Taliban hardliners push to quit US talks as frustration grows at impasse

[nahtanbob]

The US lost over a trillion dollars and now are negotiating with the "enemy" they fought and lost some of their best special operators against.

Your understanding of war (Haris Ali) is very similar to America's (bomb 'em to the Stone Age) --- the problem is that "leveling" doesn't work when an indigenous insurgency has popular support and enough caves to wait things out (sort of already living in the Stone Age!)

As others have pointed out, America no doubt has the military might to vaporize entire continents (let alone weak countries), but it can't due to a number of reasons --- especially these days. The Afg T know this very well --- and a bit of pressure through this tactic is a good idea to get things moving in the State Dept and to override CIA wishes of not reaching a peace deal.

USA can break the Taliban easily if they want to.

It is called drill-bit/finger nail strategy. I will let you figure out why
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-militias/

 

[R Wing]

USA can break the Taliban easily if they want to.

It is called drill-bit/finger nail strategy. I will let you figure out why
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-militias/

Your military cannot break the Taliban --- otherwise it would have. This is because the Taliban are an irregular force that blends into the population very easily (quite literally going back to doing their regular household chores for months if they have to.) The US military can do the equivalent of leveling Afghanistan (or just nuking it), which would get rid of the Taliban --- but that's not the point here.

"Can" or "cannot" is not just a question of military capability, especially when dealing with a well-entrenched indigenous insurgency with widespread support among the population --- it's a question of what's acceptable at home politically, how much the Geneva Conventions can be flouted, etc.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

USA can break the Taliban easily if they want to.

It is called drill-bit/finger nail strategy. I will let you figure out why
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-militias/

No, what the US can do is perpetrate a genocide in Afghanistan, massacring millions perhaps, and then claim that it 'defeated the Taliban' because there's no one left alive in Afghanistan to be part of the Taliban.

The approach above doesn't require tactics, skill or strategy - just a lot of massive explosives, and there are plenty of other countries that can do the same thing.

 

[American Pakistani]

Your military cannot break the Taliban --- otherwise it would have. .

Just to make you aware, he is an embarrassed Bharti living in United States.

 

[nahtanbob]

Your military cannot break the Taliban --- otherwise it would have. This is because the Taliban are an irregular force that blends into the population very easily (quite literally going back to doing their regular household chores for months if they have to.) The US military can do the equivalent of leveling Afghanistan (or just nuking it), which would get rid of the Taliban --- but that's not the point here.

"Can" or "cannot" is not just a question of military capability, especially when dealing with a well-entrenched indigenous insurgency with widespread support among the population --- it's a question of what's acceptable at home politically, how much the Geneva Conventions can be flouted, etc.

USA does not have to do anything. Just let the anti-Taliban forces do the bidding.
The drillbit/fingernail strategy was executed by the Shia militiamen

No, what the US can do is perpetrate a genocide in Afghanistan, massacring millions perhaps, and then claim that it 'defeated the Taliban' because there's no one left alive in Afghanistan to be part of the Taliban.

The approach above doesn't require tactics, skill or strategy - just a lot of massive explosives, and there are plenty of other countries that can do the same thing.

USA does not have to do anything. Just let the anti-Taliban forces do the bidding.
The drillbit/fingernail strategy was executed by the Shia militiamen

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

USA does not have to do anything. Just let the anti-Taliban forces do the bidding.
The drillbit/fingernail strategy was executed by the Shia militiamen

The Northern Alliance opposition to the Taliban was basically relegated to the far north of Afghanistan and could do nothing to push back the Taliban onslaught for years. It took American air power in coordination with special forces on the ground to push the Taliban out.

And your 'proposal' would essentially result in the same thing - genocide, because the more atrocities perpetrated by the US/locals allied with US goals, the more the tribal code of honor and revenge drives recruits from the affected communities into the insurgency.

So, again, the US proposal is nothing other than genocide and the massacre of millions. There are plenty of other countries that can accomplish the same thing - there is no strategy, intelligence or tactical genius involved in perpetrating genocide and then 'declaring victory' because you massacred almost everyone from the target community.

And one final note - the NDS and military forces that it control have been run by 'non-Pashtun' northerners. Amrullah Saleh being one of them. There are many, many reports of atrocities, torture, abductions and massacres at the hands of the Afghan security forces, yet even this strategy hasn't worked.

