Swedens foreign minister in Vilnius: NATO membership would diminish defence cooperation with Finland

[A.P. Richelieu]

keep your dreaming to yourself.

I do keep my dreams to myself,
but gladly publish the fact that Chinese and Russians
prefer London over Peking and Moscow.

 

[Transhumanist]

but gladly publish the fact that Chinese and Russians
prefer London over Peking and Moscow.

A record number of Russians applied for US visas this year, so it seems you are indeed correct:

When pollsters ask Russians if they like the United States, the answer is a resoundingnyet. In a survey released this week by the independent Levada Center polling group in Moscow, 71 percent said the U.S. played "a negative role in the world," up from 50 percent who held that view two years ago.

But the number of Russians trying to emigrate to the U.S. has never been higher. The State Department says Russian applications for the U.S. green-card lottery hit an all-time high of 265,086 this year, even though only about 4,000 of 100,000 slots in the drawing were set aside for Russians.

...

They love Europe too:

Besides the quarter million Russians who got U.S. visas last year, some 75,300 obtained residence permits in the European Union and Switzerland, up 25 percent over 2010. Britain, Germany, and Spain are the top destinations. Israel says applications for citizenship from Russians are up 30 percent during that period, though the numbers are well below those of the post-Soviet peak in the 1990s.

If Russians Hate the U.S. So Much, Why Do They Want to Move There? - Bloomberg Business

 

[mike2000 is back]

wow a little braitain mock china? look at your pathetic size now comparing to ours, where the so called sunsetless great empire shrink to a dwarf island, and still bragging?

I hope russia will continue to terminate your miserable life on that hopless tiny island, and if they don't, we will be happy to take the job by ourself in the near future.

calm down i'm talking to the Chinese member Opruh who is claiming to be a fake Filipino in Egypt(of all places. lol). I'm getting along with his trolling.
So don't be mad.

Sorry but my country is the Philippines and Philippines >>> finland in terms of economy. If you want to talk about China, yeah mongol land is now divided with half under Chinese rule britain is always crying about Tibet yet whole of Tibet is under China you can't even help your turkish nato brothers from saving uyghurs in Xinjiang which is under Chinese rule weaklings in britain easily handed Hong Kong back to China another european country portugal surrender Macau to China too And japan, they got nuked twice by usa, usa is such a good puppy of China it seems

It must hurt for british that you can only look at the past, goodbye to britain's once largest empire, now you only have a tiny country, islands to be exact.

Come on, stop that game. I wont bash Philippines because everybody here already know you are a Chinese. Still claiming to be filipinos? I dont fall for that game. lol Stop lying to yourself, at least your home country China is still kind of better today than the Philippines after it opened up to the world/west and realized how dumb it had been to adopt Soviet Communism/Maosim.lol So i don't see why you try and hide your home country(well though i know you think it will give you more credibility on here. lol) Anyway, at least today your home country China is far better off, from the time you were poorer than even North Korea before you opened up to the west?lol

You talk about being proud we handed Hong Kong over to you, That should be a matter of big shame to you not pride. The very fact that a remote European island country far away from Asia came all the way to your own home country, defeated you in YOUR OWN LAND, made you sign a treaty you didn't want to, and 'leased' your territory Hong Kong and ruled it for over 2 centuries should be a matter of shame to you, not pride. If i was the one i wont even be mentioning this at all. I wont even talk about small Portugal who also had their own go with China.
JESUS CHRIST.....Basically every world power(U.S,BRITAIN,FRANCE,PORTUGAL.JAPAN,GERMANY etc) had a go with your country it seems. LOL

I don't see why you are proud a far away European country who is at the other side of the Ocean gave you back YOUR OWN LAND after ruling it for centuries. If i was you, I WILL KEEP SILENT,i wont even mention that to be honest.LOL

As for Xijiang , you are even Lucky the Russian failed after trying to carved it out(like they had successfully don with Mongolia prior to that) from you people, due to KMT troops intervening to stop it from happening yet again. So much for your Russian brotherhood friends. lool
To be honest your country should be the LAST COUNTRY TO MAKE FUN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY'S PAST CENTURY WAR EXPERIENCE.

European Powers Dividing up China 1898 Photographic Print by Chris Hellier - AllPosters.co.uk

So calm down and stop making fun of Scandinavian countries like Finland who at least fought your Russian patrons to a standstill even though they were outgunned and had far less manpower than the Russians. You are not much better AT ALL than them. Stop defending your Soviet bosses blindly.

As for Britain, well there's nothing more to say, the very fact that you and the world speak our language is prove enough that we still have ALOT of influence globally. How many non Chinese people in the world speak Chinese? Its due to a reason you know.

A record number of Russians applied for US visas this year, so it seems you are indeed correct:

When pollsters ask Russians if they like the United States, the answer is a resoundingnyet. In a survey released this week by the independent Levada Center polling group in Moscow, 71 percent said the U.S. played "a negative role in the world," up from 50 percent who held that view two years ago.

But the number of Russians trying to emigrate to the U.S. has never been higher. The State Department says Russian applications for the U.S. green-card lottery hit an all-time high of 265,086 this year, even though only about 4,000 of 100,000 slots in the drawing were set aside for Russians.

