Surat bombs traced to govt factory

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Salim,

Many articles will have content that is prejudicial to one side or the other - however there is little point in questioning the motivations of the poster. The issues raised in the article need to be addressed, not the motivations of whoever posted it.

Stealth, after his initial post, did attempt to do just that, and that is the sort of discourse that enhances peoples understanding of events and issues.

If Dabong had posted his own comments, and you disagreed, have at him.

That is all I was getting at.

Following your logic, we should refuse to allow any non-Pakistani to post any thing negative about Pakistan (whatever negative is interpreted to be), and the same for non-Indians posting about India - since 'motivations' will always be suspect.

Here is what has been posted:

NGOs demand independent inquiry into Ahmedabad blasts

* Groups claim bombs recovered in Surat traced to govt factory in Dholpur
* Say police only crack down on Muslims after every incident of terrorism

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: A group of Indian NGOs on Monday demanded an independent inquiry by a judicial commission into the recent bomb blasts in Ahmedabad and the discovery of a series of bombs in Surat, another city of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party- (BJP) led state of Gujarat.
The groups claim the bombs recovered in Surat had been traced to a government factory in Dholpur in Rajasthan, another BJP-ruled state, and the ammonium nitrate trail to Nagpur, where the ultra-nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) headquarters is located. Shabnam Hashmi, the chief of an NGO, Anhad, who organised the press conference, said all participating NGOs had condemned the terrorist attacks, but added that the mystery of how not a single bomb had exploded in Surat had warranted them to demand an inquiry.
Dr Asghar Ali, the chief of another NGO, the All-India Secular Forum, said the fact that police had used cranes to remove bombs planted on top of a tree and behind a hoarding made one wonder if the alleged terrorists had used similar cranes to plant the bombs there in the first place.

Crack down on Muslims:

Ali and Shabnam also expressed concern that police only cracked down on Muslims after every incident of terrorism, rounding up mostly the innocent and torturing them without solving the case.
They said it was not for the first time that bombs had been used to cause such large-scale destruction in Ahmedabad, adding that similar bombs had also been used in the 2002 riots to blow up mosques, Dargahs and Muslim residences. “Who had made these bombs? Certainly not the Muslims who are being accused,” they said.
Shabnam alleged that many people who came forward to depose before the public hearing conducted into the Gujarat massacre and other riots were being targeted by authorities to make them desist from raising voice against any further atrocities by police and security forces. She claimed that even some human rights activists had been targeted and put in jail.
In their joint statement, the NGOs asked, "Is it not too much of a coincidence that Surat bomb detonators have been traced to a government factory in Dholpur in Rajasthan, a BJP-ruled state, and the ammonium nitrate trail to Nagpur, where the RSS headquarters is situated?"
Moreover, they noted that it was not the Surat police or any crime detection agency, but locals who had found a total of 27 live bombs in Surat. They also demanded suspension of Ahmedabad's police commissioner, who had targeted journalists by registering sedition cases against them and had failed in preventing the terror attacks.
Digant Oza from the People's Movement of India, Lajja Shankar Hardenia, the editor of Secular Democracy, and Jyotsna Shukla from the Quomi Ekta Samiti also addressed the press conference.

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I maybe blind, but where is there any comment?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Following your logic, we should refuse to allow any non-Pakistani to post any thing negative about Pakistan (whatever negative is interpreted to be), and the same for non-Indians posting about India - since 'motivations' will always be suspect.

Aren't you happy that because of your policies this a great forum?

I am.

The day it becomes PDF, I assure Google and others will lose interest to help you on your way to be a great forum with the clicks!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Here is what has been posted:



I maybe blind, but where is there any comment?

Salim - there are a very large number of 'negative' threads (related to Pakistan) that have been initiated by Indians, often without comments - do you hear me questioning the thread posters motivations or addressing the arguments?

If you are interested in Dabong's comments, ask.

P.S: dabong, please do post your comments with whatever article you post, indicating what you would like the readers to take away from it.

 

[dabong1]

Dabong1's non-comment posture implies he believes that the article is right, hence the statement.

"A group of Indian NGOs on Monday demanded an independent inquiry by a judicial commission into the recent bomb blasts in Ahmedabad2

Whats wrong with having a independent inquiry if there is nothing to hide?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Aren't you happy that because of your policies this a great forum?

I am.

The day it becomes PDF, I assure Google and others will lose interest to help you on your way to be a great forum with the clicks!

Quite!

And thank you!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Salim - there are a very large number of 'negative' threads (related to Pakistan) that have been initiated by Indians, often without comments - do you hear me questioning the thread posters motivations or addressing the arguments?

If you are interested in Dabong's comments, ask.

Let me state that I understand that websites are not social programmes.

I am not interested in Dabong's comment since I understand the intent and he would have nothing intellectual to add. His cut and paste is adequate.

As far as negative post, I am well aware of it and you are well aware that I am doing my best to do the same elsewhere, where you all hate to tread!!

 

[dabong1]

Salim - there are a very large number of 'negative' threads (related to Pakistan) that have been initiated by Indians, often without comments - do you hear me questioning the thread posters motivations or addressing the arguments?

If you are interested in Dabong's comments, ask.

P.S: dabong, please do post your comments with whatever article you post, indicating what you would like the readers to take away from it.

Sorry bro...i posted a few articles and then got busy.

 

[dabong1]

Dabong1's non-comment posture implies he believes that the article is right, hence the statement.

Its a fact that there is active collusion between the hindu fundamentalist and the state govt...gujrat....sikh riots ect.
It is not that far fetched to believe that "rough elements" in the the indian administration are trying to derail the peace process with pakistan.

Like i said before your own countrymen are asking for a independent inquiry.....have one.

 

[vish]

"A group of Indian NGOs on Monday demanded an independent inquiry by a judicial commission into the recent bomb blasts in Ahmedabad2

Whats wrong with having a independent inquiry if there is nothing to hide?

Read more about those NGOs and then comment. Also read the manner in which the allegations are made.

The allegations are simple: "These blasts are an anti-Muslim plan... these were carried out by Hindus to kill Hindus and pin the blame on Muslims."

Clearly shows two things: Anti-Hindu prejudice and disregard for the lives lost.

Further, at times like these is it necessary to make such Martian conspiracies, which are not only stupid but are class-A flame baits?

Most people are ignoring one thing: These blasts wanted to exploit the communal tensions in Gujrat. Such statements ensure that this happens.

Further, I see a wierd sense of optimism in your posts that this will happen.

Its a fact that there is active collusion between the hindu fundamentalist and the state govt...gujrat....sikh riots ect.
It is not that far fetched to believe that "rough elements" in the the indian administration are trying to derail the peace process with pakistan.

Like i said before your own countrymen are asking for a independent inquiry.....have one.

You really out of your mind? Do you have any idea how many heads are going to roll in my country because of the "intelligence failures" of these blasts?

Modi just won an election on the basis of investment-friendliness... he will never put his fingers in such a pie. Neither will any Central Government (NDA/UPA) allow him to.

The events that you have mentioned are shameful parts of my country's history, but we have learned our lessons. The immediate deployment of troops in communally-tense areas serves as an example in this case.

Not all my "countrymen" love to see country develop... I've no qualms with an independent inquiry, the manner in which this has been bought forward reeks of communalism.