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Taiwan can respond to assassination of unarmed fisherman by the Philippines

the prima facie evidence is the crew on the pcg are insane, reckless and brutal
the government of the philippines are inept, lying and insincere
they may also be indicted on counts of falsifying evidences (the video and others) and obstruction of the course of justice
The court proceedings are just the last procedure to give verdicts to the criminals

you and your prejudice on the case. why dismiss the other side's statement that easily? You even haven't seen the video of the incident.(i doubt that it will be made public. i think the taiwanese investigators were allowed to see the video. notice the absence of the clamor for the supposed video evidence ) .



sorry, our justice system is way different from PRC's. We try individuals here to know if he is guilty or not.
 
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you are manipulative trying to defy the truthfulness of the event
if you are not put under sanctions, the criminals would have escaped from the justice of the world (under the protection of your inept government) FOREVER!

what's the truth? we don't even know it yet. both governments are on the case. The investigations hasn't yet concluded.

it would help if you would listen to others, not just what you want the "truth" should be.

the threat sanctions was new, it did not force us to do the investigation.
 
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United States lawmakers urges Philippines to apologize. Uh oh, your daddy has spoken. Now do as we say or else :devil:
 
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the report above is absurb. the statements are manufactured

why the philippines government does not allow a joint investigation?

who said the government didn't allow a joint investigation? the TW authorities were here. Is that what you call truth?
 
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The government did already apologize, but the Taiwan government keeps on rejecting it.
 
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If the Philippine BFAR crew DID NOT fire at the TAIWANESE FISHING BOAT, they would have been rammed and possibly might have been KILLED or injured seriously. I salute those FILIPINOS for their BREVARY in defending the SOVEREIGNTY of the NATION.

Again, the TW BOAT CAPTAIN'S VIOLENT BEHAVIOR and illegal entry CAUSED his life


Taiwan deserves SYMPATHY but not an APOLOGY!

this is why Taiwan should assert its authorities over any and all disputed areas, destroy any manun warships/ planes that come close, and arrest all manun fishing boats in the area for poaching.

Taiwan DOES NOT DESERVE any FORM of APOLOGY at all.

First of all, the TAIWANESE vessel ENTERED the Philippine TERRITORIAL WATERS.

Under INTERNATIONAL LAW, the Territorial Waters of the Philippines are SOLELY under the DIRECT JURISDICTION OF THE PHILIPPINES. FISHING IN THE AREA IS EXCLUSIVE TO THE FILIPINOS ONLY. NO FOREIGN NATIONALS ALLOWED.

The Philippines is an Archipelagic NATION and that is why it has more territorial waters compared to the other countries.


The TAIWANESE vessel tried to RAM the Phil's small BFAR BOAT (not even a Cost Guard) and that justified the SHOOTING of the engine. The Captain of the TAIWANESE SHIP WAS just in the wrong place.

The statement of RAMMING is VERY LIKELY as the sizes of both Taiwan fishing boat and the Phil BFAR boat were ALMOST the SAME.

Also, the SANCTIONS will not AFFECT the Philippines MOST, it will affect TAIWAN MOST.

Taiwan is NOT a recognized country, most countries DONT HAVE RELATIONS with TAIWAN.

The Philippines is the NEWEST RISING ASIAN TIGER according to the world bank.


Fil. OFWs are VERY MARKETABLE as they are VERY FLUENT in ENGLISH. They can JUST GO EASILY to any country accepting OFWs like JAPAN, SINGAPORE, the middle east etc.

Taiwan is NOT A MAJOR Phil. trading partner and "NOT" one of the "MOST" OFW "favorite" destinations.

As I've said, the Philippines is a RISING TIGER. The Philippines is continuously resisting the slowing economy of the world. Surprisingly, its economy GREW more than expected last time I checked the news (even with CHINA'S SANCTION last year). The Philippines is the second fastest growing economy in ASIA after China, THE NEWEST RISING TIGER, and according to the exerts the STRONGEST ECONOMY in ASIA today. The Philippines is expected to become the world's 14th largest economy in the world by 2050 according to not just one economist but a lot including WORLD recognized agencies like the world bank, imf, hsbc etc.

