Taiwan can respond to assassination of unarmed fisherman by the Philippines

[Sasquatch]

I have already deleted garbage posts and given infractions, refrain from trolling, insults, and no value posts and discuss it in a civil fashion otherwise I close it and bans will be given.

 

[filipino_american]

ROC is not a signatory to UNCLOS. She can claim whatever area and is not bound by UNCLOS, same as the US.

Yes Taiwan is NOT a signatory, but CHINA is.

Technically Taiwan is PART of CHINA, and that being said, whether you like it or not, TAIWAN has to follow UNCLOS because like what I've said, TAIWAN IS PART OF CHINA.

Also, TAIWAN has acknowledged the boundaries of the Philippines (they even signed it) during the reign of President Corazon Aquino of the Philippines. They even SOUGHT permission to cross the Philippine Waters of BATANES Islands.

Also, the International Community recognizes the islands of Batanes and the waters surrounding them as part of the Philippines.

Given that:
1. China and the Philippines signed and ratified UNCLOS

2. Taiwan recognized the Boundary of the Philippines in the North (Modern Boundary) by signing the NOTICE in the 1980s. And

3. The International Community recognizes the islands and Waters PART of the PHILIPPINES and not TAIWAN as evidenced by MAPS and ATLASES published by each country.

UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, TAIWAN has NO RIGHT to INTRUDE any territory of the Philippines.

The Philippines has MAINTAINED effective jurisdiction WITHOUT any OBJECTION ever since the country became independent.

 

[Zero_wing]

Yes Taiwan is NOT a signatory, but CHINA is.

Technically Taiwan is PART of CHINA, and that being said, whether you like it or not, TAIWAN has to follow UNCLOS because like what I've said, TAIWAN IS PART OF CHINA.

Also, TAIWAN has acknowledged the boundaries of the Philippines (they even signed it) during the reign of President Corazon Aquino of the Philippines. They even SOUGHT permission to cross the Philippine Waters of BATANES Islands.

Also, the International Community recognizes the islands of Batanes and the waters surrounding them as part of the Philippines.

Given that:
1. China and the Philippines signed and ratified UNCLOS

2. Taiwan recognized the Boundary of the Philippines in the North (Modern Boundary) by signing the NOTICE in the 1980s. And

3. The International Community recognizes the islands and Waters PART of the PHILIPPINES and not TAIWAN as evidenced y MAPS and ATLASES published by each country.

UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, TAIWAN has NO RIGHT to INTRUDE any territory of the Philippines.

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[p3avi8tor69]

Yes Taiwan is NOT a signatory, but CHINA is.

Technically Taiwan is PART of CHINA, and that being said, whether you like it or not, TAIWAN has to follow UNCLOS because like what I've said, TAIWAN IS PART OF CHINA.

Also, TAIWAN has acknowledged the boundaries of the Philippines (they even signed it) during the reign of President Corazon Aquino of the Philippines. They even SOUGHT permission to cross the Philippine Waters of BATANES Islands.

Also, the International Community recognizes the islands of Batanes and the waters surrounding them as part of the Philippines.

Given that:
1. China and the Philippines signed and ratified UNCLOS

2. Taiwan recognized the Boundary of the Philippines in the North (Modern Boundary) by signing the NOTICE in the 1980s. And

3. The International Community recognizes the islands and Waters PART of the PHILIPPINES and not TAIWAN as evidenced y MAPS and ATLASES published by each country.

UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, TAIWAN has NO RIGHT to INTRUDE any territory of the Philippines.

Well isn't it when the Philippines under the Marcos administration signed the UNCLOS, the Philippines specifically excluded the disputed areas in the South China Sea's because Marcos intended to negotiate those areas separately?

Official maps of the republic of the Philippines also did not include said disputed areas. Philippine public awareness only increased during the past decade or so, isn't it? Prior to that most Filipinos did not know nor cared for those disputed areas.

 

[Zero_wing]

Well isn't it when the Philippines under the Marcos administration signed the UNCLOS, the Philippines specifically excluded the disputed areas in the South China Sea's because Marcos intended to negotiate those areas separately?

Official maps of the republic of the Philippines also did not include said disputed areas. Philippine public awareness only increased during the past decade or so, isn't it? Prior to that most Filipinos did not know nor cared for those disputed areas.

