Syria bans niqab in schools

[into the wild]

They are schools for the people built by the government. So does that mean i can not follow dress codes at work ? If you don't like our public banning then get home schooled. Another issue you fail to grasp is Turkey follows its own agenda in banning what we deem against secularism and guess what ? If the majority is alright with it then it is fine.

the changes which kemal made was not welcomed by the people, force was used by a military dictator to implement the changes..

women can get education because they wear scarfs and turkish policy doesnt allow scarfed women to enter the education centres, they are forced to abandon the process of learning just because of a scarf, your policies are great arent they???, if you believe in dress codes, they turkey should follow its dress code, not the dress code offered by the west..

 

[Durran3]

Another Positive step... Counteries like Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt are far more moderate than Pakistani's. What I don't understand about Pakistani's is the idea that WE think that WE are better than everyone else when it comes to Islam... when infact we and Saudi are probably one of the worst Islamic bunch. We think that we are the Thekadars of Islam and know more about it than anyone else.. but than again how much world exposure do Pakistani's have anyways.

Good job by Syria and Egypt.. I wouldn't be surprised if Lebanon and Jordon follow suit after this.

 

[Jigs]

the changes which kemal made was not welcomed by the people, force was used by a military dictator to implement the changes..

women can get education because they wear scarfs and turkish policy doesnt allow scarfed women to enter the education centres, they are forced to abandon the process of learning just because of a scarf, your policies are great arent they???, if you believe in dress codes, they turkey should follow its dress code, not the dress code offered by the west..

Yes they were you are very confused on that part. Guess what ? You want to learn ? Take your scarf off and take a seat. If you want to keep it on go to a religious school as your not ready for public ones in Turkey yet. Turkey banned this far before other nations the ones doing it now are following suit. Just like when Turkish women had the right to vote before the french implemented it.

 

[into the wild]

Yes they were you are very confused on that part. Guess what ? You want to learn ? Take your scarf off and take a seat. If you want to keep it on go to a religious school as your not ready for public ones in Turkey yet. Turkey banned this far before other nations the ones doing it now are following suit. Just like when Turkish women had the right to vote before the french implemented it.

if she is wearing a scarf and not paying attention in her class, thats the time you dismiss a student, but dismissing all students in the name of scarf is crazy.. its called stereotyping..

next time what, wear the bikinis, or youll not get education??, doesnt sound crazy enough

if an indian with a turban and a beard enter a turkish institution, will his head and beard be shaved off and his turban burned and will be forced to take a kemalist purification of holy water some thing, before he enters there??

 

[Jigs]

if she is wearing a scarf and not paying attention in her class, thats the time you dismiss a student, but dismissing all students in the name of scarf is crazy..

next time what, wear the bikinis, or youll not get education??, doesnt sound crazy enough

You can't practice you religion in secular buildings. That is how it goes. I never once saw someone complain about it and Muslim friends i talked to viewed it as backward and plus they liked doing/showing of their hair. The government is not forcing you to not learn they are giving you options. One you take it off, two you don't and miss out on a education or three head over to a religious school and get a education there. There is no need at all for you to project and practice you religion and religious beliefs in a secular place of learning.

As far as bikinis we have a school dress code that also must be followed if you would like to wear your bikini we have beaches for that or if you don't want to wear anything we also have beaches for that too. Because you know....religion doesn't have a say in our government.

 

[Jigs]

if she is wearing a scarf and not paying attention in her class, thats the time you dismiss a student, but dismissing all students in the name of scarf is crazy.. its called stereotyping..

next time what, wear the bikinis, or youll not get education??, doesnt sound crazy enough

if an indian with a turban and a beard enter a turkish institution, will his head and beard be shaved off and his turban burned and will be forced to take a kemalist purification of holy water some thing, before he enters there??

I am sure a exception can be made for guests. Turks are hospitable people.

 

[into the wild]

You can't practice you religion in secular buildings. That is how it goes. I never once saw someone complain about it and Muslim friends i talked to viewed it as backward and plus they liked doing/showing of their hair. The government is not forcing you to not learn they are giving you options. One you take it off, two you don't and miss out on a education or three head over to a religious school and get a education there. There is no need at all for you to project and practice you religion and religious beliefs in a secular place of learning.