...

They love Europe too:

Besides the quarter million Russians who got U.S. visas last year, some 75,300 obtained residence permits in the European Union and Switzerland, up 25 percent over 2010. Britain, Germany, and Spain are the top destinations. Israel says applications for citizenship from Russians are up 30 percent during that period, though the numbers are well below those of the post-Soviet peak in the 1990s.

If Russians Hate the U.S. So Much, Why Do They Want to Move There? - Bloomberg Business

They all love Europe my dear. Its for a reason you know We have the best living standards that they are yearning to achieve. So its all but normal. How can you compare a developed country with high living standards and GDP per capital of almost $50000 with developing country with relatively low living standards and GDP per capital of $7000?

Its no wonder their officials/leaders/authorities/rich and those who can afford will keep sending their families/children here to live and study while they claim back home how they should be patriotic and fight against the 'evil' west. Even their leader sent his daughter to study in U.S. lol
Its just politics and hypocrisy you know.

Putin's daughter Maria has 'fled Holland' after Dutch fury at Russia's response to MH17 disaster | Daily Mail Online
Chinese communist leaders denounce U.S. values but send children to U.S. colleges - The Washington Post
Almost Half of China's Rich Want to Emigrate - Businessweek
Rich Chinese Flee, Bringing Their Wealth With Them
Rise in rich Russians moving to the UK - Home Office figures | City A.M.
Why are Russians moving to Britain? - Telegraph
Russian oligarchs buy UK visas for £1million | Daily Mail Online
Boom in British visas given to wealthy Chinese | Daily Mail Online
Canada Stops Migrant Scheme: Other Countries Rich Chinese Can Choose
Plan B for China's Wealthy: Moving to the U.S., Europe - WSJ

Figures dont lie.

 

[opruh]

And is now a free and relatively prosperous country.



Finland got invaded by Russia, then allied with Germany, and took back what was rightfully theirs, and stopped. They could have made life much more difficult for the Russians, but choose not to.
This resulted in Soviet did not occupy Finland, unlike they did to many other Eastern/Central European countries.

Luckily now they are all free from their occupiers.



If people have a choice where to live, they prefer London to Peking.
That includes Russian and Chinese people. nuff said!



So the latest statistics shows GDP = 285 for the Philippines and 271 for Finland.
If you look at GDP per Capita, Finland is 20x + higher than the rat infested country of your claimed origin...
Really nothing to boast about, is it?
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Poland is prosperous, no wonder almost half the population is in britain.

True everyone wants to live in london, that's why the natives are now the minority. Hopefully same will happen in the whole of europe where whites will finally be a minority.

Sorry but when it comes to economic power, the only thing that matters is size, so it's true Philippines >>> finland.

calm down i'm talking to the Chinese member Opruh who is claiming to be a fake Filipino in Egypt(of all places. lol). I'm getting along with his trolling.
So don't be mad.



Come on, stop that game. I wont bash Philippines because everybody here already know you are a Chinese. Still claiming to be filipinos? I dont fall for that game. lol Stop lying to yourself, at least your home country China is still kind of better today than the Philippines after it opened up to the world/west and realized how dumb it had been to adopt Soviet Communism/Maosim.lol So i don't see why you try and hide your home country(well though i know you think it will give you more credibility on here. lol) Anyway, at least today your home country China is far better off, from the time you were poorer than even North Korea before you opened up to the west?lol

You talk about being proud we handed Hong Kong over to you, That should be a matter of big shame to you not pride. The very fact that a remote European island country far away from Asia came all the way to your own home country, defeated you in YOUR OWN LAND, made you sign a treaty you didn't want to, and 'leased' your territory Hong Kong and ruled it for over 2 centuries should be a matter of shame to you, not pride. If i was the one i wont even be mentioning this at all. I wont even talk about small Portugal who also had their own go with China.
JESUS CHRIST.....Basically every world power(U.S,BRITAIN,FRANCE,PORTUGAL.JAPAN,GERMANY etc) had a go with your country it seems. LOL

I don't see why you are proud a far away European country who is at the other side of the Ocean gave you back YOUR OWN LAND after ruling it for centuries. If i was you, I WILL KEEP SILENT,i wont even mention that to be honest.LOL

As for Xijiang , you are even Lucky the Russian failed after trying to carved it out(like they had successfully don with Mongolia prior to that) from you people, due to KMT troops intervening to stop it from happening yet again. So much for your Russian brotherhood friends. lool
To be honest your country should be the LAST COUNTRY TO MAKE FUN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY'S PAST CENTURY WAR EXPERIENCE.

European Powers Dividing up China 1898 Photographic Print by Chris Hellier - AllPosters.co.uk

So calm down and stop making fun of Scandinavian countries like Finland who at least fought your Russian patrons to a standstill even though they were outgunned and had far less manpower than the Russians. You are not much better AT ALL than them. Stop defending your Soviet bosses blindly.

