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Prahaar (Strike in Sanskrit) India's Solid-Fuel Surface-to-Surface Guided Short-range Tactical Ballistic Missile

But first things first: I had bravely predicted that the Obama-Nawaz meeting would last for no more than thirty minutes. It went on for two hours…which means egg on my face and the cup of humility in my hands. Predicting timelines in advance is always a silly undertaking.

The major point remains. The US is a super-duper power. That is still no reason for Pakistani leaders to think that they become baptised in holy water when they go on a pilgrimage there. Easy does it. When will we learn this and when will we cut the hyperbole?

The problem is that we measure everything by an Indian yardstick. Any US-Indian understanding gives us the shivers. More than the US it is India that we should learn to take more calmly. The US feting an Indian prime minister should not mean the end of the world for us. India has its own trajectory to follow and we ours. Seeing everything through an Indian prism scarcely enhances our standing. Yet day in and day out our leaders, both civil and military, keep raising the bogey of an Indian threat.

One of the good things to come from the 1971 war – which we lost and which led to the severance of East Pakistan – was our turning towards the Arab and Muslim world under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. For all the years that he was in power, India was off our radar screens. And we forgot about Kashmir, which was the subtle understanding at Simla. Indeed, for close to 16 years – right until the Kashmir uprising in 1989 – we never raised the subject anywhere.

It was India mismanaging its part of Kashmir, subverting the election process there and stoking the fires of resentment, which provoked the Kashmiris to rise against Indian rule. Had that revolt remained an indigenous affair it would have worked to the advantage of both the Kashmiri people and of Pakistan. But we – by which is meant the higher school of ideological policy, otherwise known as the ISI – had to step in where angels would have exercised greater caution.

It seemed a brilliant idea at the time, tying down umpteen Indian divisions in Indian-held Kashmir. But it has backfired since then, tarring Pakistan with the brush of cross-border terrorism.

What poisoned gifts have we not received from that wellspring of things unintended called the Afghan ‘jihad’? Misplaced triumphalism corrupted the thinking of an entire generation of our military men who, forgetting the American Stingers and the unending stream of dollars channelled through the good offices of the CIA and Saudi intelligence, were seduced by the thought that it was the power of Islam, the power of faith, which had driven the Soviets from the killing fields of Afghanistan.

Nor was that all…they chose to turn faith – or blind belief – into a defining principle of foreign and defence policy. From the cauldron of such thinking arose the doctrine of Kashmir ‘jihad’ – an idea whose time is over but whose vestiges or lingering traces remain in the patronage or indulgence still extended to non-state organisations ostensibly devoted to the liberation of Kashmir.

Kashmir cannot be liberated by arms. This is the overwhelming lesson of our accident-prone history. A strong and prosperous Pakistan, firmly set on the path of development, home to all that is good and uplifting in human thought and endeavour, can be as the North Star to Kashmiri hopes and aspirations. This is what we should aim at. The problem of Taiwan will not be settled overnight. We need to take a similar long-term view of Kashmir.

The lesson of Syria and Iraq, and that of Libya and Afghanistan, is that the meek or the defenceless do not inherit the earth. I recently attended a conference in Hong Kong and it was an eye-opening experience to see a delegate from Nepal and a few from Bangladesh openly and bitterly critical of Indian diktat and interference. With India yet to reach that level of maturity where it stops throwing its weight around vis-à-vis its neighbours, Pakistan cannot afford to lower its guard.

But this awareness is one thing. Paranoia is an altogether different commodity. Our army and air force, not to mention the navy, are enough to deter any notion of aggression – and this remains true even if a third of the army is now employed on the western marches in the war against so-called radical Islamism – an offshoot of: 1) the Afghan ‘jihad’; and 2) the American invasion of Afghanistan.

Without the Americans blundering into Afghanistan, especially the manner in which they went about it, we would still have had our extremism problem. The dragon’s teeth were scattered long ago. But the Americans made it infinitely worse.

I have gone off on a tangent. Despite all current preoccupations, including the military’s engagement along the Durand Line, Pakistan has strength enough to deter any aggression. And our nukes, what are they for? Aren’t they enough of a deterrent?

But if we say, as our generals do, that our strategic nuke capability is still not enough of a deterrent to deter an Indian conventional attack, then it either means that we are dealing with insanity or that our strategic nukes are so useless that they were best kept on a desert island.

This entire thesis rests on a frightening premise. It suggests, first, that India, despite our strategic nukes, can still launch a conventional attack and that to stop that we need smaller nukes – artillery batteries firing short-range nuclear-tipped missiles to stop Indian tanks from overwhelming our defences.

What kind of alarmism is this? If tactical nuclear missiles are the only defence against an Indian tank advance then the first thing we should be doing is disbanding the 1st and 6th armoured divisions – for we are already implying that they won’t be enough to stop an Indian attack. And when we deploy those missiles wouldn’t the Indians follow suit? Then wouldn’t we need more missiles to pre-empt an Indian second nuclear attack, and a third and so on?

