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Actually, that was the part of deal. They will purchase FD200 and also coproduce another system that all export rights will be in Turkey's hand. within 3-4 years,(in 2016-turkey will also start producing its own long range radar) Turkey will have all these technologies and might start exporting them.

This Chinese deal shortens & easifies our way for full indigenous Air Defence Systems Family... ToT will be so helpful... Plus we get products... 12 batteries !!!... And while saying "We will start working on more advanced indigenous system" I don't mean the same class of FD-2000... I'm talking about an upper class/level...

Some money ???... No Problem !!!... 8-)
 
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This Chinese deal shortens & easifies our way for full indigenous Air Defence Systems Family... ToT will be so helpful... Plus we get products... 12 batteries !!!... And while saying "We will start working on more advanced indigenous system" I don't mean the same class of FD-2000... I'm talking about an upper class/level...

Some money ???... No Problem !!!... 8-)
It will also help CHine to influence in Middle east. Saudi Arabia(also other gulf countries) will not have guts to purchase long range SAM from CHine at first to get out of US influence, But, Turkish made SAM will be another way for chine to have an influence on Europe and Middle east, which is the real power of dollar and the USA. WHo get middle east, get the world leadership.
 
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It will also help CHine to influence in Middle east. Saudi Arabia(also other gulf countries) will not have guts to purchase long range SAM from CHine at first to get out of US influence, But, Turkish made SAM will be another way for chine to have an influence on Europe and Middle east, which is the real power of dollar and the USA. WHo get middle east, get the world leadership.

Another good thing is this deal is a good step for our relations with China and it's a perfect message to the world "We can do whatever we want", "We are independent", "Your rules ???!!!... No, our rules !!!..." things like that...
 
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great deal for turkey specially if there is percentage of manufacturing in turkey
and also to prove that turkey is not following NATO in everything as some people say :azn:
 
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Another good thing is this deal is a good step for our relations with China and it's a perfect message to the world "We can do whatever we want", "We are independent", "Your rules ???!!!... No, our rules !!!..." things like that...

We can't do whatever we want. All countries are dependent each other. It may take longer time but i think that we should develop our own long range SAM with Chinese support instead of direct purchase like we did in Altay and Fırtına projects.

Lockheed's and Eurosam's offers will be valid until 30 June, it seems that we will wait for decision at least two months more.

NATO, Türkiye'ye baskı yapıyor
 
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We can't do whatever we want. All countries are dependent each other. It may take longer time but i think that we should develop our own long range SAM with Chinese support instead of direct purchase like we did in Altay and Fırtına projects.

Lockheed's and Eurosam's offers will be valid until 30 June, it seems that we will wait for decision at least two months more.

NATO, Türkiye'ye baskı yapıyor

You are right... This would be the best way, even better then the deal with Chinese which we are working on currently... I always focused on the ToT not the product...
 
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I think Chinese officials call in question of HQ-9 systems with ordering Russian S-400 missiles. I think It is time to commence development of Domestic Long range sAM system as soon as possible. Aselsan foreseens 7 years of time schedule to fire own developed missiles...
 
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I think Chinese officials call in question of HQ-9 systems with ordering Russian S-400 missiles. I think It is time to commence development of Domestic Long range sAM system as soon as possible. Aselsan foreseens 7 years of time schedule to fire own developed missiles...

Ordering of S-400 missile deal by China is a hoax. Until now no official agreement of S-400 has signed. Same as the Su-35 deal which Russian brag about has not materialised. Gone are the days, where China will buy any complete system from Russia. Do not believe any rumours.
 
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Oh for the love of God just cut this political bs and buy the Aster or Patriot. Since day one even the African tribes knew that we simply cannot buy the Chinese system due to political and Nato reasons and for that reason alone both Raytheon and MBDA isn't giving what we want. Who are we kidding. Now either cancel this tender and wait for like 10 years to build a system for ourselves or buy one of these two.
 
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We have made an open tender and china has won
We're an independent country we can do business with whoever the hell we want.
Murad Bayar would tell the US that we'll take the best offer and they can take their BS political pressure and shove it up their azzes.

But I don't trust this new SSM undersecretary
Men like him can be easily bought

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Turkey likely to choose Chinese air defense system, say experts | Economy | Daily Sabah

TURKEY LIKELY TO CHOOSE CHINESE AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM, SAY EXPERTS

Although experts emphasize that the air defense system is compatible with NATO's defense network, allies criticizeTurkey's cooperation with a U.S.- sanctioned Chinese firm

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Since the announcement of the decision, Turkey has come under strong pressure from its NATO allies. Furthermore, sources in the Turkish defense industry reported that European and U.S. defense companies pressured Turkish defense companies by indicating that partnerships in some areas might end if Turkey concludes the deal with the Chinese company.

In fact, the acquisition of such a multibillion- dollar strategic system naturally has multiple implications on political, economic, military and technologic dimensions, and despite all the pressure, Turkey's continuation with the Chinese company still seems the most probable option.

