T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Lies that is nothing. The indigenous Armour had turned to dust from one hit by a 125 mm.

He is taking you for a ride Zarvan.Ask him to show you the pics or rest assured on my previous statement.

These were the upgrades intended to be for AK-2... Some of the things did end up in AK-1 hence there is no news about AK-2.

AFIK ALTAY is not going to be available to Pakistan as the engine and gearbox are Japanese and they have been refused. It can only be available if there is an alternate engine from Western source so that it can technically be classified as NATO product.

 

[Zarvan]

These were the upgrades intended to be for AK-2... Some of the things did end up in AK-1 hence there is no news about AK-2.

AFIK ALTAY is not going to be available to Pakistan as the engine and gearbox are Japanese and they have been refused. It can only be available if there is an alternate engine from Western source so that it can technically be classified as NATO product.

Engine is German not Japanees as for AK-2 two prototypes are under trial since 2013

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Zarvan and @kaonalpha
Please stop this idiocy NOW. You guys have no concept of state and its necessity to maintain crrtain things as secrets. You have leaked a premature bit of news releasing photgraphs of people involved in trials and thereby compromising their security.

since no amount of telling off and advice seems to be working so there will be two sets of visits.. one to those who are breaking the code of conduct and confidentiality act and passing these news to naive individuals you tagged and then these "naive" posters themselves will get a "customized" visit by the same people according to the level of their innocence and involvement.
enough already.

 

[waz]

Altay is way to heavy but through help of Turkey as it has close defence relations with South Korea it can be K-2 than

Some sort of lighter version, around the 55 ton mark. Although the K2 is around that weight.

 

[Bratva]

@Zarvan and @kaonalpha
Please stop this idiocy NOW. You guys have no concept of state and its necessity to maintain crrtain things as secrets. You have leaked a premature bit of news releasing photgraphs of people involved in trials and thereby compromising their security. How can it be that the trials are not even completed and by your own account 2 further tanks are to be tested and you have a winner which YOU have been told about as an assured winner without other tanks even having been tested.
You need to grow up and stop propogating half baked truths and compromising state security just so that you can thump your stupid chests and be the first one to break the news. Please check with the mods before you print any more info and especially photos. Believe me you are causing harm to your nation so stop this once and for all.
araz

Wesay testing new tanks aren't state secrets. it is Pakistan army which is in habit of maintaining trivial things as state secrets. One has to take an example of american weapon programs, F-22, F-35, Laser Programs, Even the super duper X-37

 

[Neptune]

Wesay testing new tanks aren't state secrets. it is Pakistan army which is in habit of maintaining trivial things as state secrets. One has to take an example of american weapon programs, F-22, F-35, Laser Programs, Even the super duper X-37

The people who are working on it are important as well. Well US does a damn good work of a PR as a PSYOP, never seen the fate of someone who actually leaked unknown info. Not one but all members should bear in mind PERSEC and OPSEC, something that doesn't seem to be taken seriously by most of members and kids here in this forum.

 

[Hell hound]

Wesay testing new tanks aren't state secrets. it is Pakistan army which is in habit of maintaining trivial things as state secrets. One has to take an example of american weapon programs, F-22, F-35, Laser Programs, Even the super duper X-37

totally agree with you its only tank procurement and we are not even making them so spec are also all over the net then why pa is getting all secretive about it .its not like hq 9 which was needed to be kept secret for the purpose of surprise. is it because if they openly discussed the plan then they wont be able to get kickbacks due to process becoming public

 

[Bratva]

The people who are working on it are important as well. Well US does a damn good work of a PR as a PSYOP, never seen the fate of someone who actually leaked unknown info. Not one but all members should bear in mind PERSEC and OPSEC, something that doesn't seem to be taken seriously by most of members and kids here in this forum.

