Taliban Rapidly Raising New Highly Trained Units

[That Guy]

There is no such major city without taliban influence except kabul. And if the US and NATO trained, funded and equipped ANA is giving up without a fight, what makes u think the locals would fight? That too after enduring two decades of US bombing. History doesn't need to repeat itself every time and maybe most groups would surrender or negotiate. Even in case of fighting, id prefer it to be quick and power is taken by most powerful group, so some form of peace and stability is achieved.

The locals will fight, because it is in the nature of Afghanistan. The taliban will be resisted by those that oppose the taliban, they did so in the past as well. Every decade of Afghanistan since King Ahmed Shah, except a brief period in the 1960s, has had a ruler facing an armed resistance.

It is the nature of Afghanistan, where a ruler can only rule if Afghanistan is presented with an external enemy.

 

[That Guy]

The Afghan government it seems, is in a state of denial about the Taliban practically taking control over almost the entire country. Interestingly, almost all of the districts that are falling to the Taliban are through negotiations and without a fight. The pace at which the Afghan national army is surrending to the Taliban, it will hardly take 6 months after the US withdrawal for Taliban to declare victory over almost the entire country. Taliban seem to have support of the public whereas the So called government is desperately clinching onto power. It appears all the President cares about is getting his pictures taken with the US president. That however, will not help. If the US couldn’t win in 20 years with all its NATO allies and advanced weapons, the ANA practically has no chance. The writing on the wall is clear, the Taliban are the next rulers of Afghanistan.

It is not due to public support for the taliban, as seen by the population of the areas where the taliban take over, fleeing in a hurry, drastically decreasing the populations.

The taliban have taken over so quickly, because the ANA are poorly trained, poorly equipped, and fighting for a paycheck. Afghanistan problem is that it is not a united country, the soldiers of the ANA have no loyalty to the state, and only fight so they can put food on their table, and feed their families. The taliban are fighting for a cause they believe in, the ANA is fighting for a government they have no sense of loyalty to.

Why do you think the taliban tend to give money to surrendering ANA soldiers? It's because both sides know what's going on.

Regardless, if the taliban do not come to some sort of understanding with the relevant Afghan players, including the rulers in Kabul, they will only face an insurgency of their own, if they manage to take over Afghanistan.

 

[wali87]

It is not due to public support for the taliban, as seen by the population of the areas where the taliban take over, fleeing in a hurry, drastically decreasing the populations.

The taliban have taken over so quickly, because the ANA are poorly trained, poorly equipped, and fighting for a paycheck. Afghanistan problem is that it is not a united country, the soldiers of the ANA have no loyalty to the state, and only fight so they can put food on their table, and feed their families. The taliban are fighting for a cause they believe in, the ANA is fighting for a government they have no sense of loyalty to.

Why do you think the taliban tend to give money to surrendering ANA soldiers? It's because both sides know what's going on.

Regardless, if the taliban do not come to some sort of understanding with the relevant Afghan players, including the rulers in Kabul, they will only face an insurgency of their own, if they manage to take over Afghanistan.

Poorly equipped? I don’t think so. They are in fact much better armed than the Taliban. After all the Taliban do not have airplanes, helis, MRAPs, APCs etc. Not to mention the highly sophisticated small arms. Poorly trained? Perhaps, but then again only the Kabul government is to blame. As per facts, the US has not dedicated so much funds and manpower to train a professional army anywhere else in the world.

As per western media itself, it’s largely due to the public sentiments in favour of the Taliban, except for a small amount of liberals who are largely concentrated in Kabul and a couple of others cities. Mainly because there is no system of justice in Afghanistan and the Taliban provide quick speedy justice with their mobile courts, which gives the ordinary citizen of Afghanistan a sense of security.

Any insurgency requires a just and strong cause to stay alive, the current Kabul government are comprised of looters, drug lords, peadophiles and thugs unfortunately, so I doubt they ll be able to garner support to lead an insurgency. Most of them will fly out to western countries before September as they already have their bank accounts loaded. So the situation is rather bleak.

 

[That Guy]

As per western media itself, it’s largely due to the public sentiments in favour of the Taliban, except for a small amount of liberals who are largely concentrated in Kabul and a couple of others cities. Mainly because there is no system of justice in Afghanistan and the Taliban provide quick speedy justice with their mobile courts, which gives the ordinary citizen of Afghanistan a sense of security.

Any insurgency requires a just and strong cause to stay alive, the current Kabul government are comprised of looters, drug lords, peadophiles and thugs unfortunately, so I doubt they ll be able to garner support to lead an insurgency. Most of them will fly out to western countries before September as they already have their bank accounts loaded. So the situation is rather bleak.

There is no one in western media that says that, don't make things up.

As for your second paragraph, I guess you're saying that the ttp and bla are just and have a strong cause?

I don't know why I bother with this forum anymore.

 

[wali87]

There is no one in western media that says that, don't make things up.

As for your second paragraph, I guess you're saying that the ttp and bla are just and have a strong cause?

I don't know why I bother with this forum anymore.