Furthermore, defense industry experts believe that the Chinese FD-2000 (HQ-9) air defense system is able to compete with its western rivals in terms of technical capability.

The HQ-9 air defense system was developed from the S-300 system that was imported by China from Russia in the mid 1990s. The Chinese defense industry progressively developed the system and added new capabilities.

A ship-based version of the HQ-9 was also produced under the designation HHQ-9, providing long-range missile and aircraft intercepting capability. The export version of HQ-9 is known as FD-2000. "The version of the HQ-9 that is capable of intercepting AWACS early warning and electronic warfare aircraft is designated FT-2000 and was introduced in the late 1990s," according to a defense industry expert who spoke to Daily Sabah anonymously. "The HQ-9 missile is reported to be capable of intercepting targets at a maximum range of 90-120 kilometers. The system can also shoot down incoming cruise missiles at medium and low altitudes. Target designation and fire control is accomplished through 3D phased array radar, which can be said to be in the same league as equivalent Russian or Western air defense systems," the expert added.

NATO countries raised objections against Turkey's move, claiming that missile systems within the trans-Atlantic military alliance must be compatible with each other. NATO insists the Chinese technology will not be compatible with the evolving ballistic-missile shield being built in Europe. However, Turkish Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) officials repeatedly stated that Chinese missiles are compatible with NATO systems.

A defense industry expert shares similar sentiments, "When integrated into a multi-layered, network-centric air defense infrastructure, the system may provide more than adequate long range/high altitude air defense capability, possibly competitive to Western solutions in terms of acquisition and operation costs."

Regarding the missile deal, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan remarked earlier that it is natural for any country to make the decision that best suits its interests. On this basis the HQ-9 missile was considered the most competitively priced, and a significant portion of its production would be carried out in Turkey. In line with Prime Minister Erdoğan's remarks, Volkan Bozkır, the head of the Foreign Affairs Commission in Parliament, commented that Turkey would continue with the best option. "Turkey will choose the offer that is in our best interest,"

Bozkır remarked. Bozkır ruled out debates regarding the compatibility of Chinese missiles with the NATO defense system. "Compatibility of the missiles with the NATO system was a pre-qualification of the SSM for the bidder companies; therefore, compatibility or integration is not the issue," he added.

Regarding the argument that as a member of NATO, Turkey cannot buy weapons from a non-NATO ally, Bozkır countered by pointing out that many NATO allies are using Russian weapons systems.

Furthermore, a recent report by Agence France-Presse (AFP) shows that European defense firms powered China's military rise, proving the inconsistency of this argument.

The AFP investigation revealed that European countries have approved billions of dollars in transfers of weapons and military-ready technology to China. According to the AFP, China's air force relies on French-designed helicopters, while submarines and frigates involved in Beijing's physical assertion of its claim to vast swathes of the South China Sea are powered by German and French engines - part of a separate trade in "dual use" technology to Beijing's armed forces. The European Union imposed an arms embargo on China after its army killed many demonstrators in the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But member states are free to interpret the embargo loosely, the AFP report says. EU arms makers received licenses to export equipment worth $4.1 billion to China in the decade to 2012, according to annual EU reports on trade.

On the other hand, some analysts assert that U.S. sanctions against CPMEIC, which is the producer of the HQ-9 air defense system, will be another problem in concluding the deal. In fact, U.S. sanctions against CPMEIC go at least as far back as 1993 when it was sanctioned for transferring missile technology to Pakistan. The most recent round of U.S. sanctions against CPMEIC was in February 2013 when it was sanctioned alongside other Chinese persons and entities for selling Iran items banned under U.S. law. However, Turkish officials do not take seriously the threat of American and Western companies, and it seems like they will be out of the deal as long as they don't meet Turkey's demands concerning
technology transfers.
 
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European and U.S. defense companies pressured Turkish defense companies by indicating that partnerships in some areas might end if Turkey concludes the deal with the Chinese company.

Bastards, thats why we should go for chinees stuff.

Uc asagi bes yukari kafasinda bunlar hala:-)...


Netherland is one of the most chemical supplier of chemical bombs in the world. DSM and other companies. Netherlands supplied saddam with chemical~s for his bombs and nobody is talking about it ahahaha. Why no problem with netherlands?
 
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I think Chinese officials call in question of HQ-9 systems with ordering Russian S-400 missiles. I think It is time to commence development of Domestic Long range sAM system as soon as possible. Aselsan foreseens 7 years of time schedule to fire own developed missiles...
the advancement of Chinese SAM capability is way beyond Russians understanding of ours``HQ-16 and HQ-9 are just beginning of our air defence capability``

实拍中国红旗-9防空导弹震撼发射二连击_在线视频观看_土豆视频 实拍 中国红旗-9 《FD-2000》 防空导导弹 震撼发射 二连击

the first missile had a direct hit, and the second one chased the debris f*cked it again
 
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