Taiwan NEEDS FILIPINOS but the PHILIPPINES dont need TAIWAN that much.


The TAIWANESE PRESIDENT must be crazy.

The Philippines HEAVILY SUPPORTED ROC over PRC. Taiwan DID NOT THINK.

it should be this way:

1. Taiwan should APOLOGIZE to the Philippines FOR "illegally" ENTERING ITS TERRITORIAL WATERS.

2. Taiwan should APOLOGIZE to the Philippines FOR NOT EDUCATING ITS PEOPLE THAT THEY INDEED ENTERED WATERS THAT WERE NOT THEIRS under INTERNATIONAL LAW.

3. Taiwan should APOLOGIZE to the Philippines FOR TRYING TO RAM their vessel hence ENDANGERING the lives of the BFAR'S crew who were just doing their job.


Taiwan has too much PRIDE, they should ADMIT THE FACT that the DEATH of their countrymen was the RESULT of their ILLEGAL ENTRY and their VIOLENT (ramming) behavior.

I support the STATEMENT:

Taiwan DESERVES SYMPATHY but NOT APOLOGY!

The Phil Gov SHOULD HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED to TAIWAN.

This guy alone should be a good reason to take over all islands north of the 30th parallel
 
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who said the government didn't allow a joint investigation? the TW authorities were here. Is that what you call truth?

2013-05-15 09:30:30 AM
Taiwan has slammed Manila's response to the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman in disputed waters as less than formal or sincere, and says it is recalling its representative and will discourage travel to the Philippines.

Premier Jiang Yi-huah said Wednesday that the government was displeased with the informal apology delivered early in the day by the Philippine representative office in Taipei.

Chiang said Taiwan will not accept anything short of a Philippine government apology.

Philippine coast guard personnel opened fire on a Taiwanese fishing vessel in the Bashi Strait last Thursday, killing the fisherman.

Chiang said the navy and coast guard will stage an exercise in the area to show Taiwan's naval strength. He said a hiring freeze of Philippine workers in Taiwan will also take effecT.

The Philippines' de facto Ambassador to Taipei, Antonio Basilio, had arrived on Tuesday at the Taiwanese Ministry of Foreign affairs in Taipei to deliver a letter of goodwill towards Taiwan.

At a joint news conference with Taiwanese Foreign Minister David Lin, Basilio said the Philippines government had agreed to pay compensation to the fisherman's family and promised a joint investigation into the incident.

The Philippines coast guard opened fire on a Taiwanese fishing vessel in the Bashi Strait last Thursday, killing 65-year-old Hung Shih-cheng.

The strait is between Taiwan and the northern Philippines.

The Philippines coast guard admitted it fired the shots that killed the fisherman, but said it acted in self-defence because the Taiwanese vessel was about to ram it.


Taiwan's foreign minister David Lin said its response to the shooting would be fully formed once Chairman Perez had arrived in Taipei and verified issues that the Taiwanese government had requested.


Updated May 16, 2013 - 10:00pm

MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) - The Philippines turned down today Taiwan's request of participating in the investigation into the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine Coast Guard last week.

Responding to a question on the arrival of Taiwanese investigators for a joint probe into the shooting incident, Philippine Presidential Spokesman Edwin Lacierda denied that a joint investigation of the incident had been approved.

"I'm not aware of any approval of any joint investigation," Lacierda said, adding, "As far as I know, Secretary of Justice Leila de Lima has not been made aware of the presence of the investigators."

He said there are protocols to be observed under a Mutual Legal Assistance arrangement.

On another occasion, the justice secretary told reporters today, "I don't think we can agree to a joint investigation because we're a sovereign country. We have our own processes. We have our own justice system."


from day one, your government kept changing their statement . smh
 
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2013-05-15 09:30:30 AM
Taiwan has slammed Manila's response to the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman in disputed waters as less than formal or sincere, and says it is recalling its representative and will discourage travel to the Philippines.

Premier Jiang Yi-huah said Wednesday that the government was displeased with the informal apology delivered early in the day by the Philippine representative office in Taipei.

Chiang said Taiwan will not accept anything short of a Philippine government apology.