This is a slippery path and it has no end. During the cold war the Americans and the Russians tried to match each other bomb for bomb and missile for missile – until they reached the point where each side could destroy not just themselves but the entire planet ten times over. India and Pakistan currently have the capability to destroy each other completely. Once a nuclear exchange starts nothing will be left – not Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad, not Bombay, Calcutta and Delhi. So what are our warriors – from both sides – talking about?

Forget about what the Americans are saying or what their concerns are. We should have the sense to think this through ourselves. India and Pakistan are more than self-sufficient in poverty, people, open-air latrines – incidentally, the largest in the world – tanks and nuclear armaments. Just as they don’t need more poverty they for sure don’t need more nuke bombs and missiles, whatever the fancy doctrines fuelling such crazy notions.

Tailpiece: But all is not grim and dark. The made-to-order survey outfits – Pildat funded by American money and Gallup Pakistan funded by God knows who – can always be depended upon to lighten the public mood. Their surveys, as the initiated know all too well, are largely exercises in unrestrained comedy. The latest Pildat survey puts Nawaz Sharif’s and Shahbaz Sharif’s popularity at near Hosni Mubarak levels. No wonder it has excited laughter far and wide.

Tactical nuclear missiles not a very smart idea - Ayaz Amir
 
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A great article by Ayaz Mir and it is, like always, a treat to read and he raises many pertinent questions but as far as tactical missile and its deployment is concerned; I have an awful conclusion that Mr Mir does not fully appreciate the very particular role of these tactical nuclear weapons and the particular scenario in which it may be used or is the reason for their very creation. With the advent of cold-start doctrine in the strategic planning of our enemy, a quick response and a sufficiently potent weapon was required in case of any eventuality from the ultra belligerent India. Armoured units regardless of number or qualitative edge, are inherently slow and too heavy to respond a rapid attack strike by an agile force. This missile is NOT a replacement for the armoured force but it adds the element of quick and fierce response to any such eventuality and it has served its purpose very well in sending the cold start doctrine to the cold storage if not to the trash.

He also discussed Afghanistan and Kashmir struggles and presented his thoughts. About Afghanistan, I have the opinion that the cause was just but the means were not really thought out and was more of a knee-jerk response to USSR's aggression. As far as, his claim that "Kashmir cannot be liberated by arms" is also half baked since I would like to add that Kashmir cannot be liberated without arms either. The political uprising has been going on since 1947 and apart from a UN resolution (that too as a result of armed conflict between India and Pakistan) nothing has been achieved. UN is either impotent or indifferent to the solution of IOJ&K and US and other western countries have their own businesses to mind than standing for a human cause. As far as, his suggestion about development and prosperity of our country are concerned surely there is no disagreement. A economically strong and technologically advanced Pakistan with vibrancy in culture and freedom of thoughts would surely weigh much more but still will it solve the Kashmir problem without armed struggle?...I am not sure. Do we need to beat the fanaticism, of course we need to do that and I agree with him 100% on that regardless of what is going on within the borders of our eastern enemy.

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India has modified its strategy of Cold Start. Instead of capturing territory in Thar desert, India will attack Pakistan in populated areas of Punjab. This way if Pakistan uses tactical nuclear weapons they will kill more Pakistanis than Indians.
Pakistan has also changed its strategy, instead of waiting for Indian cowards to enter Pakistan, we will attack any mass movement towards our border within indian territory and this way only indians will be dispatched to hell.
 
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That will give India good reason to use strategic nuclear weapon on all major cities of Pakistan.
And you think Pakistan will throw flowers on your cities in response. All Indian major cities (from Delhi to Calcutta, Chennai to Simla) are the marked targets with coordinates fed to the missiles. India has a lot more cities and a lot more to loose.
 
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That will give India good reason to use strategic nuclear weapon on all major cities of Pakistan.

All this talk of nuclear war for what? India has a very bright future ahead,why should India destroy its future by going to wars for no reason with its neighbours
 
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And you think Pakistan will throw flowers on your cities in response. All Indian major cities (from Delhi to Calcutta, Chennai to Simla) are the marked targets with coordinates fed to the missiles. India has a lot more cities and a lot more to loose.

Kid when India goes for MAD do you think they won't take out your launching capabilities??? well yess not 100% but enough to let india Survive a nuke war... and please refrain from using "cowards" and so...
 
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We will destroy everything in Pakistan. No chance of retaliation from your side.
Hey hindu troll you will destroy yourself only

Kid when India goes for MAD do you think they won't take out your launching capabilities??? well yess not 100% but enough to let india Survive a nuke war... and please refrain from using "cowards" and so...
Hey infant....this forum is for adults.....by the way....do you even know what MAD stands for?
 
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This is a slippery path and it has no end. During the cold war the Americans and the Russians tried to match each other bomb for bomb and missile for missile – until they reached the point where each side could destroy not just themselves but the entire planet ten times over. India and Pakistan currently have the capability to destroy each other completely. Once a nuclear exchange starts nothing will be left – not Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad, not Bombay, Calcutta and Delhi. So what are our warriors – from both sides – talking about?

