Survey on Why Pakistanis support militancy - Harvard

[Zebronic]

i have a question! MUSLIMS are called terrorists! well people completely neglect the fact what breeds these terrorists!

ANSWER:

PALESTIAN,AFGHANISTAN,CHECHNYA,IRAQ,KASHMIR!

COMMON IN ALL IS FOREIGN FORCES KILLING INNOCENTS! SUPPRESION BY A FOREIGN POWER!

this was the case in Vietnam as well! wherever you oppress the poor people innocent people you will automatically breed militancy!

this fact everyone ignores and questions why militancy!

And what about this Islamic terrorist killing Islamic and non Islamic innocent citizen of different countrys.
Difficult to understand why pakistan justify terrorism if its not attacking pakistan...they call ttp terrorist and other terrorist organization as mujahideen or jihadi.
There are so many innocent pakistan citizen is killed in few year ......even then pakistan is dividing terrorist as good or bad...

 

[Kabir Panthi]

What indoctrination, I have studied in Pakistan and never once were such topics discussed. And media wise, most only watch entertainment programs.

I guess the media and schools have indoctrinated you.

There have been many authoritative studies looking at the material taught in Pakistani textbook. Pervez Hoodbhoy has done some excellent work on this - but there are others too.

Perhaps you have internalized the propaganda to the extent that you no longer recognize it as indoctrination.

 

[Usama86]

When any Pakistani makes his/her choice to support any form of militancy, what compels them to do so cannot be inferred by a survey. Human mind is the most complex structure of all and a few questions cannot bring out the desired result. And for someone who does not know much about Islam and its history will find it hard to understand that why this happens in Pakistan, offcourse the support for militancy is largely for religious reasons not political. I personally feel that the elected governments of Pakistan have not been the true representation of the emotions of the people and these militant organisations came into being to bridge the gap. People have never been happy with the internal and external policies of our governments and being a country formed on religious grounds gives the religious leaders a good leverage to move the people accordingly. Every religious leader has his following and can either manipulate them or in good faith can show them the path to support militancy. In my opinion there is an overwhelming support for Jihad in Pakistan

 

[T-Faz]

There have been many authoritative studies looking at the material taught in Pakistani textbook. Pervez Hoodbhoy has done some excellent work on this - but there are others too.

Perhaps you have internalized the propaganda to the extent that you no longer recognize it as indoctrination.

May I ask sir as to where you are from and why are you so concerned about what Pakistan does and does not.

Also provide links to these authoritative studies as I cannot just take your word for it. Similarly, you seem to have internalized authoritative studies to such an extent that you can only find them to be your source of reality. Do you not think that rather than taking a peice of paper seriously, it would be better to ask someone who actually has been in a position to comment on the matter.

 

[SAUD-404]

We pakistanis dont support militancy. someone in harvard can come up with some thing like this this is how west sees us pakistanis, amarican should come clean about what they really need from af/pak if its in our interest too then we ppl of af/pak will stand shoulder to shoulder with the west in this war like in russian war. I some time wonder that this anti-terror war is more like a confused war of 21st century.it confused and there is also trust deficit between every stakeholder of this alliance.

 

[T-Faz]

There have been many authoritative studies looking at the material taught in Pakistani textbook. Pervez Hoodbhoy has done some excellent work on this - but there are others too.

Perhaps you have internalized the propaganda to the extent that you no longer recognize it as indoctrination.

I am asuming that you are from India, where what you said occurs in Pakistan also occurs on a greater scale over there. Just one trip to one of their news papers can shock you when you read the comments posted by Indians on Pakistani news.

I guess you too have been indoctrined to beleive that we all are terrorist sympathisers and our sole existence is that based on India as said by many Indian commentors on blogs and forums. A guy like me cant even name all the states of India or even 5 of its Prime ministers but apparently according to Indians we are out to kill them.

Like the saying goes, tell a lie long enought to see it become the truth.