Philippine coast guard personnel opened fire on a Taiwanese fishing vessel in the Bashi Strait last Thursday, killing the fisherman.

Chiang said the navy and coast guard will stage an exercise in the area to show Taiwan's naval strength. He said a hiring freeze of Philippine workers in Taiwan will also take effecT.

The Philippines' de facto Ambassador to Taipei, Antonio Basilio, had arrived on Tuesday at the Taiwanese Ministry of Foreign affairs in Taipei to deliver a letter of goodwill towards Taiwan.

At a joint news conference with Taiwanese Foreign Minister David Lin, Basilio said the Philippines government had agreed to pay compensation to the fisherman's family and promised a joint investigation into the incident.

The Philippines coast guard opened fire on a Taiwanese fishing vessel in the Bashi Strait last Thursday, killing 65-year-old Hung Shih-cheng.

The strait is between Taiwan and the northern Philippines.

The Philippines coast guard admitted it fired the shots that killed the fisherman, but said it acted in self-defence because the Taiwanese vessel was about to ram it.


Taiwan's foreign minister David Lin said its response to the shooting would be fully formed once Chairman Perez had arrived in Taipei and verified issues that the Taiwanese government had requested.


Updated May 16, 2013 - 10:00pm

MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) - The Philippines turned down today Taiwan's request of participating in the investigation into the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine Coast Guard last week.

Responding to a question on the arrival of Taiwanese investigators for a joint probe into the shooting incident, Philippine Presidential Spokesman Edwin Lacierda denied that a joint investigation of the incident had been approved.

"I'm not aware of any approval of any joint investigation," Lacierda said, adding, "As far as I know, Secretary of Justice Leila de Lima has not been made aware of the presence of the investigators."

He said there are protocols to be observed under a Mutual Legal Assistance arrangement.

On another occasion, the justice secretary told reporters today, "I don't think we can agree to a joint investigation because we're a sovereign country. We have our own processes. We have our own justice system."


from day one, your government kept changing their statement . smh

USA supporting Taiwan now. Pinoy government have no one else to run to :rofl:
 
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this is why Taiwan should assert its authorities over any and all disputed areas, destroy any manun warships/ planes that come close, and arrest all manun fishing boats in the area for poaching.

Please tone down the warmongering rhetoric.

a clearer satellite image of the Philippines
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and where the incident took place.
i42.tinypic.com/rrsizq.jpg

tell me if it happened in disputed waters or not.
 
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PCG describes Balintang Channel incident - 'like a scene from an action movie'
By Leonard D. Postrado
Published: May 16, 2013
Pingtung,TAIWAN - Taiwan policemen inspect bullet holes on the damaged "Guang Ta Hsin 28 " fishing boat (C) at Liuqiu harbor, southern Pingtung county early on May 11, 2013. The Philippines admitted on May 10 that its coastguard fired at a Taiwanese fishing boat in an incident that authorities in Taipei said left a crewman dead and triggered widespread outrage on the island. AFP PHOTO

The way the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) described the May 9 shooting of Taiwanese fishermen off the coast of Balintang island was like telling a scene out of an action movie: a government vessel precariously dodging two fishing boats that tried to sink the law enforcer's ship as they engaged the bad guys in a high seas chase.

A three-page, incident report of the PCG that was obtained by the Manila Bulletin from a PCG insider showed how the Taiwanese fishermen violently and dangerously tried to evade their arrest after they were caught poaching at the sea located some 39 nautical miles off Bantayan Island.

The report, which was corroborated by a video on the maritime incident in Balintang Channel last May 9 that resulted to the death of a 65-year-old Taiwanese fisherman, was among the documents submitted by the PCG to the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) since the bureau commenced its investigation on Wednesday.

“One of the Taiwanese vessel maneuvered to ramp our starboard bow. This unit executed reverse [gear] to avoid collision,” said the PCG report.

Based on the report, the MCS-3001, a 35-meter vessel jointly manned by the Coast Guard and personnel from the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR), set sail in the northern part of Batanes last May 8, 2013, to conduct seaborne patrol and monitoring control and surveillance against illegal fishing.