Really akbayan would say it differently admiral general

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

PHL envoy experiences unfriendly service in Taiwan hotels
May 16, 2013 8:52pm

Amadeo Perez, the head of the Philippine body that handles relations with Taiwan, has experienced cold treatment there amid the tension resulting from the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman by Philippine authorities in waters disputed by both sides.

“Noong una, ‘yung hotel nagpa-reserve kami, meron daw. Pagdating doon ayaw na kaming tanggapin at wala raw bakanteng kuwarto,” Perez, chairman of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office, told reporters during his arrival at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Thursday.

PHL envoy experiences unfriendly service in Taiwan hotels | Pinoy Abroad | GMA News Online

Even our Philippine envoy experienced racial discrimination in Taiwan.

 

[filipino_american]

He is not a spokesman, but they represent THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES, and this article was written by a major U.S. media . verify it for yourself, you ignorant person, you.... oh headaches...

p.s., you will notice the authors are all Filipinos

so don't tell me I am deceptive (the proper term)

law makers do not represent the U.S.? who do they represent? the Philippines?

Hahahaha so the US only urged the Philippines to "APOLOGIZE" after they have apologized already? lol lol lol

It took the US so many days to say that, they tried NOT to condemn the PH until the PH said SORRY.

How Ironic right?

lol

 

[filipino_american]

yeah, I guess you guys sleep on the real issues , but vibrant on personal attacks

how do you expect the world community to respect Filipinos?

you keep making irrelevant statements disguised under the topic, no wonder you only got 5 thanks out of 42 posts, smart guy

let me rephrase the only important question in this thread:

1) Was it self-defense?

lol first of all are YOU FAMILIAR with WU MAOS?

China hires INTERNET COMMENTATOR (well you could be one of them who knows) to THANK or LIKE pro CHINESE statement....oh well the WORLD already knows about WU MAOS so go ahead brag the thanks you get from your so called INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY POSTERS hahahaa!

Self Defense?

What if I throw you back your question

let me rephrase the only important question in this thread:

1) What if it was self-defense?

 

[filipino_american]

from all the comments made by the Philippine nationals in the forums I have attended within the last three days have proven to me, without a doubt, that most, if not all, Filipinos are incapable of reason and logic, and therefore it is useless to argue or reason with them. Either that, or the smart ones don't have time to show up in forums. I am still hopeful the leaders of the Philippines have the wisdom to see the big picture and all the mechanics at work here. Short of that, I say **** the Philippines and Ma should just stake out the unilateral EEZ demarcation with military force. Peace out.

Hahaha he thinks that he is so SMART when he can't even answer the QUESTION:

What the heck was the TAIWANESE fishing vessel doing in the Philippine TERRITORIAL WATERS in the first place??? ANY GOOD EXCUSE???

 

[filipino_american]

Scottish are very different from English, but they are both people of Britian.
Ryukyu people are very different from "mainland Japaese", they are both Japanese and Ryukyu is part of Japan with no doubt.
Even you are killing your so-called brothers from the south, both of you people are all Pinoys.
I am a Macau and Hong Kong citizen, I am fine to be labeled as Chinese and people from China. What are you then, the Emperor of Macau and Hong Kong? You a outsider dare to judge and point around who is 'true' or not? You are the one who is acting extremely arrogant and doesn't make a sense of logic in your brain.

That's not what my HONG KONGER friend told me

#REALITY

excuse me, it was an unarmed Taiwanese fisherman who was chased down and killed by Filipino soldiers?!!?? who is the bully?? You guys are un ******* believable.

Yes the FISHERMAN was UNARMED, BUT was "VIOLENT"


GOSH COMMON SENSE PLEASE!

 

[p3avi8tor69]

PHL envoy experiences unfriendly service in Taiwan hotels
May 16, 2013 8:52pm

Amadeo Perez, the head of the Philippine body that handles relations with Taiwan, has experienced cold treatment there amid the tension resulting from the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman by Philippine authorities in waters disputed by both sides.

“Noong una, ‘yung hotel nagpa-reserve kami, meron daw. Pagdating doon ayaw na kaming tanggapin at wala raw bakanteng kuwarto,” Perez, chairman of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office, told reporters during his arrival at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Thursday.