 

[Usama86]

Talking about the educated supporting militancy, yes it is true because the poor unfortunately dont have much knowledge about religion. People support Jihad and not militancy (at least in their minds its jihad) because it gives them a sense of hepling the right to prevail over wrong as the people of Pakistan have been wronged through out the country's history and the injustice all over the world moves a common man to do something or atleast support something he see as right. Things mess up when religious leaders for their gains manipulate people to support a wrong cause. This is why i hold the government responsible for loosing the diplomatic battles on geo-political issues as it frustrates the people and make them take matters in their hands. I am sure that if our government takes a right stance on the current situation a common Pakistani will not feel the need to support any militancy because they will find comfort in their government's stand.

 

[sparklingway]

There have been many authoritative studies looking at the material taught in Pakistani textbook. Pervez Hoodbhoy has done some excellent work on this - but there are others too.

Perhaps you have internalized the propaganda to the extent that you no longer recognize it as indoctrination.

Hoodbhoy's work was a summarization for mainstream print media and SPDI's report was also a continuation of the scholarly work done by two of Pakistan's most noted historians; Khursheed Kamal Aziz and Mubarak Ali.

K K Aziz's "Murder of History" and "The Pakistani Historian" are the prime books on the subject of distortion of history in Pakistani textbooks and academic world as well. Mubarak Ali's "History on Trial" looks into the further past especially the portrayal of conquerors and rulers of South Asia and their depiction in popular Pakistani history.

This thread doesn't deal with this topic, hence I propose burying this right here.

 

[k_n]

What indoctrination, I have studied in Pakistan and never once were such topics discussed. And media wise, most only watch entertainment programs.

I guess the media and schools have indoctrinated you.

I hope you have gone through the content in the report , although you simply reject the findings .
As an Indian I would ask you FEW questions , answer to which holds the potential to end all arguments in this thread .

Q1 Do you MORALLY support the ARMED STRUGGLE AGAINST
INDIAN SECURITY FORCES IN KASHMIR ?

Q2 Do you abhor the fact that Hindus have been completely wiped out from the Kashmiri speaking districts in the valley after being targetted as a community by the millitants during the breaking of millitancy ?

Q3 If the solution of the Kashmir problem arrives and it secedes from India , would you prefer and WANT Kashmir to be either a part of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN or a SOVEREIGN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC instead of a Democratic Republic based on secular values ( akin Turkey with absolutely no role of Religion and Clergy in affairs of the state ) ?

 

[ramu]

I hope you have gone through the content in the report , although you simply reject the findings .
As an Indian I would ask you FEW questions , answer to which holds the potential to end all arguments in this thread .

Q1 Do you MORALLY support the ARMED STRUGGLE AGAINST
INDIAN SECURITY FORCES IN KASHMIR ?

Q2 Do you abhor the fact that Hindus have been completely wiped out from the Kashmiri speaking districts in the valley after being targetted as a community by the millitants during the breaking of millitancy ?

Q3 If the solution of the Kashmir problem arrives and it secedes from India , would you prefer and WANT Kashmir to be either a part of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN or a SOVEREIGN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC instead of a Democratic Republic based on secular values ( akin Turkey with absolutely no role of Religion and Clergy in affairs of the state ) ?

Excellent questions and we all know the answers.

On the interesting question 3. I would like to tell you that the idea of Pakistan in the mind of Jinnah is very different from the current day Pakistan.

 

[k_n]

Excellent questions and we all know the answers.

On the interesting question 3. I would like to tell you that the idea of Pakistan in the mind of Jinnah is very different from the current day Pakistan.

Its true , though I strongly condemn Muslim League's policies commencing from the Direct Action Day .
Well , lets keep that for some other thread

 

[SMC]

Several reports have stated militancy support in Pakistan is around 5%. These people are barking up the wrong tree.