 

[nahtanbob]

The Northern Alliance opposition to the Taliban was basically relegated to the far north of Afghanistan and could do nothing to push back the Taliban onslaught for years. It took American air power in coordination with special forces on the ground to push the Taliban out.

And your 'proposal' would essentially result in the same thing - genocide, because the more atrocities perpetrated by the US/locals allied with US goals, the more the tribal code of honor and revenge drives recruits from the affected communities into the insurgency.

So, again, the US proposal is nothing other than genocide and the massacre of millions. There are plenty of other countries that can accomplish the same thing - there is no strategy, intelligence or tactical genius involved in perpetrating genocide and then 'declaring victory' because you massacred almost everyone from the target community.

And one final note - the NDS and military forces that it control have been run by 'non-Pashtun' northerners. Amrullah Saleh being one of them. There are many, many reports of atrocities, torture, abductions and massacres at the hands of the Afghan security forces, yet even this strategy hasn't worked.

Stop using words like genocide - Iraqi Sunnis are alive

 

[R Wing]

USA does not have to do anything. Just let the anti-Taliban forces do the bidding.
The drillbit/fingernail strategy was executed by the Shia militiamen



USA does not have to do anything. Just let the anti-Taliban forces do the bidding.
The drillbit/fingernail strategy was executed by the Shia militiamen

LOL

Yup, a minority sectarian group will defeat a well-entrenched insurgency which consists of not only the foot soldiers in the frontline of the war against NATO for two decades (including dealing with the CIA and JSOC) but also predominantly of the largest sect and ethnic group of the country. Things between the Taliban and Iran warmed up considerably during the past 1-2 decades as well.

 

[TMA]

We will be witnessing the fall of Kabul soon, to Taliban forces.

US will start scrambling to leave Afghanistan.

Then you will see a very strong pro-Pakistan government arise in Afghanistan, people to people contacts and friendships will increase. We can afford to put more troops on our Eastern border and apply pressure on India.

It is welcome news. Even in Northern Afghanistan, Taliban has become very strong.



In Afghanistan, Iran is their best ally.

Many people of Afghnaistan hate the sun human inferior Pakistanis simply because Pakistan came into being.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Many people of Afghnaistan hate the sun human inferior Pakistanis simply because Pakistan came into being.

Just wait and see my brother. Everything is going back to equilibrium in our part of the world.

Afghans and Pakistanis are one people, and have been throughout most of history.

Durrani Empire 1747

 

[BL33D]

Your military cannot break the Taliban --- otherwise it would have. This is because the Taliban are an irregular force that blends into the population very easily (quite literally going back to doing their regular household chores for months if they have to.) The US military can do the equivalent of leveling Afghanistan (or just nuking it), which would get rid of the Taliban --- but that's not the point here.

"Can" or "cannot" is not just a question of military capability, especially when dealing with a well-entrenched indigenous insurgency with widespread support among the population --- it's a question of what's acceptable at home politically, how much the Geneva Conventions can be flouted, etc.

The Geneva convention isn't a worry. They have no care for it. They can get away. Its a matter of much further they can take it without breaking the world order and bring chaos. US still enjoys a lot of respect being a strong democracy and it cant let that image go down.
Also, various military capabilities with AI are in works and this kind of irregular war-fighting wont work for long. It would be foolish to think that US has shown all its cards.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Stop using words like genocide - Iraqi Sunnis are alive

The US has failed to replicate the Iraq strategy in Afghanistan because the dynamics on the ground are different.

Not an apples to apples comparison.

The US has failed to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan and has no strategy or plan (other than genocide) to defeat them - hence the peace talks.

 

[nahtanbob]

The US has failed to replicate the Iraq strategy in Afghanistan because the dynamics on the ground are different.

Not an apples to apples comparison.

The US has failed to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan and has no strategy or plan (other than genocide) to defeat them - hence the peace talks.

Iraq - 60% Shias, 20% Sunnis, 20% Kurdas
Afghanistan - 55% non-Pusthuns, 45% Pusthuns

Get one group to slaughter another

the truth is Afghanistan has no real strategic importance for USA

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Iraq - 60% Shias, 20% Sunnis, 20% Kurdas
Afghanistan - 55% non-Pusthuns, 45% Pusthuns

Get one group to slaughter another

You think US hasn't tried that.

 

[nahtanbob]

You think US hasn't tried that.

the stakes in Iraq were much higher