As for Britain, well there's nothing more to say, the very fact that you and the world speak our language is prove enough that we still have ALOT of influence globally. How many non Chinese people in the world speak Chinese? Its due to a reason you know.



They all love Europe my dear. Its for a reason you know We have the best living standards that they are yearning to achieve. So its all but normal. How can you compare a developed country with high living standards and GDP per capital of almost $50000 with developing country with relatively low living standards and GDP per capital of $7000?

Its no wonder their officials/leaders/authorities/rich and those who can afford will keep sending their families/children here to live and study while they claim back home how they should be patriotic and fight against the 'evil' west. Even their leader sent his daughter to study in U.S. lol
Its just politics and hypocrisy you know.

Putin's daughter Maria has 'fled Holland' after Dutch fury at Russia's response to MH17 disaster | Daily Mail Online
Chinese communist leaders denounce U.S. values but send children to U.S. colleges - The Washington Post
Almost Half of China's Rich Want to Emigrate - Businessweek
Rich Chinese Flee, Bringing Their Wealth With Them
Rise in rich Russians moving to the UK - Home Office figures | City A.M.
Why are Russians moving to Britain? - Telegraph
Russian oligarchs buy UK visas for £1million | Daily Mail Online
Boom in British visas given to wealthy Chinese | Daily Mail Online
Canada Stops Migrant Scheme: Other Countries Rich Chinese Can Choose
Plan B for China's Wealthy: Moving to the U.S., Europe - WSJ

Figures dont lie.

Filipino in Egypt

If europe and japan is so strong, they should leave China divided forever, too bad they can't. Don't dwell on the past, it's not healthy.

Yes, white minority in the western world is the best thing to happen.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Poland is prosperous, no wonder almost half the population is in britain.

True everyone wants to live in london, that's why the natives are now the minority. Hopefully same will happen in the whole of europe where whites will finally be a minority.

Sorry but when it comes to economic power, the only thing that matters is size, so it's true Philippines >>> finland.

In Haskell, the >> function is a monadic operator. It is used for sequentially composing two actions, discarding any value produced by the first. In that regard, it is like the statement sequencing operator in imperative languages, such as the semicolon in C.

So "Philippines >>" equates to "0" and you claim that Finland economic power is negative ("0" > Finland).

There is no ">>>" operator:
"The triple greater-than sign (>>>) is the default Python prompt of the interactive shell, often seen for code examples which can be executed interactively in the interpreter- project-dir"

 

[FullSerivce]

Why British, Turks, and Scandinavians so strongly hate Russians? You are the same victims of promotion as well as Russians, only in the opposite direction.

Soviet-Finnish war. shame for the Russian generals, And in everything — study of the plan of invasion, equipment of troops to winter campaign, return of orders, brain washing of the same soldiers and etc.
Finns after all managed to defend the independence. Moreover, failures of approach of Red army in December, 1939 — the first half of January, 1940 caused huge damage to prestige of the Soviet Union in general and its armed forces in particular. The whole world laughed at huge troops which one and a half months were trampled down on the narrow isthmus which isn't able to break resistance of tiny Finnish army. Politicians and military hurried to draw a conclusion on weakness of Red army. Especially fixedly followed the developments on the Soviet-Finnish front in Berlin where certain conclusions were drawn.
Continuation of a banquet wonderfully coincided with the Great Patriotic War and proceeded till September, 1944. You judge: after recent war it became finally clear that alone not to stand — yes here trouble: to recent allies was not to them. France lost and actually lay under a heel of Germany, England tried to be protected somehow from gifts of Luftwaffe, and America, as always, was going to drive on a black horse at the end of representation and to gather the lost — but solemnly broke off 7.12.1941. To become Finnish the Soviet Socialist Republic with Bolsheviks, cleanings and camps there was no categorical wish, and Germans promised all help, not to attempt upon the sovereignty moreover and to revenge the recent offender. Well how here to refuse? The German troops let to the country, though without special enthusiasm, under one condition — strongly not to play pranks.
"Tourists" right there started provoking the Soviet frontier guards, to arrange attempts of sabotage and in general uncivilizedly to behave, on what the USSR snapped, strewing civil objects of the Finnish cities with bombs. The German divisions with assistance of the Finnish crossed border and started giving painful lyuly to Red Army men, not ready to such turn of events. Boundaries quickly enough and with the minimum losses were removed to "old border", even moreover — the part of the Soviet territory (almost all Karelia) was occupied. But thanks to the Karelian ukreprayon with powerful Pillboxes, parts so-called "Stalin's Lines", the attacking capacity of army went down, Finns became sad, started in large quantities refusing to go to attack, began to strengthen positions fortification constructions and went to defense, to huge displeasure of generals of the Reich. To Mannergeym even suggested to head storm of Leningrad, but he refused, having limited to participation in blockade, having cut together with allies of communication. The city was taken in pincers from all directions.
England which was got finally by all this confusion preventing to supply the USSR with the weapon, the food and to an other nayebusiness, politely asked Finland to drop out of the war, on what that politely answered that is as if protected and not to it to solve it. Having realized that negotiations to anything won't lead, Great Britain together with the anal slaves colonies declared it war, but it had no leading role as at military the udachakh of Germany long hands of British if would reach Finland, at a distant day.
In the 1943rd, having learned that near Stalingrad affairs of Wehrmacht go not really smoothly, Finns became sad even more strongly. Probably, the government and commanders had serious reasons to doubt, whether correctly they chose the party and whether Germany to the knees will be able to force the country which population is more several times. On the other hand, and especially they weren't going to be zealous in beating of the Soviet citizens as in case of the Scoop prize to them would remember everything, all and at once. Therefore for all war only some operations which are doing not come within miles of that hell that made Wehrmacht were performed.
Until it became clear that "kolbasnik" not attacked those, the government nervously waited, understanding position of the country between a hammer of Allies and an anvil of the Axis: well there was a strong wish to finish buttle on the party of winners. In addition to it, the Red Army men trained in fights with Wehrmacht already strong vlomit to Finns and surely hacked the built-up Mannergeym's line, having rejected Finns from Leningrad. Then it became clear that with the Artist (Hitler) and To them not on the way, the last was naturally sent in pedestrian erotic, and negotiations with the USSR and allies began. The seized territories had to be returned, and to send nazi epigones to a final journey by own efforts, but the former mistakes which won them didn't begin to remember.

