Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[batmannow]

well even if i agree with all the rosy pictures you want to beleve questuion is and bottom line is russia still in deals with india well over 25 billion as pre you which according to my sources are much much more .... in short whu will russia give away all that (two birds in hand are better than four in the bush) as for china russia was always selling its latest stuff to china even china was biggest buyer of flankers before india went for flankers and how does china buying wepons from russia helps pakistani cause to buy su-35s

China is not only the largest buyer of Russian weapons but it is the biggest partner in all of projects ?
Be more knowledgeable pls ?
Go and Google the investment of Chinese in Russia you will be astonished ?
Russia don't consider , India as its strategic partner any more ?
It sees INDIA more of kind of opposition , back by USA to counter China ?
its mighty super rich brother ?lolzz
So for India , accept China ,s power & its strategic role as the next super power & bow down then , stop aggression against Pakistan & be friendly towards it , by accepting Kashmir problem & sort it out as UN will ?
If India is ready to do it , Pakistan don't need SU-35s & Russia will be more keen towards you ?lolzz

 

[aliyusuf]

Friend ,
You are just ignoring the mind set of both nations , if they had good mature more political minds , we would have spending our money on mutual beneficial projects & would have made ourselves a power by ourselves ?

You are right.

But, do we stop trying because they are slow to change their mindsets? At least by trying, even though they may not change, we can help regress the descent of their thinking towards more negativity and jingoism.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[airmarshal]

We know USA is not willing to sell F-35 to Pakistan but what if Pakistan get F-35, is this better option than Su-35? What's difference between them?

Skinny Su-35 (two engines)

Pregnant F-35 (one engine)

Or you can say Su-35 after delivery while F-35 is obese having too many McDonalds with fries and large soda. lol.

Bhai, you can feel the burn and I can smell it in Indian members. India buyingF-35 will be like negotiations for 20 years. F-35 is not a mature product yet. There are too many flaws in it. If you have read reports about its capabilities and performance.

 

[GURU DUTT]

China is not only the largest buyer of Russian weapons but it is the biggest partner in all of projects ?
Be more knowledgeable pls ?
Go and Google the investment of Chinese in Russia you will be astonished ?
Russia don't consider , India as its strategic partner any more ?
It sees INDIA more of kind of opposition , back by USA to counter China ?
its mighty super rich brother ?lolzz

ok sir even if i agree to what you just said how does chinas growing repute/relations with russia neutralieses indian relations with russia and help pakistan get Su-35

in short why will russia sacrifice all its deals with india just because it is also dealing with china ..... baat samjh me ayyee ki nahi

 

[airmarshal]

China is not only the largest buyer of Russian weapons but it is the biggest partner in all of projects ?
Be more knowledgeable pls ?
Go and Google the investment of Chinese in Russia you will be astonished ?
Russia don't consider , India as its strategic partner any more ?
It sees INDIA more of kind of opposition , back by USA to counter China ?
its mighty super rich brother ?lolzz
So for India , accept China ,s power & its strategic role as the next super power & bow down then , stop aggression against Pakistan & be friendly towards it , by accepting Kashmir problem & sort it out as UN will ?
If India is ready to do it , Pakistan don't need SU-35s & Russia will be more keen towards you ?lolzz

You are wrong here. According to Indians, Russia will be dead if India takes its money out.

Indians need Russia more but in their idiotic jingoism, they forget this fact.

For a fact, China has liquid cash in trillions of dollars India can only dream to match.

First of this is a fantasy and if I tried to counter these arguments or suggest how IAF will be better equipped and has better plans. You'd open your nuclear umbrella.

Yes very good plans. We can see that already in the Rafale deal. 10 years still no planes.

 

[Dalit]

lol I liked your post for the sheer entertainment value of it.

Again first of all, war is not even a remote possibility, maybe limited surgical strikes. To which Pakistani establishment will never reply with all out nuclear war because of the concepts called 'proportionality' and 'rationale' but let's just hypothetically say that some Pakistani general got his hands on tactical nukes or even worse you got yours hands on them you initiated 'Full Spectrum Deterrence' do you even realise the response? And let's say India doesn't use nukes like toys but still have you heard of something called Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme?

If you think that missiles and nukes are toys or entertainment it is all up to you. I know that it is a dead serious matter and very devastating. I hope you never have to find out the hard way.

Having said that, this is all I have to say in response to your rhetoric. There is never going to be a war between India and Pakistan. The nukes are ultimately the stalemate factor. No amount of Su-35's, F-35's etc. can ever change this fact.

 

[batmannow]

You are right.

But, do we stop trying because they are slow to change their mindsets? At least by trying, even though they may not change, we can help regress the descent of their thinking towards more negativity and jingoism.

Just my humble opinion.

