Tahir ul Qadri's Vision for Pakistan CNN.com

[TheFlyingPretzel]

• Conduct of the election
• Non accountability
• Dragging judicial process
• Not filing an FIR for the murder of 15 Pakistani citizens
• Detaining political activists
  
  Are these not questionable?

Have I said they are not?

 

[Kompromat]

you think he has TUQ has good intentions???

He is a human being therefore has his drawbacks but i have no doubts on his intentions.

 

[fani_spy]

There should be Electoral change only.NO Inquilab
72% Pakistanis have negative feeling about Tahir Qadri.
His party fought elections in 2002..They got only one seat.They got 0.7 votes.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Hence, my second line. This is NOt the way to do it.

Point 1, 2 : Target subsidies that the government provides to everyone to the select. For Example: government stores to sell food to the poor.
Point 3: Make apartments for the homeless.
Point 4: Tough.
Point 5: Open up government jobs to women. Allow cases of discrimination based on gender.
Point 6: Make it necessary for anyone who wants to be a doctor do pro bono work, the government pays for the medical equipment.
Point 7: Aren't government schools already free? Make education mandatory up to grade 10. And fines/ prison for violations.
Point 8: Laws. Take away the property of Shariff/ Zardari there goes plenty of land to the poor farmers.
Point 9: I'm not in Pakland, I dont know the level of discrepancy

 

[Kompromat]

Have I said they are not?

No you have not, though i'd like to have your opinion which is not one sided most of the time.

 

[SBD-3]

I answered him with his broad experience. He has been elected multiple times to NA and runs one of the largest charities and education chains in Asia. I know Dr Qadri Personally, we are from the same town.

That again doesn't answer the question......

I am all for it. It is exactly what we need.

But this is hardly the way to get it done.

and exactly what is number 10 about?

Revolutionary policy to eliminate terrorism, extremism and sectarianism and establishment of peace training centers across Pakistan.
As it states
1-He will lead a march against Talibans and surround NWA agency and demand Maulvi Fazlullah and Company to kill themselves....Same will happen with all other terrorists and sects....
2-He will provide Pakistanis with the same training of peace which he claimed to provide to that captured policeman in his dharna. Capturing them, beating them, then embarsing them, making photos with them while they be holding pistols and then letting them go....
I think something like this should explain 10

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

No you have not, though i'd like to have your opinion which is not one sided most of the time.

• Conduct of the election

• Non accountability

• Dragging judicial process

• Not filing an FIR for the murder of 15 Pakistani citizens

• Detaining political activists

Imran Khan promised proof which would show, beyond all doubt that the result of the entire 2013 elections were rigged in favour of the PML-N. Unfortunately he has not been forthcoming with that proof. That does not go to suggest that the elections were without fault. There is sufficient videographic evidence on record which shows the balloting in certain constituencies being conducted in a manner corroborating the allegations of rigging which have come forth since.

Personally, and I am saying this while not having kept myself informed with the status of the majority of the election petitions pending before the Election Tribunal, I feel there should be a re-election in those constituencies where the record shows that the balloting may not have been 100% transparent. In addition to that, if the Judicial Commission's probe finds any other constituency where the election result may have been tampered with post-balloting, that result should be declared without effect and, where possible, the correct result be declared ex post facto.

It is unfortunate to see that the federal government exercises enough clout over both the executives and the judiciary to be able to deny the victims of the Model Town incident the rightful registration of their FIR. As a matter of fact, I find it alarming, to say the least. Regardless of a person's official capacity, and in the absence of any protection which the law may offer him - as the law does the Chief Minister and the Prime Minister by virtue of Article 248 of the Constitution, all state functionaries are, and should be, accountable to the courts of law for actions which are indicative of the illegal and corrupt use of the power conferred upon them.

Article 248:

"The President, a Governor, the Prime Minister, a Federal Minister, a Minister of State, the Chief Minister and a Provincial Minister shall not he answerable to any court for the exercise of powers and performance of functions of their respective offices or for any act done or purported to be done in the exercise of those powers and performance of those functions:

Provided that nothing in this clause shall be construed as restricting the right of any person to bring appropriate proceedings against the Federation or a Province."

Lastly, I have no qualm with the detention of political activists where there is a legal reason to continue denying them their liberties in light of the penal and civil codes of Pakistan. Detaining or incarcerating them without reason is in excess of the applicable law and therefore recourse can be made to Article 199(b)(i) of the Constitution:

On the application of any person, make an order-

(i) Directing that a person in custody within the territorial jurisdiction of the Court be brought before it so that the Court may satisfy itself that he is not being held in custody without lawful authority or in an unlawful manner.

This is the very provision under which a significant portion of the Missing Persons cases of Balochistan are being pursued. Unlike the PAT activists, however, the Balochis are significantly less fortunate.