and yes, Russia isn't included even into the five of the most drinking countries.

 

[senheiser]

I really do not have any opinion about RUSSIANS.
The few I met, (in Irkutsk) were quite friendly.
I do have an opinion about Russian / Soviet policy.

It is not a cooincidence that all European countries that were "liberated" by the Soviet Union
have joined NATO to avoid a repeat of the experience.
Stalins terror regime bears the blame.
Now Putin is slowly trying to copy him (still some way to go, though).
The former Soviet Republics still allied with Russia, are horrible dictatorships, the lot.
His support for el-Assad, as well as his former support for Saddam Hussein stinks.

No country however, have suffered more from Russian/Soviet policy than Russia.
Mothers of Russian Soldiers killed in Ukraine are now forbidden to even tell
the world why their sons were killed. It is a state secret.

Shame on You!



I would assume that both Sweden and Finland would join NATO at the same time.
Stupid threats and provocations from Russia are simply counterproductive,
and increases the probability that we join NATO.

How does it feel Senheiser, that you are working FOR Sweden joining NATO?

Must be really frustrating to not be able to change your pattern of behaviour
So You actually support Your goals.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Maybe You should seek a doctor for that nervous twist in Your left arm...

Why British, Turks, and Scandinavians so strongly hate Russians? You are the same victims of promotion as well as Russians, only in the opposite direction.

Soviet-Finnish war. shame for the Russian generals, And in everything — study of the plan of invasion, equipment of troops to winter campaign, return of orders, brain washing of the same soldiers and etc.
Finns after all managed to defend the independence. Moreover, failures of approach of Red army in December, 1939 — the first half of January, 1940 caused huge damage to prestige of the Soviet Union in general and its armed forces in particular. The whole world laughed at huge troops which one and a half months were trampled down on the narrow isthmus which isn't able to break resistance of tiny Finnish army. Politicians and military hurried to draw a conclusion on weakness of Red army. Especially fixedly followed the developments on the Soviet-Finnish front in Berlin where certain conclusions were drawn.
Continuation of a banquet wonderfully coincided with the Great Patriotic War and proceeded till September, 1944. You judge: after recent war it became finally clear that alone not to stand — yes here trouble: to recent allies was not to them. France lost and actually lay under a heel of Germany, England tried to be protected somehow from gifts of Luftwaffe, and America, as always, was going to drive on a black horse at the end of representation and to gather the lost — but solemnly broke off 7.12.1941. To become Finnish the Soviet Socialist Republic with Bolsheviks, cleanings and camps there was no categorical wish, and Germans promised all help, not to attempt upon the sovereignty moreover and to revenge the recent offender. Well how here to refuse? The German troops let to the country, though without special enthusiasm, under one condition — strongly not to play pranks.
"Tourists" right there started provoking the Soviet frontier guards, to arrange attempts of sabotage and in general uncivilizedly to behave, on what the USSR snapped, strewing civil objects of the Finnish cities with bombs. The German divisions with assistance of the Finnish crossed border and started giving painful lyuly to Red Army men, not ready to such turn of events. Boundaries quickly enough and with the minimum losses were removed to "old border", even moreover — the part of the Soviet territory (almost all Karelia) was occupied. But thanks to the Karelian ukreprayon with powerful Pillboxes, parts so-called "Stalin's Lines", the attacking capacity of army went down, Finns became sad, started in large quantities refusing to go to attack, began to strengthen positions fortification constructions and went to defense, to huge displeasure of generals of the Reich. To Mannergeym even suggested to head storm of Leningrad, but he refused, having limited to participation in blockade, having cut together with allies of communication. The city was taken in pincers from all directions.
England which was got finally by all this confusion preventing to supply the USSR with the weapon, the food and to an other nayebusiness, politely asked Finland to drop out of the war, on what that politely answered that is as if protected and not to it to solve it. Having realized that negotiations to anything won't lead, Great Britain together with the anal slaves colonies declared it war, but it had no leading role as at military the udachakh of Germany long hands of British if would reach Finland, at a distant day.
In the 1943rd, having learned that near Stalingrad affairs of Wehrmacht go not really smoothly, Finns became sad even more strongly. Probably, the government and commanders had serious reasons to doubt, whether correctly they chose the party and whether Germany to the knees will be able to force the country which population is more several times. On the other hand, and especially they weren't going to be zealous in beating of the Soviet citizens as in case of the Scoop prize to them would remember everything, all and at once. Therefore for all war only some operations which are doing not come within miles of that hell that made Wehrmacht were performed.
Until it became clear that "kolbasnik" not attacked those, the government nervously waited, understanding position of the country between a hammer of Allies and an anvil of the Axis: well there was a strong wish to finish buttle on the party of winners. In addition to it, the Red Army men trained in fights with Wehrmacht already strong vlomit to Finns and surely hacked the built-up Mannergeym's line, having rejected Finns from Leningrad. Then it became clear that with the Artist (Hitler) and To them not on the way, the last was naturally sent in pedestrian erotic, and negotiations with the USSR and allies began. The seized territories had to be returned, and to send nazi epigones to a final journey by own efforts, but the former mistakes which won them didn't begin to remember.