I remember CNN report once stating 25% of Pakistanis believe TTP is behind the terrorism. That's absolutely non sense and fictional statistic. What they did probably do? They asked Pakistanis whether they believed RAW/Mossad was behind the terrorism. If anyone said yes, they were probably not counted as believing TTP was behind the terrorism. Which is absolutely false, because vast majority believe RAW/Mossad uses TTP as their vehicle for carrying out terrorism.

The manipulation of statistics is a very well known technique used to influence opinion or demonize others. It's certainly the case that CNN did manipulate statistics, and it's probably the case here because Pakistanis DO NOT support militancy.

 

[Omar1984]

Here's the solution:

Free Kashmir, Free Palestine, free all Muslim majority regions that are occupied by hindus and zionists and then there'll be world peace.


Also U.S. must get out of Afghanistan and Iraq as well.


Let the Muslims rule their own land, thats all we ask.

 

[T-Faz]

I hope you have gone through the content in the report , although you simply reject the findings .
As an Indian I would ask you FEW questions , answer to which holds the potential to end all arguments in this thread .

Q1 Do you MORALLY support the ARMED STRUGGLE AGAINST
INDIAN SECURITY FORCES IN KASHMIR ?

Q2 Do you abhor the fact that Hindus have been completely wiped out from the Kashmiri speaking districts in the valley after being targetted as a community by the millitants during the breaking of millitancy ?

Q3 If the solution of the Kashmir problem arrives and it secedes from India , would you prefer and WANT Kashmir to be either a part of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN or a SOVEREIGN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC instead of a Democratic Republic based on secular values ( akin Turkey with absolutely no role of Religion and Clergy in affairs of the state ) ?

Ok I will answer your questions, from my childhood I had heard of problems relating to Kashmir and it being the main source of collusion between our countries. I asked my parents when I was young and they told me that both countries made a few mistakes in the beginning which have could have been solved but now the matter might take a long time to settle. It did not concern me then and it sort of does not concern me now because I have never been to Kashmir and do not know much about it except for from what i have heard in the news. This is true for all my friends and there are many in my neighborhood, we are far too busy with our play station, wrestling and other activities to think about this.

I do not support the armed struggle against the ISF, I do not support any kind of armed struggle because the fact of the matter is that they never have achieved much except for more mayhem and problems for innocents.

It is absolutely inhumane to kick someone out of their home based on religion and I think that by doing such a thing, it only de-values morality and your own cause is lost.

It can be what it wants to be, democratically the people should be allowed to vote, they can choose to stay with India, become a part of Pakistan or become an independent state. Again it should be a secular one, where religion and politics do not mix at all.

Now let me tell you this aswell, Pakistan is as much a secular country as India. India has a upper hand because it did not get rid of its secular tag and one idiot from our country called Zia messed it up by making us an exclusively Islamic country. Now I say Pak is a secular country because I went to a catholic school in Pak, majority of middle and upper class go to these. I have many christians, hindus, buddhists and other religious groups in my neighborhood and we have gone on well for a long time. I have never heard any discrimination aimed at such people or any other group.

Now I think that you need to answer this, India being the biggest democracy, why does it not allow Kashmir's to hold an election to choose what it wants and then decide according to the result what should be done with Kashmir. If they had done this, then hindus just like in other parts of Pakistan would have been able to live in their home and not face many problems. Militancy wouldn't have arised and India and Pakistan will have peace.

Why doesn't India, being the bigger country, hold a fair election in Kashmir and let them decide. It would be the end of the whole matter.

P.S. I have become quite concerned by the comments that people from India post on the internet against Pakistanis, whether it is their national newspaper or youtube, the worst of all hatred is aimed at us. I want to know why does this happen and why do so many people say the most despicable of things to put us down.

 

[qsaark]

Free Balochistan, free Sindh, free Gilgit-Baltistan, free Afghania. Free all the colonies of Pakistani Punjab. That's all that humanity asks for.

Replying to this nonsense would be an utter waste of time. This level of illiteracy (jihalat) is reportable, hence reported.