Forget about what the Americans are saying or what their concerns are. We should have the sense to think this through ourselves

I agree to what this article saying only if USA is pushing the same logic towards india and saying when their actions also shows the same messages ..

On the other hand they are pushing everything for india to have upper hand and towards Pakistan they are putting up pressure ..

These tactical nukes are there for a reason, they are not the first point of defence for advancing indian tanks (which this article assumes)
there are other valid point as well which are ignored in this article .. so BS in most of its sense if any ...
 
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Hey infant....this forum is for adults.....by the way....do you even know what MAD stands for?

:lol::lol::lol: ya i didn't know that's why i used that perfect word:crazy:..

why don't engage in a meaningful conversation with me instead of ranting..
 
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India has modified its strategy of Cold Start. Instead of capturing territory in Thar desert, India will attack Pakistan in populated areas of Punjab. This way if Pakistan uses tactical nuclear weapons they will kill more Pakistanis than Indians.

It does not make sense. I still believe the attack from the Indian side will come from Thar and not Punjab. Thar is a desert, the battle is going to be fluid and fast. I believe this is exactly what the IA Strategic Planners want, meet the PA out in the open and let each other hammer it out. Punjab is a totally different beast altogether.

Punjab's geography and topography serves as a natural barrier for any advancing force. Its a very static landscape, ideal for a Defender but a nightmare for an attacker. The canals, the vegetation, the fields, the rivers and most importantly limited axis of advancement serve as an impediment for an advancing force. Not to mention, PA's Frontier Regiments are well dug in. ATGM hell holes have been setup and due to the Limited Axis of Advancement would be an ideal Location to setup Kill Boxes for IA Armour. Frontier Regiments will cause far more damage above their weight before they die. Bypassing them wouldn't be an option as that would expose your supply lines. The Israelis learned it the hard way when they bypassed Hezbollah's fortifications and exposing their supply lines. They were forced to turn around and engage those Fortifications as they were serving as an impediment to their Axis of Advancement.

My argument in regards to Punjab was completely based on the premise that Indian Forces will advance and break through PA's Defences on the Border. But that is highly unlikely if we look at it from an objective point of view. Despite many upgrades, IA still lacks the muscle to deliver the hammer on PA's Battle Formations. They certainly had that in the form of the Smerch which would have roasted PA's Armour, but that has been countered in the form of A-100's from PA. Both sides are quite evenly matched on the Battlefield, the question comes down to who employs better tactics/strategy and the most important of all, who has better luck on their side that day :).
 
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It does not make sense. I still believe the attack from the Indian side will come from Thar and not Punjab. Thar is a desert, the battle is going to be fluid and fast. I believe this is exactly what the IA Strategic Planners want, meet the PA out in the open and let each other hammer it out. Punjab is a totally different beast altogether.

Punjab's geography and topography serves as a natural barrier for any advancing force. Its a very static landscape, ideal for a Defender but a nightmare for an attacker. The canals, the vegetation, the fields, the rivers and most importantly limited axis of advancement serve as an impediment for an advancing force. Not to mention, PA's Frontier Regiments are well dug in. ATGM hell holes have been setup and due to the Limited Axis of Advancement would be an ideal Location to setup Kill Boxes for IA Armour. Frontier Regiments will cause far more damage above their weight before they die. Bypassing them wouldn't be an option as that would expose your supply lines. The Israelis learned it the hard way when they bypassed Hezbollah's fortifications and exposing their supply lines. They were forced to turn around and engage those Fortifications as they were serving as an impediment to their Axis of Advancement.

My argument in regards to Punjab was completely based on the premise that Indian Forces will advance and break through PA's Defences on the Border. But that is highly unlikely if we look at it from an objective point of view. Despite many upgrades, IA still lacks the muscle to deliver the hammer on PA's Battle Formations. They certainly had that in the form of the Smerch which would have roasted PA's Armour, but that has been countered in the form of A-100's from PA. Both sides are quite evenly matched on the Battlefield, the question comes down to who employs better tactics/strategy and the most important of all, who has better luck on their side that day :).
Great addition but do you think that troll will even be able to understand it. He is just throwing one liners here and there. This much more subtle than his mind can process :)
 
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India will be having 2500 T-72 & 2000 T-90 tanks. India is now mass producing artillery & MRBL system. We will be mass producing attack helicopters soon.

What you say maybe true for Lahore but not whole of Punjab. Pakistani town of Kasur with population of 300,000 is just 2 kms from Indian border with just plain fields in between. Wont take India tanks 15 min to reach from Khem Karan. Once India captures this town can Pakistan use tactical nuclear weapon on this town.

You mean those helicopters that keep falling of the air? Lmao...

Ecuador cuts Dhruv helicopter contract with HAL after 4 crashes - The Times of India
 
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