and yes, Russia isn't included even into the five of the most drinking countries.

Good summary, even though the English is bad.
But no, I do not see people hate Russians.
Russias foreign policy is another thing. That sucks.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Filipino in Egypt

If europe and japan is so strong, they should leave China divided forever, too bad they can't. Don't dwell on the past, it's not healthy.

Yes, white minority in the western world is the best thing to happen.

I can see that you have been checkmate, you don't have much to say. lool You started it anyway, wasn't my intention to go back to the past and bring back your country's terrible history of oppression/rule at the hands of European powers(Russia included). lol

Its just because you are so blinded by your love for your Soviet patrons(who funny enough also took part in raping/dividing your country. lol) and trying to make fun of peaceful prosperous Scandinavian countries that got me woke up. You are trying to frame to frame it as if its Scandinavian countries who are provoking/being aggressive towards Russia. I know you people respect your soviet bosses a lot, but that doesn't means you should blinded by their actions/aggression. You do know that Russia was also competing with Great Britain, U.S, Germany, Portugal and Japan for the China booty right? check the image below which shows a good depiction of this as you can clearly see the Russian bear. lol

As for Europe and Japan not leaving China divided forever. lol What are you even on about? You think that because we didn't divide/conquer you forever, that means you have somewhat achieved something miraculous? Nope you haven't.

There is no way we could keep you as slaves/under our yoke forever. For GOD's sake we gave even African countries back their freedom after ruling them for centuries as well. So according to you sub--Saharan African countries have also achieved something miraculous because we finally left? Your logic is very funny. In that regard, all our former colonies/territories/zones of influence achieved something miraculous then not just China. From India to Sri Lanka to Sudan to Jamaica etc. so whats your point? It instead just shows that you were not any better than these countries who were all 'victims'.

So chill mate, you are in no position to make fun of rich prosperous Scandinavian countries and their brave experience/achievements during world war II, since your country didn't far any better. If anything you should be supporting Scandinavian countries since your territory was both encroached upon by Russia.

In Haskell, the >> function is a monadic operator. It is used for sequentially composing two actions, discarding any value produced by the first. In that regard, it is like the statement sequencing operator in imperative languages, such as the semicolon in C.

So "Philippines >>" equates to "0" and you claim that Finland economic power is negative ("0" > Finland).

There is no ">>>" operator:
"The triple greater-than sign (>>>) is the default Python prompt of the interactive shell, often seen for code examples which can be executed interactively in the interpreter- project-dir"

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Man don't mind that fake wannabe Filipinos who is actually Chinese. He says very funny stuffs. I am enjoying his trolling though.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Anyway, lets get ack to topic. We will keep providing/cooperating with our Scandinavian friends.
BAE SYSTEMS DELIVERS 12 NEW CV90S TO NORWAY ON SCHEDULE
2 September 2015

BAE Systems has delivered 12 new CV90 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs) to the Norwegian Army.
They are the first production batch of a total of 144 new and upgraded CV90s planned for the nation’s Army and represent the next generation of advanced combat vehicles.



The delivery of the CV90s occurred on schedule and took place during a ceremony at the Setermoen Military Camp in North-Norway. The event was attended by several BAE Systems representatives, including Erwin Bieber, president of the company’s Platforms & Services sector, as well as Tommy Gustafsson-Rask, president of BAE Systems Hägglunds AB.

“The delivery of these vehicles on schedule and within cost illustrates the highly collaborative, robust relationship between the Norwegian authorities, BAE Systems and its Norwegian industry partners,” said Gustafsson-Rask. “We look forward to sustaining that relationship as we continue to carry out this contract over many years to come.”

The Norwegian Defence Logistics Organisation and BAE Systems signed a contract in June 2012 for the production of the 41 new vehicles as well as upgrades to 103 of the Army’s existing fleet of CV9030s. The upgrades include enhanced capabilities for protection, survivability, situational awareness, intelligence, and interoperability.