The following day, the PCG-BFAR spotted several radio beacon with two floating buoy markers some 39 nautical miles, east of Balintang Islands. They suspected that the buoys were long lines of Taiwanese fishing vessels. Soon after spotting the buoys, the PCG-BFAR was able to find the location of the Taiwanese fishing boats.

They claimed that the Taiwanese fishermen had resisted to stop from their tracks while local sea authorities repeatedly fired warning shots in mid-air and blared their vessel's horn at the foreigners.

“While on meeting situation, this unit then sounded warning through PA system and blow horn for the Taiwanese fishing vessel to stop for the conduct of fishing.. [The PCG] fired warning shots to alert the fishing vessel until the fishing vessel stopped and one of the crew of the fishing vesseel went outside,” the PCG said.

But when the MCS-3001 vessel of PCG-BFAR was almost alongside of one of the fishing boat named Guang Ta Hsin-28, the PCG claimed that the engine of the Taiwanese vessel whirred to life, and the boat manuevered backward before speeding forward and it almost collided with the government ship's stern.

The patient Philippine authorities fired another round of warning shots but the Taiwanese vessel resisted to stop and engaged the PCG-BFAR in a high-speed sea chase. As a result, the commanding officer of the MCS-3001 ordered to open fire at Guang Ta Hsin-28 to disable its engine but accidentally killed Taiwanese fisherman named Hung Shih-cheng.

“To stop the fishing vessel, this unit announced to fire for effects the engine side section of said Taiwanese fishing vessel to immobilize her [boat] and stop her [boat] engine,” the report said.

While chasing after Guang Ta Hsin, the PCG-BFAR spotted at least two, new unidentified boats - one white and one gray – and this prompt them to disengage from their chase and leave as they were already outnumbered.

Meanwhile, a Department of Justice (DOJ) source, who refused to be named for the lack of authority to speak, confirmed that the NBI had already interviewed at least five to seven BFAR personnel who were with the PCG during the May 9, 2013 high-sea shooting incident.

The source said that the testimony of BFAR personnel will be useful in order for probers to determine the truthfulness of the three-page report submitted by the PCG and on whether the Coast Guard observed the so-called rules of engagement.

“Very crucial ang testimony nila kasi what we will know from them what could be the basis of the coast guard to fire at the Taiwanese. BFAR owned the vessel but the Coast Guard manages it so the PCG is in control at the time of the incident,” the source explained.

The source also confirmed that the NBI has already asked more or less than 15 PCG personnel to appear before the bureau today in order to give their seperate statements.

On Wednesday, the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) said they have started a fact-finding investigation on the death of a 65-year old Taiwanese fisherman who was shot dead personnel of the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) last week after their fishing vessel strayed into Philippine territorial waters.

NBI Director Nonnatus Caesar Rojas said the composite team made up of agents, technical people, forensic experts and lawyers is headed by NBI Deputy Director for Regional Operation Services Atty. Virgilio Mendez.

“We have to do this investigation as fast as we can, We are ready with this. All out ang effort dito and this would involve as many bureau personnel and as much resources as we can in order to finished this as soon as possible to come up with a credible and exhaustive result,” Rojas told reporters yesterday afternoon.

As a fact-finding probe, Rojas said the team would investigate the circumstances surrounding the incident , the reason why the death happened and other surrounding circumstances and other matter related to the case.

He said they have already made preliminary discussions with the PCG on the investigation and that the PCG Commandant Rear Admiral Rodolfo Isorena has assured them of their cooperation.

“As far as the NBI is concerned we would do a credible, exhaustive, honest-to-goodness investigation and we are also very thankful to the PCG that they have signified this early their full cooperation and support,” he added.

For his part, Mendez said they have made a request to the PCG for the turn-over of the firearms of the Coast Guard personnel on board the patrol craft that figured in the incident with the Taiwanese fishing vessel at Balintang Channel near Batanes in extreme Northern Luzon.

Killed the incident was Hung Shih-cheng. His son-in-law and an Indonesian fisherman were also on board the vessel “Kuang Ta Hsing No.28 when the shots were fired.

“That is the action that we initially took. We made a formal request for documents and the turn-over of firearms,” Mendez said adding that they were assured by Isorena of their cooperation.

He said they also asked the PCG to furnish them the list of the crew of the patrol craft and pictures and videos of the incident if there are.