As far as bikinis we have a school dress code that also must be followed if you would like to wear your bikini we have beaches for that or if you don't want to wear anything we also have beaches for that too. Because you know....religion doesn't have a say in our government.

your arguements dont make any sense, if a student is paying attention in her/his class, she cannot be discriminated on the bases of wearing a damn scarf, if she is learning in her class, that means she is only being loyal to her institution and has noting to do with religion.

in exams, some students may recite quranic verse before taking their exam, can you expell them on this bases?? what a silly arguement is this anyway?? dont you have mosques to facilitate the students who want to offer their prayers??, even in manchester uni, we have mosques..

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I am sure a exception can be made for guests. Turks are hospitable people.

if an indian lady wears a scarf????

 

[Jigs]

your arguements dont make any sense, if a student is paying attention in her/his class, she cannot be discriminated on the bases of wearing a damn scarf, if she is learning in her class, that means she is only being loyal to her institution and has noting to do with religion.

in exams, some students may recite quranic verse before taking their exam, can you expell them on this bases?? what a silly arguement is this anyway?? dont you have mosques to facilitate the students who want to offer their prayers??, even in manchester uni, we have mosques..

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if an indian lady wears a scarf????

It makes perfect sense. Secular places don't involve religion. I can't make it anymore simple.

Also are you seriously asking if we have mosques ?

 

[into the wild]

It makes perfect sense. Secular places don't involve religion. I can't make it anymore simple.

Also are you seriously asking if we have mosques ?

mosques in turkish unis which ban scarfs

 

[somebozo]

Lets make it very simple.
You know why Mutafa Kemal hated religious symbolism??
Because the Ottoman empire was gradually infiltrated by "Moududi" type of people who exploited people relgious sentiments and once a secular thiriving welfare state turned into an Islamic millitant jehadi power. Constant failed incursions into europe bankrupted it financialy and millitarily while the rising religious bigotery made many intellactuals to flee to europe.

As a leader if Turk people, he must have felt great pain and hatred towards these ***** mullahs.

 

[into the wild]

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[Meengla]

I don't agree with the ban whether in Syria or France. Unless there are 'security' concerns banning someone from putting on Burqah/Niqab is too much intrusion in individual freedom and rights.
By the way, there can be an argument made that if there is a ban inside France imposed by the government against Niqab, especially if security is not a major concern, then that ban is too much and must be highlighted. We need a balance: Neither form of extremism is good. Just as we must make sure the Taliban-like burqah-enforcement does not become legally (or illegally!) enforceable in Pakistan we need to make sure those prefer to put on the veil all over the world have a right.

 

[somebozo]

what turkey has done, cant be compared to other countries, and cant be set as an example, countries need to set their own example. religion or no religion depends on the country and not the fact that keep religion out???

countries like germany, france are well above turkey, turkey cant compete thes nations, the fact that countries like germany were davastated by world war and had a lot less chance and time to grow up, turkey following the western lines should have been well above them, but its not, so your saying that following kemalism, is a path of progress for other "muslim countries" is not true. nations design their own path of progress.

i dont think, keeping religion out or following the religion has anything to do with the progress or you provide us with proves and facts..

You need to spend 20 years of your life reading history before being able to forment an opnion. Germany was devasted by war but it was on track of rapid industrialization along with population of right mindset even before Hitler came to power therefore it was able to rebuild itself "indigeniously". Germany was and even today is the industrial powerhouse of Europe. Turks have formented closed ties with Germany and learned a lot from their industrial sucess. Turks were the first people to make waves of immigrant labour in Germany. Despite all the hurdles, Turkey today boast the largest economy in Muslim world without possesing any mineral wealth, it is the most industrialized nation amon Muslim world and Turkey is making strides in exported good comparable to european quality at high cost effective price.

Now back to your point why turkey did not progress is because the Mullah influenced Ottomans were obessed with "ummah" type polticis as well outward religious symbolism of pajamas, beard, niqab etc etc.. They never grew past the agarian phase and totally missed the industrial revolution as well millitary modernization. Times have changed but mullah mentality is at standstilll.

When Ottoman empire was founded, it was an example of securality in christian dominated europe. Eurpeans of all decends and religion came to settle in peace and fluorish with knowledge. But gradually as the rulers grew corrupt, the mullah advocacy grew strong in expressing outward religious symbolism to legit the sultans. Eventually the empire collapsed from inside.

The question is not about wearing niqab or growing a beard. It is about symbolism people like to adapt proudly as indentity cult which gives rise to political people if delusional nature.