T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[Malik Alashter]

Ukrainian made old trash. Ukrainian deployed this in 1999.. And Pakistan testing same crap in 2015??? Come on.. As a Pakistani i would really recommend military to go for Leopard 2A7 German made, M1A2 made by USA, or Type99 Chinese latest version. Come on go get the deals on them. Pak zindabad

You're right but don't forget you can't afford those western toys they're simply expensive.

I would you stay with China as long as long they share you some and the price within the the reach.

 

[Zarvan]

@kaonalpha @Icarus As T-84 Oplot M is selected what name it would get ? I mean will it be named AL-HAIDER or what ? @balixd

 

[Andrei_bt]

T-72B is a beast but T-72M or Ural is crap

it surpasses the T-80U in protection,

Oplot is like a Super T-80

T-72B is very bad in protection and velnurable even to 100 mm gun -

1 - 100 APDS mm velnurable
2 - old 125 velnurable

 

[hussain0216]

Its all in the small print

If we get considerable TOT then its all good

 

[Dazzler]

Do you have a source regarding that ? If Russia can't develop such basic things from sights to FCS like You claimed, What's the reason of countries all around the world ordering such big portion of land vehicle from Russia, While Ukraine is staying next to them ?

Actually , Peleng of Belarus has been supplying many sights for Russian MBTs and AFVs for many many years now. Russians are pretty good with armour but quite weak in optics and sights.

 

[black-hawk_101]

There is no official news so expect MBT-3000 in AK-III colors

 

[Dazzler]

Some Details of Oplot M mbt...

INTEGRATED GUN-AND-FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM (IGFCS)

The IGFCS ensures the following:

• automatic generation, with subsequent introduction into the armament control devices, of super-elevation and lateral lead angles, with taking into account various deviations of the real firing conditions from the standard ones
• possibility for the commander to override the gunner and fire the main gun and coaxial machine gun from the commander’s station
• firing the anti-aircraft machine gun from the commander’s station

PTT-2 thermal sighting system

The system is intended to observe, detect, recognise and identify targets and to deliver aimed fire from the main and coaxial machine gun under all conditions of vehicle operation.

Type
thermal, monocular (with built-in micro-monitor)
Operational spectral wave band
8-12 micrometres
Fields of view:

• wide field of view

9x6.75 degrees

• narrow field of view

3x2.25 degrees

• electronic magnification

1.5x1.12 degrees
Operational ranges:

• Detection range (narrow field of view)

at least 8000 m

• Recognition range (narrow field of view)

at least 4500 m

• Identification range (narrow field of view)

at least 2500 m

DRIVER’S DIGITAL INSTRUMENTATION PANEL

The driver's digital instrument panel is intended to control the tank's systems, viz.:

• operation of the pre-heater
• main engine pre-starting and starting
• traffic lights operation
• emergency warning
• indication of current parameters of the engine and transmission
• protection of the engine against wrong actions of the driver during engine pre-starting and starting

TIUS-NM NAVIGATION SUPPORT SYSTEM

The navigation support system (NSS) ensures the solution of the following tasks:

• determination of own coordinates X, Y and the bearing grid angle a in the rectangular coordinate system using the SN-3700 radio-navigation equipment (RNE);
• generation, transmission and receipt of commands with coordinates of destination points;
• gathering of information about subordinates location;
• input, storage and processing of route points (up to 50 pcs)and movement along the route, number of control points for each route up to 50;
• formation, transmission and receiving of telecode (textual) messages via the radio channel;
• indication at the driver's station of information of direction and value of angle of turn to the point of destination.

Accuracy (standard deviation) of the tank location coordinates determination when operating on the following systems signals:
GPS NAVSTAR
40 m
GLONASS
30 m
GPS NAVSTAR/GLONASS
20 m
Quantity of routes being set
Up to 10
Quantity of control points for each route
Up to 50
Gathering of information about the subordinate tanks location, transmission of destination points coordinates and textual information is provided in the units up to the tank battalion level inclusive
Yes
Time of transmission and receipt of information in digital radio channel and range of communication
To be determined by specifications of standard means of communication
Accuracy of presenting the current time (with allowance for the correction for the zone time)
1 s
Time of readiness for operation, max:
under the "cold" start
180 s
under the "hot" start
15 s
Built-in control system
Yes
1KPI commander's information panel is designed for input by means of key-boards into the system of initial settings, codes, commands, requests, destination and control points coordinates, as well as telecode messages that are generated from the Russian language symbols or Latin alphabet and digital symbols on the display of alphabet-digital and graphic information, received or input from outside through the radio station or from navigation equipment. It is also used to set the status of the tank – the commander of the respective level (up to the battalion commander) or subordinate (linear) of the respective unit.

1KBI-N information unit provides for:

• reading of input data and commands from 1KPI panel keyboard and its processing
• exchange of information ans commands with NSS and radio station
• processing of information received from NSS and radio station
• solution of tasks of:
  • computing the current coordinates and directional angle
  • receipt and transmission of commands with coordinates of point of destination
  • gathering of information on location of subordinates
  • input, storage and operation of route points
  • receipt and transmission of telecode messages
  • indication of angle of turn to the driver
• controlling the indicator (screen) of 1KPI panel (indication of information and command messages)

1KVI panel is designed for providing the information for the driver about the value and direction of the tank angle of turn to the point of destination.