Keeping CIA,NSA leaks aside. Americans don't keep trivial projects under wraps because of the accountibility involved. They reveal most of the civilian and military contractors/personnel involved in it despite the apprehensions, they might get kidnapped or worse someone invade their home, inject truth serum and extract info from them. But accountibility and preventing kickbacks is what makes them list their projects public


Long before B-3 Next Gen Stealth bomber was revealed in an ad during superbowl, this amateur photographer took it's photo in texas and he lives to tell the story

totally agree with you its only tank procurement and we are not even making them so spec are also all over the net then why pa is getting all secretive about it .its not like hq 9 which was needed to be kept secret for the purpose of surprise. is it because if they openly discussed the plan then they wont be able to get kickbacks due to process becoming public

Kickbacks in SAAB program, ZDK program. Heck nobody knows the true quantity even today of the both AWAC fleet. Height of keeping things secret due to national security

 

[Zarvan]

Keeping CIA,NSA leaks aside. Americans don't keep trivial projects under wraps because of the accountibility involved. They reveal most of the civilian and military contractors/personnel involved in it despite the apprehensions, they might get kidnapped or worse someone invade their home, inject truth serum and extract info from them. But accountibility and preventing kickbacks is what makes them list their projects public


Long before B-3 Next Gen Stealth bomber was revealed in an ad during superbowl, this amateur photographer took it's photo in texas and he lives to tell the story

Kickbacks in SAAB program, ZDK program. Heck nobody knows the true quantity even today of the both AWAC fleet. Height of keeping things secret due to national security

Their are no kickbacks and we had 4 Saab one got destroyed so we went for one more ZDK.

 

[Neptune]

Keeping CIA,NSA leaks aside. Americans don't keep trivial projects under wraps because of the accountibility involved. They reveal most of the civilian and military contractors/personnel involved in it despite the apprehensions, they might get kidnapped or worse someone invade their home, inject truth serum and extract info from them. But accountibility and preventing kickbacks is what makes them list their projects public


Long before B-3 Next Gen Stealth bomber was revealed in an ad during superbowl, this amateur photographer took it's photo in texas and he lives to tell the story

Kickbacks in SAAB program, ZDK program. Heck nobody knows the true quantity even today of the both AWAC fleet. Height of keeping things secret due to national security

It is okay for sharing what you've captured but if you share content that was taken illegally by an unknown person and even a face photo of a key engineer can cause problems. We suffered that before thx to arrogant Turkish media. A news site had revealed the names and expertise of engineers working at TF-X project, they were fined by the court. As I said these things seem all OK for most of you, I have personally being a Turk and unrelated with the project have no problem with that but it is much more important and critical than it seems. I fully second what @Irfan Baloch or @araz have written there above. TT group should unite and contact with Staff as a whole to strictly regulate PERSEC and OPSEC. But here in internet most people behind keyboard are people employed in private sector, students, interested people, engineers...etc..that unfortunately they are not aware of this threat. So yes we can be called paranoid people but that's a reality.

If I was to go deeper;

If I just dig in the SSG thread or to threads where it is easy to access photos from combat and see the physical appearances of military personnel even special forces; You can collect data on PA or whoever you target if you're a national agency. But never mind yara

 

[Zarvan]

Sir Sir g, I don't think they will step down to safeguard Pakistan's security risks in order to get high trophy or gold medals promotions or probably sell publicly. Big talking is not working in Pakistan, only action works no doubt. Our Moderators policy here I think is pretty weak.

T-84 oplot M the new war horse of Pakistan ? - Failed

Big Eidi to be launched soon ! (for india) - Failed



So Pakistan should do same as US? What about Russia or China tightly?

Eidi is delayed due to floods as for T-84 hopefully engine issue will be resolved soon

 

[Zarvan]

Whatever, keep making up story to yourself. No-one will believe your drama. Your credibility is just based on many bullshitting stuffs, you have worked hard enough to get high promotions.

Yes yes off course

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

@waz

The T84 OPLOT has failed so why should this thread remain open...

The topic has also opened a lot of secrets....

Wesay testing new tanks aren't state secrets. it is Pakistan army which is in habit of maintaining trivial things as state secrets. One has to take an example of american weapon programs, F-22, F-35, Laser Programs, Even the super duper X-37

The people who are working on it are important as well. Well US does a damn good work of a PR as a PSYOP, never seen the fate of someone who actually leaked unknown info. Not one but all members should bear in mind PERSEC and OPSEC, something that doesn't seem to be taken seriously by most of members and kids here in this forum.

Brothers, Why do you think Snowden is still in Russia... He even disclosed some stuff that was supposed to be a guarded secret. They did court marshal the main person who gave the computer files....

 

[kaonalpha]

Yeah i have asked Horus to close this thread. So good bye

 

[Super Falcon]

Well if both tanks are failed what next