Type hearts and minds Afghanistan, you find plenty of sources to articles and documentaries by reputed western media outlets,

If ttp and bla had a just cause, the would ve been in control of 100 districts fortunately they have none. not to mention getting almost completely wiped out like they have been. So that comparison is invalid.

 

[That Guy]

Type hearts and minds Afghanistan, you find plenty of sources to articles and documentaries by reputed western media outlets,

I know exactly what you're talking about, and I'm telling you you're wrong.

The TTP literally controlled two massive chunks of Pakistan in the form of SWAT and NWA.

Warfare isn't fought on just cause, plenty of defeated nations and groups have had just causes against aggressive nations with selfish ones.

Regardless, I'm done for tonight. I got a morning shift, which I have to wake up in 5 hours for, I bid you a good...whatever time of day it is where you live.

Good luck.

 

[wali87]

I know exactly what you're talking about, and I'm telling you you're wrong.

The TTP literally controlled two massive chunks of Pakistan in the form of SWAT and NWA.

Warfare isn't fought on just cause, plenty of defeated nations and groups have had just causes against aggressive nations with selfish ones.

Regardless, I'm done for tonight. I got a morning shift, which I have to wake up in 5 hours for, I bid you a good...whatever time of day it is where you live.

Good luck.

Well if you Knew what I’m talking about or bothered to look into it, you’d know whith whom the public sentiment lies in Afghanistan.

SWat and NW. it seems your living in the past. That situation was only for a year or so until pak army decided to wipe them out. ttP was a foreign funded terrorist organisation fighting for dollars, rather for a just cause. Nowhere to be seen today.

Wars are won by the side which has the support of the local population. That’s the reason the Afghan Taliban survived and are going to be ruling the country soon.

Again, your comparison is invalid.

 

[TNT]

The locals will fight, because it is in the nature of Afghanistan. The taliban will be resisted by those that oppose the taliban, they did so in the past as well. Every decade of Afghanistan since King Ahmed Shah, except a brief period in the 1960s, has had a ruler facing an armed resistance.

It is the nature of Afghanistan, where a ruler can only rule if Afghanistan is presented with an external enemy.

Kind of true lolz but we also saw peace when taliban took over in the 90s. Mypoint is that in a country like Afghanistan, peace is possible if the most powerful group takes power. Afghanistan is ethnically divided so there will be resistance. I think Pakistan should arm taliban well so they can make the takeover quicker and less bloody. Later on we can establish some sort of inclusive mechanism for other groups.

 

[That Guy]

Well if you Knew what I’m talking about or bothered to look into it, you’d know whith whom the public sentiment lies in Afghanistan.

SWat and NW. it seems your living in the past. That situation was only for a year or so until pak army decided to wipe them out. ttP was a foreign funded terrorist organisation fighting for dollars, rather for a just cause. Nowhere to be seen today.

Wars are won by the side which has the support of the local population. That’s the reason the Afghan Taliban survived and are going to be ruling the country soon.

Again, your comparison is invalid.

My comparison is completely valid, and you denying it won't change that fact. "Living in the past" is simply as excuse to push your narrative, without actually providing evidence of your claim.

Again, I know what you're talking about, but you're completely wrong on the issue.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Taliban with US MRAP in Wardak.

 

[Imran Khan]

rise of a terrorists gov next to pakistan will destabilize pakistan sooner or letter

 

[CatSultan]

That means Ana stands for a being a whore.

ANA are mainly former soldiers of the pedophile warlords

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Did the white folk just waste 20 years over nothing

 

[Azadkashmir]

New movie coming up Rambo is Taliban and back in Afghanistan.

 

[notorious_eagle]

The taliban have taken over so quickly, because the ANA are poorly trained, poorly equipped, and fighting for a paycheck. Afghanistan problem is that it is not a united country, the soldiers of the ANA have no loyalty to the state, and only fight so they can put food on their table, and feed their families. The taliban are fighting for a cause they believe in, the ANA is fighting for a government they have no sense of loyalty to.

I do agree with your point in regards to loyalty and cause, but you couldn't be more wrong in regards to equipment/training/funding. Lets address all these three points:

The ANA on paper is 300K strong. Lets say 100K of these soldiers are ghost, that still leaves a fighting force of 200K. According to the best Western estimates, Taliban have a fighting force of 10K. Lets double it, make it 20K. That's still a gap of 180K troops in favor of ANA.

ANA's budget is $11 billion, that's the same budget of Pakistan's Armed Forces. Pakistan with this budget operates a modern military, navy and an air force. In terms of equipment, the ANA has MRAP's, Armored Humvees, Latest American Standard light weapons, choppers and aircraft. Compare that to the Taliban who are mostly armed with light weapons.

ANA has been getting trained by NATO officers for the past 20 years. The doctrines and the methods taught to ANA officers are some of the most advanced in the world. Pakistan has benefitted immensely from the training it has received from US Army Officers.

Thus, we can't use the argument of underfunded, not trained and not equipped. Its pure incompetence on the ANA part.