Support for Gen Kiyani & Pasha

[Secret Service]

PAk Fouj ZIndabad
Pakistan Paindabad ...

 

[Kompromat]

I support !

 

[Developereo]

Let's always keep in mind that creating division between the people and the army/ISI will be the greatest victory for the enemies of Pakistan. The psychological and physical war being waged by certain countries has precisely that motive.

 

[VCheng]

Let's always keep in mind that creating division between the people and the army/ISI will be the greatest victory for the enemies of Pakistan. The psychological and physical war being waged by certain countries has precisely that motive.

It is not a matter of creating divisions or assigning blame. The WHOLE dog-and-pony show is entering its terminal phases I am truly afraid. Please read this article too:

from: The party is over | Opinion | DAWN.COM

The party is over


By Shada Islam | From the Newspaper

MUCH of the world’s goodwill and patience as regards Pakistan has run out. Let’s not kid anyone: for all the bravado being shown by the country’s discredited politicians and military brass, Pakistan’s reputation has hit rock bottom. It is not going to recover for some time unless the country’s leaders agree to make a fresh start.

Those who have got the country in this awful mess will most likely find safe haven elsewhere, leaving behind a nation shattered by the ruling classes’ duplicity and/or stupidity in failing to deal with religious extremism and mismanagement of the economy. Ever since Osama Bin Laden was killed, found living practically next door to the military academy in Abbottabad, like many other Pakistan-watchers, I have followed developments in Pakistan with a rising sense of anger, frustration — and grim amusement.

The Pakistani political and military establishment’s ability to delude themselves over their reputation and the country’s role in the world has always amazed me. My columns have often struggled to reflect how people outside Pakistan — including EU officials, ordinary Europeans and many members of the Pakistani diaspora — really view the country, what they actually say when the ministers and diplomats have left the room and they know they can talk freely and off-the-record to a journalist.

I’ve always believed it counterproductive to live in a state of denial. But that appears to be the permanent state of mind of many in Pakistan, the general belief being that if you say it loudly enough, often enough and to as many possible as possible, somehow an illusion can turn into reality. Unfortunately, the real world does not work like that. So here’s my modest attempt to distinguish between myth and reality in an honest worldview of post-Osama Pakistan.

— The US operation against Osama is an ‘embarrassment’ for Pakistan. No it isn’t: it is a humiliation, a slap in the face for the country’s leaders — civilian and military — who have been shown to be either duplicitous and/or clueless. I’m frankly not sure what is worse. Instead of trying to strut their stuff, Pakistani policymakers should be apologising to the nation — and to the rest of the world — for having willingly or unwittingly misled everyone for the last 10 years.

— As in the past, Pakistan will be able to overcome negative world opinion. Not really, not this time. Pakistan’s reputation — not really that bright at the best of times — has taken a very strong blow. Rebuilding global goodwill will be an uphill struggle for even the best-paid American PR firms, not to mention Pakistan’s beleaguered diplomats.

— People forget. Again, not this time. There have always been suspicions about the Pakistani security services’ ability to ‘look two ways’: clamp down on the terrorist groups that they do not like while helping and ‘nurturing’ those they see as ‘foreign policy tools’ to project Pakistani influence in Afghanistan and India. The Osama episode proves that global misgivings about Pakistan’s double game were right. Good luck to those who try correcting that impression.

— Pakistan is an important, indispensable nation. Whatever it does, it will be forgiven. After all, the US administration has promised to keep providing aid and the EU has said that the country needs “more support than ever”. Yes, some people do believe that Pakistan’s help is needed to stabilise Afghanistan, especially in view of US plans to withdraw in 2014. But others in the US and Europe — especially in Congress and the European Parliament — disagree with that view and believe it’s time to put relations with Islamabad on the back burner. The result of the debate will depend on how Pakistani leaders conduct themselves in the coming weeks and months.

— As Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said, this is an “intelligence failure of the world”. Well done, Mr Gilani. Passing the buck is an old Pakistani tactic and the speechwriter who came up with this argument probably deserves a medal. But this is really Pakistan’s failure. Mr Gilani and others should take responsibility for it, and do better in dealing with the many terrorist networks still operating inside and outside the country.

— The Pakistan Army works in the country’s national interest. It probably does but I have often wondered when Pakistan would wake up and question the myth that the army and security services are the only stabilising forces in Pakistan. Let’s be frank: Pakistan is in this mess over Osama — and more generally as regards the fragility of its institutions — because the security forces have played hide-and-seek with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups and disseminated a fictional narrative of power and authority to Pakistanis and the rest of the world.

— The civilian leaders deserve world support. Yes, but only to a point. Civilian governments in Pakistan have given democracy a bad name, led a trusting population up the garden path and filled their pockets with ill-gotten gains. If they want public support, Pakistan’s civilian leaders must come clean over past mistakes, assert their authority over the military and get the economy in order.

In other words, it’s time to wake up and get to work. Pakistan’s ruling elite has to stop pretending it can keep living in a twilight world of ambiguity and half-truths. With honest leaders, countries can change their destinies and restore their reputations.

Pakistan’s long-suffering population deserves a better future.

The writer is Dawn’s correspondent in Brussels.