PHL envoy experiences unfriendly service in Taiwan hotels | Pinoy Abroad | GMA News Online

Even our Philippine envoy experienced racial discrimination in Taiwan.

If that is true and not another lie, then shame on the Taiwanese for breaking protocol. Even the Soviets did not stoop that low.

 

[Snomannen]

That's not what my HONG KONGER friend told me

#REALITY

I posted this picture in this forum half year ago,
I suppose it is enough reality to you.

 

[filipino_american]

Taipei-Manila Row: Incident does not surprise a veteran captain once detained in Philippines[/URL]

Watching TV news reports about the ongoing diplomatic row between Taiwan and the Philippines, veteran seafarer Chang Chang-lung (張昌&#38534 said he was not at all surprised.

“The trouble is due to the problem of overlapping maritime jurisdictions. If the issue is not resolved, tragedies such as this will occur again,” said Chang, a seasoned sea captain from Pingtung’s Hengchun Peninsula, who has had three perilous encounters with Philippine marine authorities.

The 58-year-old Chang has been a fisherman since his youth.

He recalled his first encounter with a Philippine vessel in 1991, when his ship sailed to about 20 degrees north latitude, a marine area Pingtung sailors call Toudiapsuan (陶疊&#23665 in Hoklo (commonly known as Taiwanese).

Chang said a Philippine naval vessel started approaching his ship at high speed, and he turned his ship around to get away.

“However, our boat was too slow. The Philippine vessel then started shooting at us with machine guns. All of us hid inside the boat’s cabin,” Chang said. “When we got back home, we counted more than 30 bullet holes in the boat.”

After that, Chang said he spent more than NT$3 million (US$100,370) to purchase a new fishing boat with a bigger engine.

“However, in 1997, in the same stretch of water, we were chased by Philippine naval ships and pursued by a military helicopter. Luckily we managed to escape without much damage [to the boat],” the captain said.

A third encounter came in 2001, which he described as a terrible nightmare for him and his crew.

Chang said they had just started to fish early in the morning and did not notice armed men approaching their boat in sampans. The men came aboard to search the boat.

“They had guns, so we could not put up a fight,” Chang said.

“They had a dynamite stick with them and planted it in our cabin as false evidence. We were accused of fishing illegally using dynamite, even though we have not caught anything yet,” Chang said.

His ship and crew were detained and taken to the port of Aparri, at the northern tip of Luzon Island.

Chang said they were put under house arrest for six months and the Philippine authorities demanded US$100,000 for their release.

They were only released to board a flight “to escape back to Taiwan” after paying NT$600,000 (US$19,960) in bribes to Philippine officials, through the assistance of well-connected Chinese Filipinos, Chang said.

“Along with my confiscated ship and the money spent on bribes during our six months in detention, this ‘accidental journey’ cost me about NT$5 million,” he added.

After hearing of his experience, the fishermen of Hengchun Peninsula were scared and nobody dared go into that stretch of water again, he said.

“Since then, only fishermen from Donggang [東港, another Pingtung port to the northwest of Hengchun] would go there, but they are gambling with their lives,” Chang said.

“The Philippine navy always gives us trouble. They have about 17 islands in that stretch of marine territory and they have five different naval units stationed around there,” he said.

“Even with a signed agreement on fishing around one of the islands, Philippine naval units from the other islands would still give us trouble. Filipino fishermen would report Taiwanese fishing boats’ position to their naval units. It was impossible to safeguard ourselves over there,” Chang added.

He also denounced the behavior of Filipino seamen, which he described as “atrocious.”

"When these navy sailors and officers came aboard our boat, they would loot almost everything we had, from raincoats and videotapes to food, tissues and other materials," Chang said.

"If we were lucky, we were allowed to leave and go home, otherwise they would plant evidence against us and confiscate our boat. They would strip the boat’s engine and all the usable instruments. Then they would demand that we pay a heavy fine," he added.

Chang recalled elderly fishermen advising them to keep about NT$500,000 in cash on board, so if their boat was detained by Philippine seamen, giving them the cash usually could ensure the crew’s safety and the boat’s release.

"However, the overlapping economic exclusion zones of Taiwan and the Philippines are troublesome. If our own government does not take strong action to resolve the matter, Taiwanese fishermen may have to give up this large fishing area. Or else, the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 27 incident will not be the last," Chang said.

No wonder...