Its a huge problem , India is in super power complex which was feuled by America that it can crossover China or at least can compete with China ?
Its a poisonous idea , which only was injected to stop Chinese influence in 90s ?
Things changed in China ,s favour since then , % because of that stupid idea , India looks Pakistan the last rock in its way to glory ?
The whole religious based political parties , boom in India was financed by CIA , through Indian military,s hidden collaboration with CIA ?
cause that's what will bring the charging fuel in India to keep in competition ?
YOUR TRIES are to small & the opposite powers are to strong , better we match fire with fire & poison with poison cause its the only cure we been sent ?

 

[batmannow]

You are wrong here. According to Indians, Russia will be dead if India takes its money out.

Indians need Russia more but in their idiotic jingoism, they forget this fact.

For a fact, China has liquid cash in trillions of dollars India can only dream to match.



Yes very good plans. We can see that already in the Rafale deal. 10 years still no planes.

I have pointed that out to them , but still they are not getting down from their stupid MARs ?lolzz

ok sir even if i agree to what you just said how does chinas growing repute/relations with russia neutralieses indian relations with russia and help pakistan get Su-35

in short why will russia sacrifice all its deals with india just because it is also dealing with china ..... baat samjh me ayyee ki nahi

& you think INDIA will stop all its relations with Russia ?
Really ?lolzz
After that just imagine whole Indian air force ,navay ,, even your tank divisions will be just a sitting duck to Pakistanis with no spares & supplies ?lolzz
Really can India affords it ?
Friend , sadly India is in no position to tell Russia what to do ?
Its indias turn to sitting down ,& have diet coke & watch few SU-35 flying in Pakistani skies?lolzz

 

[aliyusuf]

Its a huge problem , India is in super power complex which was feuled by America that it can crossover China or at least can compete with China ?
Its a poisonous idea , which only was injected to stop Chinese influence in 90s ?
Things changed in China ,s favour since then , % because of that stupid idea , India looks Pakistan the last rock in its way to glory ?
The whole religious based political parties , boom in India was financed by CIA , through Indian military,s hidden collaboration with CIA ?
cause that's what will bring the charging fuel in India to keep in competition ?
YOUR TRIES are to small & the opposite powers are to strong , better we match fire with fire & poison with poison cause its the only cure we been sent ?

Like I stated before ... I am a pragmatist. I believe that great things have small beginnings. If we contribute in our own small way, in any which way we can, we may eventually end up being part of something big. The trouble with fighting fire with fire is that, although the fire is eventually extinguished, it leaves behind destruction in its wake. That would be a sorry epitaph for our nation and for the rest of the sub-continent.

 

[batmannow]

Like I stated before ... I am pragmatist. I believe that great things have small beginnings. If we contribute in our own small way, in any which way we can, we may eventually end up being part of something big. The trouble with fighting fire with fire is that, although the fire is eventually extinguished, it leaves behind destruction in its wake. That would be a sorry epitaph for our nation and for the rest of the sub-continent.

Friend ,
Pakistani or Indian states are not being runing by your pragmatism ?right ?
So , all of your nobel efforts are just waste of time for you & us ?
That's not that time , wait for that god knows when but wait till some water gets under the bridge ?

 

[GURU DUTT]

I have pointed that out to them , but still they are not getting down from their stupid MARs ?lolzz


& you think INDIA will stop all its relations with Russia ?
Really ?lolzz
After that just imagine whole Indian air force ,navay ,, even your tank divisions will be just a sitting duck to Pakistanis with no spares & supplies ?lolzz
Really can India affords it ?
Friend , sadly India is in no position to tell Russia what to do ?
Its indias turn to sitting down ,& have diet coke & watch few SU-35 flying in Pakistani skies?lolzz

that is the point i was making just because russia has buisness interests with china india is not cutting off with russia and vice versa

so that was china and russia and india equation you still dint tell me how it helps pakistans quest for su-35s ...cuase of all that hokus phokus russia doesnt beleves in charity or soft loans mumbo jumbo like USA or china..... in russian market money talk bull**** walks .... hope you know what i mean this time sirji

 

[batmannow]

that is the point i was making just because russia has buisness interests with china india is not cutting off with russia and vice versa

so that was china and russia and india equation you still dint tell me how it helps pakistans quest for su-35s ...cuase of all that hokus phokus russia doesnt beleves in charity or soft loans mumbo jumbo like USA or china..... in russian market money talk bull**** walks .... hope you know what i mean this time sirji

China will support it all , cause it belives in strong Pakistan will strike first to its worst enemy in any situation of war ?
&, it will be India vs Pakistan ,, which even if India survives ,, China will capture that tiny little remaining India in blink ?lolzz
Pakistan getting SU-35 or even 37s , is Chinese idea ! Itself ?lolzz

 

[Albatross]

thats because russia wants india to buy its su-35s + armata tanks + amur subs among many other things so the best way for that in todays world is innovative use of "corporate trolling" if you know what i mean

Even if your line of troll is accepted then its clear Russia is not letting you slip into EU and US easily so india has two options Russia or west that's what Moscow is telling you clearly and the fact India operates mostly Russian machines and needs their spare parts for decades Russia is in a better position to dictate their terms and if you guys feel they will be easy on you because of your future development agreements with you that's pure day dreaming without knowing who you are dealing with.
Nemtsov's report: Russia spent over $40 billion on war with Ukraine - Charter'97 :: News from Belarus - Belarusian News - Republic of Belarus - Minsk
So how much is the worth of your agreements with Moscow Baby??