Edit: Also if I may add in passing, Article 199 is the jurisdiction of the High Court to try matters involving habeas corpus and illegal incarceration and, therefore, unlike most of the other laws dealing with similar matters an exceptionally powerful tool to seek the release of political activists who have been subjected to the disproportionate use of force by the State. But bring the army into the equation and the balance of power tips away from the judicature.

 

[waz]

He understated the population by quite a bit.

 

[Spy Master]

I was not in favour of him 3-4 days ago,but after listening his points which are VALID i am inclined towards him...but at last it all comes to WILL...

 

[Asian.Century]

All 10 points is good...problem is Implementation !!!

 

[invinciblesgunner]

Vision is good, but the execution is lacking..

 

[A1Kaid]

The man is a Canadian citizen not once did he run his mouth during the Zardari administration, he is a paid agent for sure.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Not really, you need tons of $$$ to run all of these 'welfare' programs.Where does he plan on getting those? Either you print your own or increase taxes. In the case of former, you'll be digging a deeper hole. In case of the latter, you have to do painful reforms which your sponsors and feudals won't like.

Ever wonder why revenue generation is always missing from these falana and falana point agendas? Yes, because that is the hardest thing to do.

What sells best? Garbage promises like free food, clothes, jobs. Didn't Zulfi Bhutto did the same? What makes TuQ stand out?

My fellow Pakistanis, please think with your brains.

So you are saying that we should just sit down and accept what is given to us because thats all we good for and not make an effort to change our condition? We understand that things will not change overnight but come on we need to start thinking positive in order to achieve prosperity of our nation. We are tired of pmls and ppp and all of their false promises for past 40 years.

That again doesn't answer the question......


Revolutionary policy to eliminate terrorism, extremism and sectarianism and establishment of peace training centers across Pakistan.
As it states
1-He will lead a march against Talibans and surround NWA agency and demand Maulvi Fazlullah and Company to kill themselves....Same will happen with all other terrorists and sects....
2-He will provide Pakistanis with the same training of peace which he claimed to provide to that captured policeman in his dharna. Capturing them, beating them, then embarsing them, making photos with them while they be holding pistols and then letting them go....
I think something like this should explain 10

Well i wonder how anyone will treat a policeman who come to your house on orders from a corrupt politican and without justification open fires and kill people. So we should follow N league politics jis ki lathi us ki bahians and beg them to feed us and not to retaliate even when they murder us steal from us and are unjust. Look man self defense is a God given right and especially when you didnt commit any crime and someone is out to harm you.

 

[OrionHunter]

Social-economic package

1. Every low-paid lower class will be provided daily necessities (food items etc) at half price;
2. Every low-paid lower class will be exempt for paying taxes on utility bills & will offered at half price;
3. Every homeless will be given a house; middle class family will be provided interest-free loans;
4. Every unemployed person will be given adequate employment;
5. Women to be provided employment;
6. State health insurance system will be developed for free medical treatment;
7. Free and compulsory education and modernization of education system;
8. Free 5-10 acres of agriculture land for poor farmers;
9. Disparity between pay structures of public and private employees to be minimized;
10. Revolutionary policy to eliminate terrorism, extremism and sectarianism and establishment of peace training centers across Pakistan.

Wow! Seems he's bent on making Pakistan bankrupt. All these schemes are going to cost the Earth!

Like doling out 10 acres of agri land to the lower class, free education, food at half prices, no taxes (The rich don't pay taxes anyway and he hasn't mentioned how he's gonna milk them!), free health/medical treatment, free homes to the homeless and interest free loans to the others and so on!

How many $$$$$ would these schemes cost? Can Pakistan afford them at this juncture?

For example, 70% fall in the category of lower class in Pakistan. That would be approx 200 million. 10 acres to each would come to 2,000,000,000 acres!! How much would that cost the government?

Ok, let's reduce that to 50,000,000 families getting 5 acres free. That would mean doling out 250,000,000 acres!! 1 acre say costs Rs 1 Lakh. So that amounts to...
Rs 25,000,000,000,000!!!!

This guy has promised Jannat on Earth for the lower working class, but where's the dosh going to come from?

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Wow! Seems he's bent on making Pakistan bankrupt. All these schemes are going to cost the Earth!

Like doling out 10 acres of agri land to the lower class, free education, food at half prices, no taxes (The rich don't pay taxes anyway and he hasn't mentioned how he's gonna milk them!), free health/medical treatment, free homes to the homeless and interest free loans to the others and so on!

How many $$$$$ would these schemes cost? Can Pakistan afford them at this juncture?

For example, 70% fall in the category of lower class in Pakistan. That would be approx 200 million. 10 acres to each would come to 2,000,000,000 acres!! How much would that cost the government?

Trust me Pakistan have more money than you think only if these corrupt politicians are kicked out. Its their luxuries which keeps us back. An example of it If a politician is travelling some where on govt trip he will take his whole family with him at no charge costing the airline lots of money.They take out loans in the name of Pakistan and use it for their party politics to buy ministries. They take commissions from investments that people want to invest in Pakistan and many of investments are gone right away.