The Bureau of Fishing and Aquatic Resources (BFAR) on Friday said Taiwanese make up the majority of the poachers caught over the years in the Batanes group of islands, where a Taiwanese fisherman was recently killed in an encounter with Philippine authorities.

About two to three Taiwanese are caught poaching each year in the Batanes group of islands, northern Philippines

Now you just verified that

1. Taiwanese people DO NOT FOLLOW INTERNATIONAL LAW

2. Taiwanese Government DO NOT EDUCATE her people where to FISH LEGALLY

3. Taiwanese people has a LONG HISTORY of violating and NOT respecting other NATION'S SOVEREIGNTY

AND YET THEY BLAME THE PHILIPPINES FOR EVERYTHING


ENOUGH SAID

 

[filipino_american]

Taipei-Manila Row: Incident does not surprise a veteran captain once detained in Philippines[/URL]

Watching TV news reports about the ongoing diplomatic row between Taiwan and the Philippines, veteran seafarer Chang Chang-lung (張昌&#38534 said he was not at all surprised.

“The trouble is due to the problem of overlapping maritime jurisdictions. If the issue is not resolved, tragedies such as this will occur again,” said Chang, a seasoned sea captain from Pingtung’s Hengchun Peninsula, who has had three perilous encounters with Philippine marine authorities.

The 58-year-old Chang has been a fisherman since his youth.

He recalled his first encounter with a Philippine vessel in 1991, when his ship sailed to about 20 degrees north latitude, a marine area Pingtung sailors call Toudiapsuan (陶疊&#23665 in Hoklo (commonly known as Taiwanese).

Chang said a Philippine naval vessel started approaching his ship at high speed, and he turned his ship around to get away.

“However, our boat was too slow. The Philippine vessel then started shooting at us with machine guns. All of us hid inside the boat’s cabin,” Chang said. “When we got back home, we counted more than 30 bullet holes in the boat.”

After that, Chang said he spent more than NT$3 million (US$100,370) to purchase a new fishing boat with a bigger engine.

“However, in 1997, in the same stretch of water, we were chased by Philippine naval ships and pursued by a military helicopter. Luckily we managed to escape without much damage [to the boat],” the captain said.

A third encounter came in 2001, which he described as a terrible nightmare for him and his crew.

Chang said they had just started to fish early in the morning and did not notice armed men approaching their boat in sampans. The men came aboard to search the boat.

“They had guns, so we could not put up a fight,” Chang said.

“They had a dynamite stick with them and planted it in our cabin as false evidence. We were accused of fishing illegally using dynamite, even though we have not caught anything yet,” Chang said.

His ship and crew were detained and taken to the port of Aparri, at the northern tip of Luzon Island.

Chang said they were put under house arrest for six months and the Philippine authorities demanded US$100,000 for their release.

They were only released to board a flight “to escape back to Taiwan” after paying NT$600,000 (US$19,960) in bribes to Philippine officials, through the assistance of well-connected Chinese Filipinos, Chang said.

“Along with my confiscated ship and the money spent on bribes during our six months in detention, this ‘accidental journey’ cost me about NT$5 million,” he added.

After hearing of his experience, the fishermen of Hengchun Peninsula were scared and nobody dared go into that stretch of water again, he said.

“Since then, only fishermen from Donggang [東港, another Pingtung port to the northwest of Hengchun] would go there, but they are gambling with their lives,” Chang said.

“The Philippine navy always gives us trouble. They have about 17 islands in that stretch of marine territory and they have five different naval units stationed around there,” he said.

“Even with a signed agreement on fishing around one of the islands, Philippine naval units from the other islands would still give us trouble. Filipino fishermen would report Taiwanese fishing boats’ position to their naval units. It was impossible to safeguard ourselves over there,” Chang added.

He also denounced the behavior of Filipino seamen, which he described as “atrocious.”

"When these navy sailors and officers came aboard our boat, they would loot almost everything we had, from raincoats and videotapes to food, tissues and other materials," Chang said.

"If we were lucky, we were allowed to leave and go home, otherwise they would plant evidence against us and confiscate our boat. They would strip the boat’s engine and all the usable instruments. Then they would demand that we pay a heavy fine," he added.

Chang recalled elderly fishermen advising them to keep about NT$500,000 in cash on board, so if their boat was detained by Philippine seamen, giving them the cash usually could ensure the crew’s safety and the boat’s release.