Their only concern regarding Ukraine was they were not willing to let it slip into west hands and same is the case with India for Russia India is nothing more than a hen laying dollar eggs so now if you will give your eggs to someone else they will do all in their hands to deter you and in the end as is my reading India is now forced into western hands by Israel Russia will have to make her balance by allying herself with Pakistan and its not only SU 35 it would be a long list and in our favor economically.

Russians are more like pathan and Sikhs they do what they feel like doing irrespective of outcome / Financial aspects and Ukraine is the example .

India and her foreign policy is in shit under modi I can only offer my condolences at your situation.

Anyways for Pakistan its a win win if India goes west we get Russia and if Russia stops you guys our relations with west will improve steadily but in any way Indian reputation internationally has taken a big hit by MMRCA and recent veiled Russian threats.

 

[aliyusuf]

Friend ,
Pakistani or Indian states are not being runing by your pragmatism ?right ?
So , all of your nobel efforts are just waste of time for you & us ?
That's not that time , wait for that god knows when but wait till some water gets under the bridge ?

I am just interested in breaching the gap between general people of both sides. The members of this forum are by and large from the respective general public of both sides. I am ok with both sides support their respective countries without being jingoistic. We can have healthy and heated exchange of views and debates without acrimony and score settlings. Learn more about each other and do away with the stereo types and prejudices that are being spread through the media.

Apart from that I am not a turn your other cheek sort of a person. I am not a pacifist in the face of bullying or intimidation. What is happening at the country to country level at the moment has gotten me all riled up. In that arena I say bring it on!

 

[GURU DUTT]

Even if your line of troll is accepted then its clear Russia is not letting you slip into EU and US easily so india has two options Russia or west that's what Moscow is telling you clearly and the fact India operates mostly Russian machines and needs their spare parts for decades they are in a better position to dictate their terms and if you guys feel they will be easy on you because of your future development agreements with you that's pure day dreaming without knowing who you are dealing with.
Nemtsov's report: Russia spent over $40 billion on war with Ukraine - Charter'97 :: News from Belarus - Belarusian News - Republic of Belarus - Minsk
So how much is the worth of your agreements with Moscow Baby??

Their only concern regarding Ukraine was they were not willing to let it slip into west hands and same is the case with India for Russia India is nothing more than a hen laying dollar eggs so now if you will give your eggs to someone else they will do all in their hands to deter you and in the end as is my reading India is now forced into western hands by Israel Russia will have to make her balance by allying herself with Pakistan and its not only SU 35 it would be a long list and in our favor economically.

Russians are more like pathan and Sikhs they do what they feel like doing irrespective of outcome and Ukraine is the example .


Anyways for Pakistan its a win win if India goes west we get Russia and if Russia stops you guys our relations with west will improve steadily but in any way Indian reputation internationally has taken a big hit by MMRCA and recent Russian veiled threats.

even so called "west" and russia knows that we are not going to break of with russia or anyone else just becuase of them we never did that and we even today wont do that no matter what and even russia and USA knows this fact too very well

now the thing is how does it helps pakistani cuase to get russian cutting edge hardware ?

bieng a friend with russia doesnt means bieng a enemy of west or vice versa as per indias forign policy and good you mentioned ukrine do you think russia gonna forget indian stand on that when west wanted us to do otherwise ... what changed did we dropped russian interests for sake of so called "west"

think about it

China will support it all , cause it belives in strong Pakistan will strike first to its worst enemy in any situation of war ?
&, it will be India vs Pakistan ,, which even if India survives ,, China will capture that tiny little remaining India in blink ?lolzz
Pakistan getting SU-35 or even 37s , is Chinese idea ! Itself ?lolzz

so in short you are proud of the fact that your nation which was first used and discarded by the west for its quest against USSR now is ready to that yet again = bieng a china "friend" to harm indian intersts this time

man you guys are so emotional and predictable and thats the main reason no powerfull nation takes your cause serouslli even after you are prepaired to go any lenths to proove it and that too often at your own nations interests

now lets talk about china do you realli think chinas orignal policy is to hurt indian interests to get the top slot here

lolzz they are already on the top slot here not because they used pakistan to harm indian interests but becuase of there own dedication and hard work but looks like you dont want to look at it thru that angle

no issues but make no mistake china is not the type of nation that will put all it got thru all that hard work and dedication just to teach india a lesson and help pakistan ... but there is no harm in dreaming .... keep doing it rather it makes owr job pretty easy