Mendez also said that they are prepared to send a team to Taiwan if they will be able to acquire the necessary clearance so that they can also take a look at the fishing vessel and interview their crew.

There are currently 87,000 OFWs Taiwan, mostly working in the electronics and textile industry sectors, and labor authorities said nearly 2,000 new applications are submitted monthly.

Two years ago, Taiwan also temporarily expanded the screening period for OFWs and threatened to freeze hiring over a diplomatic row sparked when Manila deported Taiwanese nationals involved in a scam to China.

This editorial is a joke, just like all the arguments made by all the Flips in here.
1) How can you describe a slaughter like an "action movie"? the boat was riddled with 50+ bullets from the Starboard side of an UNARMED fishing boat.
2) The fishing boat began running b/c from experience the 65 year old man didn't want to be arrested on a trumped up charge of "Forgery" of a fishing permit he paid a hefty price for to the Flip govt.
3) The boat was in disputed territory, so if you manuns think its okay to arrest and shoot at fishing boats in disputed water, then Taiwan should be allowed to do the same, so then I guess it depends on who has a better and more discipline military (I think everyone knows the answer).
4) the shooting occurred during a chase, as admitted by the manun rogue soldiers, who actually caught up to the fishing boat as the shots were fired at the starboard side of the fishing boat, which means they fired at close range.

Of course these preliminary statements are disturbingly lacking in details, which would take more than "3 pages" to fill, one cannot help but ask: was it necessary to shoot at a fishing boat engine 52 times with unidentified high-power guns, like the M60, with metal piercing rounds, at close range, and at UNARMED CIVIILIANS???

PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FU CK NO, YOU MURDERING BASTARDS.
 
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Please tone down the warmongering rhetoric.

a clearer satellite image of the Philippines
1.bp.blogspot.com/-6WUIBiYCk9Y/UY9JXiLtQ8I/AAAAAAABGt8/bu4MoF848zc/s1600/Taiwanese%2BFishermen%2BShoot%2BDead%2Bby%2BPhilippine%2BCoast%2BGuard%2B%2509in%2BBalintang%2BChannel%2Bin%2Bthe%2BPhilippines-725051.png

and where the incident took place.
i42.tinypic.com/rrsizq.jpg

tell me if it's disputed or not.

tell me if it happened in disputed waters or not.

believe me, it is in disputed waters. If not, then it will not be a dispute any more from now.
 
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so Taiwan authorities had examined the fisherman boat and found out that the fisherman boat was shot by PCG from behind and left side , i would love to see how the Filipinos going to explain the ramming/self defense thing now.......
 
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This editorial is a joke, just like all the arguments made by all the Flips in here.
1) How can you describe a slaughter like an "action movie"? the boat was riddled with 50+ bullets from the Starboard side of an UNARMED fishing boat.
2) The fishing boat began running b/c from experience the 65 year old man didn't want to be arrested on a trumped up charge of "Forgery" of a fishing permit he paid a hefty price for to the Flip govt.
3) The boat was in disputed territory, so if you manuns think its okay to arrest and shoot at fishing boats in disputed water, then Taiwan should be allowed to do the same, so then I guess it depends on who has a better and more discipline military (I think everyone knows the answer).
4) the shooting occurred during a chase, as admitted by the manun rogue soldiers, who actually caught up to the fishing boat as the shots were fired at the starboard side of the fishing boat, which means they fired at close range.

Of course these preliminary statements are disturbingly lacking in details, which would take more than "3 pages" to fill, one cannot help but ask: was it necessary to shoot at a fishing boat engine 52 times with unidentified high-power guns, like the M60, with metal piercing rounds, at close range, and at UNARMED CIVIILIANS???

PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FU CK NO, YOU MURDERING BASTARDS.

1. Our government authorities can be really insensitive.
2. where did you get that info. can you please give us links to that.
3. Maps that were shown to the Taiwanese public made it look like the incident took place far from the nearest Philippine coast.
a clearer satellite imagery.
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Info. an M60 can fire hundreds of rounds per minute.

If you carefully read the excerpt you posted. the shooting was justified if there was really an attempt to ram the CG ship.
 
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