The IFV program is a key part of the Norwegian military’s ongoing modernization. The CV90 is a next generation combat vehicle, one of the most advanced in the world, and is also a mature, proven, and cost-effective solution.

“We are very proud of giving our soldiers the best IFV in the world. It is thanks to a close and intensive cooperation with BAE Systems Hägglunds and with Norwegian industry for several years that led to this delivery,” said Colonel Ragnar Wennevik, the Norwegian Army’s CV90 project leader. “We received the CV90s exactly on the date we wrote into the contract more than three years ago and that is something that we are very pleased with. BAE Systems Hägglunds is a good partner and we hope we can continue to develop the relationship during the many years of use for the CV90 fleet.”

The 144 vehicles are designed to operate in five configurations, 74 for infantry fighting, 21 for reconnaissance, 15 for command and control, 16 for engineering support, 16 in a multi-role configuration, and two for driver training.


BAE Systems Hägglunds developed a comprehensive partnership with Norwegian industry to develop, produce, and deliver these vehicles. Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace, Nammo Raufoss AS, CHSnor AS, Moelv, and Ritek AS Levanger are among the companies playing a key role in delivering on the contract.

“Our industrial cooperation in Norway is extensive and critical, especially when collaboration across industry is a major factor for international success,” said Gustafsson-Rask.

BAE Systems Hägglunds, based in Örnsköldsvik, Sweden, is a leading provider of tracked and wheeled combat vehicles, and also develops versions that can be used for civilian purposes. BAE Systems Hägglunds is a subsidiary of BAE Systems, Inc. headquartered in the United States.

Ref. 109/2015

BAE Systems Delivers 12 New CV90s to Norway on Schedule | BAE Systems | International

WIN -WIN for both countries.Lets all keep Europe safe.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Sweden Considers Joining UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force
By Gerard O'Dwyer11:25 a.m. EDT October 4, 2015
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HELSINKI — Sweden is not ruling out the possibility that it may apply to join the elite British-led Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF), although no formal process exists to do so, Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist said.

Hultqvist has been summoned by the Defense Committee of the Riksdag, Sweden's parliament, to confirm if the government is engaged in formal talks to join the JEF without the parliament’s knowledge.

Amid Russia’s military intervention in Ukraine and an increasingly aggressive and unpredictable Kremlin, Sweden has intensified efforts to shore up its defense capabilities by actively seeking to join bilateral and multilateral defense cooperation in Northern Europe.

British expeditionary special forces and advisers are spread in several conflict zones in Ukraine, Africa and Middle East

The Riksdag committee's desire for an explanation also takes place amid deepening defense cooperation with NATO, coupled with the disclosure of a classified memorandum from November exploring the value of Sweden joining the JEF.

The memorandum — prepared by Col. Mats Danielsson, the Swedish MoD’s defense attache to its embassy in London — revealed the existence of unofficial contacts between Sweden and Britain that could take neutral Sweden into the NATO-allied JEF.

Anna Kinberg Batra, the leader of the pro-NATO Moderate Party, demanded that Prime Minister Stefan Löfven’s Social Democratic-Green government establish a more open and transparent stance with the legislature over NATO and the JEF.

"We need to have a broad public debate on membership. Therefore, we need to know how the government plans to keep the parliament informed about important changes in NATO cooperation," Batra said.

Opposition parties, including the Moderates, are urging Löfven to present a positional statement to the Riksdag that will set out the government’s end-game strategy in defense deepening with NATO and outline any future role for Swedish forces in the JEF, a force that will include Nordic-Baltic NATO members Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands.

Secretive, behind-the-scene discussions over joining the JEF, Batra said, reinforced Sweden’s image globally as a country that is "part of NATO but without the benefits that actual NATO membership would deliver."

Hultqvist did not deny the existence of the MoD memorandum, titled "Orientation of JEF and requests for Swedish participation." However, the defense minister stated that because Sweden has not received a formal invitation to contribute to the JEF, the issue of its membership is speculative.

"Consequently there is no preparation taking place in Cabinet," he said.

Sweden’s interest in joining the modular-organized JEF stems from its potential role as a rapid response force should a crisis erupt in the High North or Baltic Sea regions, and one or more NATO member states come under attack.

The formation of the 10,000-strong JEF began in December 2012. It is designed to operate alone or jointly in support of NATO, European Union or United Nations missions in Europe, the Middle East or the Arabian Gulf.

The UK element of the JEF will comprise lead commando, airborne, armored, aviation, air and maritime task groups drawn from the Royal Marines, British Army, the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy.

Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands signed a letter of intent with the UK in 2014 to join a fully operational high-readiness JEF in 2018.

The JEF will operate independently and separate from NATO’s Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF) of about 30,000 land, sea, air and special operations troops, to which the UK is contributing 1,000.

The Nordic-Baltic representation in JEF enhances the unit’s potential future role as a "first in" force, capable of deploying in two to five days, in potential crisis-conflict situations in the region .