SN-3700 radio-navigation equipment provides for continuous monitoring of the tank coordinates, its route (only on move) and time according to radio signals of navigation space craft of GLONASS and GPS NAVSTAR via open codes at any point of the globe at any point of time and any meteo conditions.

 

[C130]

T-72B is very bad in protection and velnurable even to 100 mm gun -

1 - 100 APDS mm velnurable
2 - old 125 velnurable

100mm APDS or 105APDS can't pentreate T-72B with ERA

old 125 APDS is crap. some of newer chinese,india,russia might do it.


M829A1 "silver bullet" I doubt could pentrate T72B with kontakt-5

M829A3 and E4 would slice through

 

[cabatli_53]

we are using segem 3rd generation thermal imagers in AK1

It is normal since There are 2-3 countries that is able to produce those critical proven thermal imager technologies in NATO and The countries who want to produce own thermal sight systems, should order critical components from those few sources inside/outside NATO. In additions, Noone of India and Russia have thermal imager technologies so You can see SAGEM detectors on Russian attack helicopters and tanks as well.

Turkey is among those rare states that have succesfully developed 2nd and 3rd generation imager detectors after the research done during 15 years.

 

[Andrei_bt]

100mm APDS or 105APDS can't pentreate T-72B with ERA

M829A1 "silver bullet" I doubt could pentrate T72B with kontakt-5

M829A3 and E4 would slice through

M829A2 penetrates from 6 km
M829A1 from 2-3 km

 

[cabatli_53]

Defencenews are telling something regarding cooperations !

As a result, Aselsan has supplied sighting and other sub-systems for Pakistan's Al-Zarrar/upgraded Type-59 tanks and Ukrainian-supplied T-80UD, and transferred radio design and manufacture technology.

He said it was possible Aselsan could supply technology developed for Turkey's Leopard II upgrade and Altay tank programs for Pakistan's Al-Khalid, but claimed Aselsan had not yet been contacted in this regard.

HIT officials say a key item sought for the Al-Khalid is a third generation thermal imaging sight such as the Altay's.

Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said that since the French Al Khalid sight is too expensive, and the Franco-Pakistani defense relationship has deteriorated, Turkey is a viable alternative supplier.

He believes there may be further benefits in deepening the Pakistani-Turkish defense relationship that could allow export of the Al-Khalid, hitherto prevented by high foreign sub-systems content.

Pakistani Turkish Defense Ties Continue to Deepen

 

[Max Khan]

There are lots of ideas why ukrainians do not use T-84 in big numbers during their current conflict. The answer is simple it is quite expensive tank for Ukrainian army and for their missions it is much better to upgrade 3-4 T-64 to the level of "Bulat" then produce and buy 1 Oplot.
If ukrainians suggest TOT I think it is a good deal.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I am not an expert to say that it's inferior or something, Russians must have their reasons to choose t-72 over t-80. It might have been star of it's time too but they are talking about retiring and we are talking about induction and joint production of the type at the same time.

First of all there is a big Fukin difference between a t-80u made by USSR and a Oplot based on a t-84 produced in late 2000s.


Only 5000 t-80s were produced -- which were produced in what is now Ukraine! Meanwhile the soviets had 20,000 t-72s.. (T-80 was a late arrival.. A new tank)... It was expensive to build and operate ... And had a gas turbine engine (whih was replaced with deisel later on by Ukraine).. The russians chose to upgrade their t-72s .. Incorporating tech from T-80... Coz it was cheaper to upgrade the ahitload of t-72s instead ...

Ukrainian made old trash. Ukrainian deployed this in 1999.. And Pakistan testing same crap in 2015??? Come on.. As a Pakistani i would really recommend military to go for Leopard 2A7 German made, M1A2 made by USA, or Type99 Chinese latest version. Come on go get the deals on them. Pak zindabad

Oplot M was inducted in 2009! So how they they test a tank that wasn't even in service back in 1999??

 

[fatman17]

Evaluating a particular weapon system dosnt automatically mean that it will be purchased. The armed forces evaluate all types of war materials all the time. We already know that the T80UD are being upgraded to T84 standard. Any tank weighing over 52 tons +/- have difficulty in the Punjab terrain and desert areas. Remember the Abrams trials in the late 80s. Refusing the Chinese is also not going to be very easy.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

100mm APDS or 105APDS can't pentreate T-72B with ERA

old 125 APDS is crap. some of newer chinese,india,russia might do it.


M829A1 "silver bullet" I doubt could pentrate T72B with kontakt-5

M829A3 and E4 would slice through

india has yet to produce or develop a decent "APDS" ... This has been discussed to death .. @Dazzler. What was the highest penetration value claimed by indian ? 400ish?

Evaluating a particular weapon system dosnt automatically mean that it will be purchased. The armed forces evaluate all types of war materials all the time. We already know that the T80UD are being upgraded to T84 standard. Any tank weighing over 52 tons +/- have difficulty in the Punjab terrain and desert areas. Remember the Abrams trials in the late 80s. Refusing the Chinese is also not going to be very easy.

Oplot M weights around 51 tons... AK at 48.