follow a recent agreement to provide Mi-35M 'Hind E' attack helicopters to Islamabad.

While the official said "it's too early to say if a deal will conclude and the terms", the fact that discussions have taken place shows Russia's willingness to sell advanced hardware with Pakistan despite Moscow's longstanding ties with India.

The official said Pakistan's interest in the Su-35 was driven by the PAF's need for a twin-engine fighter "that can fly for a longer range than the JF-17 and penetrate more deeply into the enemy's territory". The PAF flies a mixed fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16s, Dassault Mirage-5s, Chinese-manufactured F-7s, and the JF-17 Thunder, which is jointly produced by China and Pakistan.

In November 2014 a senior Pakistani official told IHS Jane's that Pakistan was in discussions with China to buy 30 to 40 FC-31s - the export version of China's J-31 fifth-generation platform. At the time, the official told IHS Jane's that Pakistan was interested in the platform partly because it was fitted with two RD-93 Russian Klimov engines, which also powers the JF-17. PAF officials have also told IHS Jane's in the past that they have considered the purchase of up to 40 Chengdu J-10 fighters.

Pakistani official confirms Su-35 talks - IHS Jane's 360

Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Fighter Jet Deal Potentially The Largest

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September 18 2015

Pakistan is negotiating a deal to purchase Sukhoi-35 'Flanker E' fighter jets from Russia, which is expected to be the largest defense deal between the two countries, according to IHS Jane’s.

A senior Pakistani government official confirmed the discussions between Pakistan and Russia regarding the supply of Su-35 fighter jets. However, the official emphasized that it is “too early” to tell whether both countries will reach an agreement.

Previous reports indicated that Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov revealed that the two countries are in talks on the supply of Su-35 fighter jets.

According to the Pakistani official, they are interested in the Su-35 fighter jets because the country’s Air Force needs a twin-engine fighter with the capacity to fly longer range than the JF-17 and to penetrate deeply into the enemy’s territory.

Pakistan’s Air Force has a mixed fleet of Lockheed Martin Corporation (NYSE:LMT) F16 Dassault Mirage-5s, Chinese-manufactured F-7s, and the JF-17 Thunder. China and Pakistan partnered in producing the JF-17 Thunder fighter jet.

Pakistan strengthening relations with Russia
Pakistan has been strengthening its relationship with Russia while facing increasing tensions with the United States regarding its efforts to fight the Islamic militants in the region. The U.S. considers Pakistan as an unreliable partner in fighting terrorist groups.

Pakistan recently agreed to purchase Mi-35 “Hinde E” attack helicopters from Russia. The Pakistani government did not reveal the details of the deal including the value and schedule for the delivery of the Mi-35 helicopters.

Last year, Russia and Pakistan signed a bilateral defense cooperation agreement to boost its military-to-military relations. Both countries are expected to sign a technical cooperation agreement for the sale of Russian military equipment to Islamabad. :enjoy:

Both countries are also expected to sign the North-South gas pipeline agreement by the end of September, according to Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak. :o:


India would be extremely upset with Pakistan-Russia deal
Defense industry analysts suggested that Russia is willing to sell advance hardware to Pakistan despite its longstanding relationship with India. The Russian government also signed a defense cooperation agreement with the Pakistani government in November last year.

Brian Cloughley, an author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad commented, “The Indians would be extremely upset to the point of a major diplomatic rift.”

India previously stated that Russia is crossing the “red line” for selling military hardware to Pakistan. :tsk:

On the other hand, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov emphasized that the country’s relationship with India will no be affected by its expanding military cooperation with Pakistan.

Ryabkov explained that Russia and Pakistan are close partners, and India will not be jealous on the contract under negotiations involving the Su-35 fighter jets and Mi-35 helicopters. :cry:

Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Fighter Jet Deal Potentially The Largest


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Good, this can act as a catalyst for Indians to buy Rafale faster, and other defense procurement too.
 
Sounds like a massive geo political event is about to take place i.e a fracture between Russia and India, awesome.
 
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