The London Embassy memorandum noted that the UK would likely welcome Sweden, observing that its joining the JEF would be "perfectly possible if we wanted to."

As regards to the JEF, the government must provide clarity to its defense-deepening ambitions with NATO and the United States, said Allan Widman (Liberals), the Riksdag Defense Committee's chairman.

"A lot is happening behind closed doors in terms of secret discussions that we do not know about," Widman said. "The government appears willing to allow Sweden to increase its dependence on NATO but isn’t yet ready to talk about membership."

The clear implication, he said, is that Sweden’s unilateral dependence on NATO continues to strengthen while the country’s national defense organization becomes more reliant on individual countries within NATO.

"Sweden is coming ever closer to NATO and to Article Five in the NATO statutes which deals with collective defense," Widman said.

The government must adopt the same degree of openness and transparency in its dealings with the JEF and NATO that it has exhibited in its defense-deepening relationships with neighbors Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Widman said.

Sweden and fellow nonaligned Nordic defense partner Finland are already in the NATO Response Force (NRF), the high-readiness unit comprising land, air, sea and special operations forces. Sweden joined the NRF in 2013 and Finland in 2008.

NATO membership is certain to become an even greater focus, if not priority, for the Löfven government. Pro- NATO sentiment is rising in Sweden. A recent poll showed 41 percent of Swedes favor NATO membership while 39 percent remain opposed and 20 percent are undecided.

Political relations between Stockholm and Moscow remain frosty. Russia has repeatedly warned that it will deploy military counter-measures if Sweden joins NATO.

Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallström described relations as "chillier than ever" following a meeting with Russian Ambassador Viktor Tatarintsev on Sept. 17.

Wallström demanded Tatarintsev explain the intent behind his June remarks suggesting Sweden could expect to face military counter-measures from Russia if it joined NATO.

She also sought an explanation for "saber-rattling" comments by Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, who said during a press briefing on Sept. 10 that Swedish membership in NATO would have "politico-military and foreign policy consequences" that would require "retaliatory measures from Russia."

"We wanted to establish that Sweden decides its own foreign and security policies and that we do not accept attempts to, through threats, influence us in this or other matters," Wallström said. "We delivered a clear message. Threats from Russia are unacceptable."

In related news, the Swedish government plans to highlight territorial violations by foreign militaries. Under a new policy, the Armed Forces Command is authorized to inform the public "within hours" of detected incursions by foreign naval vessels or aircraft in Swedish territorial waters or airspace.

Email: godwyer@defensenews.com

Sweden Considers Joining UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force

Hopefully this will soon take shape. @waz Russia's Putin is doing a good job for us.

 

[waz]

Sweden Considers Joining UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force
By Gerard O'Dwyer11:25 a.m. EDT October 4, 2015
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HELSINKI — Sweden is not ruling out the possibility that it may apply to join the elite British-led Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF), although no formal process exists to do so, Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist said.

Hultqvist has been summoned by the Defense Committee of the Riksdag, Sweden's parliament, to confirm if the government is engaged in formal talks to join the JEF without the parliament’s knowledge.

Amid Russia’s military intervention in Ukraine and an increasingly aggressive and unpredictable Kremlin, Sweden has intensified efforts to shore up its defense capabilities by actively seeking to join bilateral and multilateral defense cooperation in Northern Europe.

British expeditionary special forces and advisers are spread in several conflict zones in Ukraine, Africa and Middle East

The Riksdag committee's desire for an explanation also takes place amid deepening defense cooperation with NATO, coupled with the disclosure of a classified memorandum from November exploring the value of Sweden joining the JEF.

The memorandum — prepared by Col. Mats Danielsson, the Swedish MoD’s defense attache to its embassy in London — revealed the existence of unofficial contacts between Sweden and Britain that could take neutral Sweden into the NATO-allied JEF.

Anna Kinberg Batra, the leader of the pro-NATO Moderate Party, demanded that Prime Minister Stefan Löfven’s Social Democratic-Green government establish a more open and transparent stance with the legislature over NATO and the JEF.

"We need to have a broad public debate on membership. Therefore, we need to know how the government plans to keep the parliament informed about important changes in NATO cooperation," Batra said.

Opposition parties, including the Moderates, are urging Löfven to present a positional statement to the Riksdag that will set out the government’s end-game strategy in defense deepening with NATO and outline any future role for Swedish forces in the JEF, a force that will include Nordic-Baltic NATO members Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands.

Secretive, behind-the-scene discussions over joining the JEF, Batra said, reinforced Sweden’s image globally as a country that is "part of NATO but without the benefits that actual NATO membership would deliver."

Hultqvist did not deny the existence of the MoD memorandum, titled "Orientation of JEF and requests for Swedish participation." However, the defense minister stated that because Sweden has not received a formal invitation to contribute to the JEF, the issue of its membership is speculative.

"Consequently there is no preparation taking place in Cabinet," he said.

Sweden’s interest in joining the modular-organized JEF stems from its potential role as a rapid response force should a crisis erupt in the High North or Baltic Sea regions, and one or more NATO member states come under attack.