"However, the overlapping economic exclusion zones of Taiwan and the Philippines are troublesome. If our own government does not take strong action to resolve the matter, Taiwanese fishermen may have to give up this large fishing area. Or else, the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 27 incident will not be the last," Chang said.

The INTERVIEWEE also SHOULD HAVE ASKED MR. CHANG:

What the heck were you doing in the Philippine WATERS in the first place??? ANY GOOD EXCUSE??? Didn't you know what you did was illegal under International Law?

I'd agree. That is one mistake Ma has made, keep demanding for an apology, when the real issues are determining if the shooting was warranted and compensation.

I hardly think the moment happened like a movie scene. If I had to use a movie to describe it, I would probably say the "Killing Field" to describe what had happened - 42 out of 52 shots aimed at the Captains cabin, while he was running away, not presenting any danger to anyone. Even assuming , for the sake of argument, that he ignored the blare horn and continue to fish, and then try to back up the ship and try to ram the 80ton steel ship with his 30 ton fiberglass boat on high seas, risking killing his son and son in law, in order to run away from the PCG boat, the coastguard said they backed up, and then went forward (as though they peeled rubber) almost hitting the coastguard ship, and but for the coastguard's quick reverse, the fishing boat 1/3 the size would have collided with the coastguard. B/c the fishing boat resisted the warning to stop, they ordered the shooting..

Questions:

1) how fast was the fishing boat going when it shifted from reverse to forward that almost collided with the coastguard? such that the coastguard had enough time to reverse the gear to avoid collision? remember, this all happened on water, not land.
2) If a collision was avoided, how was the coastguard in danger when it gave chase? it was the one chasing, not being chased, and there was no other information provided that would indicate a danger to the coastguard. Are you saying they were going so fast on water that the boat could have flipped over? that's absurd.
3) If the coastguard intended to shoot the engine, why did 42 of the 52 bullets landed in the captain's cabin? and then, they claim "accidental" killing. How can it be accidental when you aimed most of your shots at the captain?

RUBBISH, LIES,

Now Aguino is telling the world press that Ma is jealous of Aguino for having such high ratings in his own country, unlike Ma, and say the sanctions are a way to bully the smaller country. He has turned this serious matter into a circus sideshow between him and Ma.

WOW, WHO IS BEING DECEPTIVE?

by the way, where is the video to prove the PCG story to NBI? I don't think they will produce that for a while, and when they do, its probably heavily edited, and the one minutia part that supports the story will appear blurry and questionable, leaving all viewers in a quandary.

Before I answer your QUESTIONS

What the heck was the TAIWANESE fishing vessel doing in the Philippine TERRITORIAL WATERS in the first place??? ANY GOOD EXCUSE???

Let's start probing from the ROOT

 

[filipino_american]

The Filipinos are definitely in the wrong here, why? because the victim here was just one old fishermen whose nationalistic view probably clouded his sense of safety, but this gives no right for the the Philippines to open fire continuously and subsequently KILL the old man. I can't believe how incompetent and irresponsible these Filipino coast guards are.

Even with the island disputes with Japan , the Japanese never killed anyone; they just shoot water or arrest people, like what the Philippines should of done...but no, it is clear this country is a warmongering nation that wants to drag the US into supporting the Philippines blood lust. But too bad for the Philippines, The US will be neutral when conflict does ensue.

Here is a 2 min video of facts on what happened there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j5JzRUQZdwo

sorry if its been posted already, I can't be stuffed reading 40+ pages of cap locks and seizure red texts.

Also, the picture posted by that whiny mushroom tip licking Zero Wing; red neck hill billies put signs similar to that on their property which is fitting considering the Philippines is also a country filled with red necks.

First of ALL to begin with

What the heck was the TAIWANESE fishing vessel doing in the Philippine TERRITORIAL WATERS in the first place??? ANY GOOD EXCUSE???

Because of you, I remain hopeful this conflict will resolve amicably.

if half of the people in Philippines voice concerns like you, I am sure Ma will quickly back down on the sanctions.

Ma is the cleanest president Taiwan has ever had, but too naïve and not enough cunning -- typical Harvard grad.

Don't be deceived by WU MAOS.

also EDUCATION is nothing if your ACTIONS are very UNEDUCATED.