 

[jahangeer yousaf]

We have started campaign by ourselves and i am pleased to see that our nation has big heart.We do mistakes daily and how much time we do our accountability never atleast i forget i cannot say about others. This is very beautiful from army they respected the parliament and purposed themselves in front of our corrupt leaders. this is the start of our good journey INSHALLAH, this is for the very first time in the history of pakistan any of the pakistani leader offered a resignation and even offered himself for accountability.

now we need to make sure we convince our friends family members that our arm forces are still superior to any arm force in the world .

and i need moderator to keep an eye on indians and don't allow them to troll this thread.

this thread purely belongs to pakistani nation

International media gonna try hard to declare ISI as a terrorist and our support with the help of ALLAH won't let it happen INSHALLAH

and one last thing i will visit today to imran khan office and i will try to meet him and i will ask him to start a campaign to support pak army and ISI and ask youth to come in front ..... you guys do what you can at your end ........

and i will try to visit GHQ as soon as i can with a big banner printed over it we support Gen kiyani and pasha as top brass of army and ISI


Once i read somewhere "IF YOU HAVE SO MANY ENEMIES THEN YOU ARE REALLY SOMETHING WORTHY"

and look at pakistan .... pakistan arm forces ...... we being a pakistani including our forces are really something worthy

let's make it count

may ALLAH help us AMEEN

 

[jahangeer yousaf]

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[Solomon2]

Let's always keep in mind that creating division between the people and the army/ISI will be the greatest victory for the enemies of Pakistan.

No, it will be a great victory for the people of Pakistan. You know that the Army isn't responsible to the people or their elected representatives; instead the people and officials are supposed to be responsible to the Army, or at least the ISI and its sister organs! It's a junta, not a democracy, and the sooner the people of Pakistan realize that the better off they will be.

 

[pakdefender]

No, it will be a great victory for the people of Pakistan. You know that the Army isn't responsible to the people or their elected representatives; instead the people and officials are supposed to be responsible to the Army, or at least the ISI and its sister organs! It's a junta, not a democracy, and the sooner the people of Pakistan realize that the better off they will be.

go climb a pole

the army has broken down class barriers more than any other institution , the current army chief comes from a humble back ground unlike the 'personality/family based' democRATs that are hell bent on ruining the country.

 

[Perceptron]

We have started campaign by ourselves and i am pleased to see that our nation has big heart.We do mistakes daily and how much time we do our accountability never atleast i forget i cannot say about others. This is very beautiful from army they respected the parliament and purposed themselves in front of our corrupt leaders. this is the start of our good journey INSHALLAH, this is for the very first time in the history of pakistan any of the pakistani leader offered a resignation and even offered himself for accountability.

now we need to make sure we convince our friends family members that our arm forces are still superior to any arm force in the world .

and i need moderator to keep an eye on indians and don't allow them to troll this thread.

this thread purely belongs to pakistani nation

International media gonna try hard to declare ISI as a terrorist and our support with the help of ALLAH won't let it happen INSHALLAH

and one last thing i will visit today to imran khan office and i will try to meet him and i will ask him to start a campaign to support pak army and ISI and ask youth to come in front ..... you guys do what you can at your end ........

and i will try to visit GHQ as soon as i can with a big banner printed over it we support Gen kiyani and pasha as top brass of army and ISI


Once i read somewhere "IF YOU HAVE SO MANY ENEMIES THEN YOU ARE REALLY SOMETHING WORTHY"

and look at pakistan .... pakistan arm forces ...... we being a pakistani including our forces are really something worthy

let's make it count

may ALLAH help us AMEEN

Absolutely, PA is the best armed forces in the world that exists and has ever existed ; After all, how often do you see 90,000 POWs being taken by an inferior force ?

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Army is one place were poor class and middle class find respect by becoming part of it. General Kiyani father was non commissioned officer but look even his son can become most power full thanks to the Pak Army.
I believe in retirement and promotions too. In every good army around the world, how good the General is has to rtd, so a new person can be promoted.
Please save the procedure of normal retirements else it seem selected people are running the country . Even US president, how good he is has to rtd one day.

 

[ephone]

If ISI and pakistan military are found to indeed have secret connections and sponsorship with Taliban and OBL, I think what matters is NOT your forgiveness, but what the world will do to Pakistan in this matter.

 

[Solomon2]

the army has broken down class barriers more than any other institution -

I never said that there weren't some "pluses" to the P.A. I just don't see them as relevant here. You are convinced at the wisdom of their rule rather than politicians, yet you can't change the former if they disappoint you but you can vote against the latter. Doesn't that mean the Army owns you and you are their subject, not a citizen?

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

I never said that there weren't some "pluses" to the P.A. I just don't see them as relevant here. You are convinced at the wisdom of their rule rather than politicians, yet you can't change the former if they disappoint you but you can vote against the latter. Doesn't that mean the Army owns you and you are their subject, not a citizen?

Yes the Army owns me when
1. Civilian power (police) run away from Swat to militant and then army comes to defeat them
2. When civilian government runs away from worst floods in history and army come to help
3. When there are no jobs for poor and middle class and army hires them

 

[American Pakistani]

Well good move by them, but still the trust of Pakistani ppl which they ve broken soo badly will not come so easily, i mean just look there are still drone attacks, both taliban & US are busy in killing Pakistanis & Army is doing nothing. Furthermore, that on one side there are blasts on common innocent Pakistanis by talibans terrorists on the other side US & West are busy trying hard to make a world mindset that Pakistanis are terrorists(all of them).

Allah Bless Pakistan

 

[Solomon2]

Yes the Army owns me when
1. Civilian power (police) run away from Swat to militant and then army comes to defeat them

Ah, but why were the militants allowed to seize Swat in the first place, leaving Army worship the only hope for its oppressed people? Because that's what the Army wanted, of course.

2. When civilian government runs away from worst floods in history and army come to help

A refusal by the P.A. to help would have sent its popularity into the toilet very fast, is that not so?

3. When there are no jobs for poor and middle class and army hires them

Hires them to do what, exactly? Build housing for Army officers' enrichment schemes? Commit Army-worshiping propaganda on the internet?