The formation of the 10,000-strong JEF began in December 2012. It is designed to operate alone or jointly in support of NATO, European Union or United Nations missions in Europe, the Middle East or the Arabian Gulf.

The UK element of the JEF will comprise lead commando, airborne, armored, aviation, air and maritime task groups drawn from the Royal Marines, British Army, the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy.

Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands signed a letter of intent with the UK in 2014 to join a fully operational high-readiness JEF in 2018.

The JEF will operate independently and separate from NATO’s Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF) of about 30,000 land, sea, air and special operations troops, to which the UK is contributing 1,000.

The Nordic-Baltic representation in JEF enhances the unit’s potential future role as a "first in" force, capable of deploying in two to five days, in potential crisis-conflict situations in the region .

The London Embassy memorandum noted that the UK would likely welcome Sweden, observing that its joining the JEF would be "perfectly possible if we wanted to."

As regards to the JEF, the government must provide clarity to its defense-deepening ambitions with NATO and the United States, said Allan Widman (Liberals), the Riksdag Defense Committee's chairman.

"A lot is happening behind closed doors in terms of secret discussions that we do not know about," Widman said. "The government appears willing to allow Sweden to increase its dependence on NATO but isn’t yet ready to talk about membership."

The clear implication, he said, is that Sweden’s unilateral dependence on NATO continues to strengthen while the country’s national defense organization becomes more reliant on individual countries within NATO.

"Sweden is coming ever closer to NATO and to Article Five in the NATO statutes which deals with collective defense," Widman said.

The government must adopt the same degree of openness and transparency in its dealings with the JEF and NATO that it has exhibited in its defense-deepening relationships with neighbors Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Widman said.

Sweden and fellow nonaligned Nordic defense partner Finland are already in the NATO Response Force (NRF), the high-readiness unit comprising land, air, sea and special operations forces. Sweden joined the NRF in 2013 and Finland in 2008.

NATO membership is certain to become an even greater focus, if not priority, for the Löfven government. Pro- NATO sentiment is rising in Sweden. A recent poll showed 41 percent of Swedes favor NATO membership while 39 percent remain opposed and 20 percent are undecided.

Political relations between Stockholm and Moscow remain frosty. Russia has repeatedly warned that it will deploy military counter-measures if Sweden joins NATO.

Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallström described relations as "chillier than ever" following a meeting with Russian Ambassador Viktor Tatarintsev on Sept. 17.

Wallström demanded Tatarintsev explain the intent behind his June remarks suggesting Sweden could expect to face military counter-measures from Russia if it joined NATO.

She also sought an explanation for "saber-rattling" comments by Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, who said during a press briefing on Sept. 10 that Swedish membership in NATO would have "politico-military and foreign policy consequences" that would require "retaliatory measures from Russia."

"We wanted to establish that Sweden decides its own foreign and security policies and that we do not accept attempts to, through threats, influence us in this or other matters," Wallström said. "We delivered a clear message. Threats from Russia are unacceptable."

In related news, the Swedish government plans to highlight territorial violations by foreign militaries. Under a new policy, the Armed Forces Command is authorized to inform the public "within hours" of detected incursions by foreign naval vessels or aircraft in Swedish territorial waters or airspace.

Email: godwyer@defensenews.com

Sweden Considers Joining UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force

Hopefully this will soon take shape. @waz Russia's Putin is doing a good job for us.

Ha! We just talked about this the other day!

 

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Ha! We just talked about this the other day!

Well, they made a good choice. Our boys have been involved in several war zones all over the world since the end of the second world war, so they have the most experience(outside U.S forces) of any expeditionary forces in the world and they are among the best trained as well. Who doesn't know of our SAS special forces.

 

[Transhumanist]

Our boys have been involved in several war zones all over the world since the end of the second world war, so they have the most experience(outside U.S forces) of any expeditionary forces in the world and they are among the best trained as well.

I think France and Norway would take exception to this claim. We've been everywhere the US has, France has been everywhere else. We don't always hitch rides either, nor do you always haul your own butts.

Not all of these are UN approved interventions, and they certainly aren't peacekeeping efforts, though we do those too.

Libya:

Iraq:

Afghanistan:

Several other African nations including Chad, Sudan and Somalia:

Even Syria, though for a different reason that you guys:

Heck, we even stopped by Indonesia following the 2004 tsunami that hit Banda Aceh:

The Dutch were even kind enough to help us en-route to Kyrgyzstan:

And a few other places. You guys have a lot of experience, but so do we and the French. We've been around the world a few times.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I think France and Norway would take exception to this claim. We've been everywhere the US has, France has been everywhere else. We don't always hitch rides either, nor do you always haul your own butts.

Not all of these are UN approved interventions, and they certainly aren't peacekeeping efforts, though we do those too.

Libya:



Iraq:



Afghanistan:



Several other African nations including Chad, Sudan and Somalia:



Even Syria, though for a different reason that you guys:



And a few other places. You guys have a lot of experience, but so do we and the French. We've been around the world a few times.

True my dear, especially France, they can give us a good run for our own money. They are everywhere in Africa. @Gabriel92 .

Norway has a very good record of military involvement/cooperation overseas.

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