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Supply routes opened for no money, no apology, no end to drone strikes

I believe you haven't read the news properly. Supply lines will be opened up after Hillary Clinton apologized for the loss of our soldiers and the withheld CSF released.

Back to the topic, i must give credit to the PPP government for sticking to their guns and not falling under pressure in face of massive sabre rattling from the American side. I am still shocked how the government stuck to their guns and didn't budge unless an apology was received. The opening up of GLOC was inevitable but the apology was not. The mere fact that this government kept the supply lines closed up for almost 8 months is astonishing.

You are too liberal with your credit.

Mian, biwi were raazi. Toh kya karta kaazi? (awaam).

They wanted to open the routes from day one. They just wanted a formula, where they can save some face. Why open the routes in the dead of night? Why keep saying whole morning "No deal has happened", yet Kaira comes on TV late at night to confirm it?

There was no apology, what Hillary said now, the US said 2 weeks after the incident. Now suddenly PPP guys says "Wah ji wah, we made them apologize" and you agree with it?

Sab ke saath itna bara hand hua hai ke unko khud ihsaas nahi ho raha. Ask the people who lost their loved ones at the hands of hundreds of terrorist bombings done by the US.
 
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And now we can sponsor Haqqani Network and it can commit terrorism?

Do we really want to be sponsors of Terrorism? Why don't we stop being supportive of Haqqani network? Or is the US just lying?

I mean there is no sense to what you're saying. Now we got license to do terrorism or we were not doing terrorism in the first place?
I am not making sense?

Maybe this will make sense: Bill to declare Haqqani Network a terror outfit in US congress - geo.tv

In the light of the above; Pakistan can be declared as a sponsor of this 'terrorist outfit to be'.

Ball is in Pakistan's court now.

It is easy for you to bash the government in the matters of foreign affairs. We need to be very calculative about our foreign policies.
 
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I am not making sense?

Maybe this will make sense: Bill to declare Haqqani Network a terror outfit in US congress - geo.tv

In the light of the above; Pakistan can be declared as a sponsor of this 'terrorist outfit to be'.

Ball is in Pakistan's court now.

We need to very calculative about our foreign policies. It is easy for you to bash the government in the matters of foreign affairs.

So why don't instead ditch Haqqani Network if we are too afraid of their bill?

Otherwise, imagine - Give Kashmir to India or else we are declaring you terrorists...

Terrorism karni bhi hai lekin koi kahay na terrorists...

I ask you again, have they given you license to be supportive of HN now?

Basically you're saying ek aur tarri lagi and humaray logon ki pant gheeli hogai...
 
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Pakistan should have asked for apology in front of media, does phone apology worth it? That would have been significant. But as many posters have pointed it out that both government wanted to save themselves at the same time routes to be opened.

Is US issuing any funds for relatives of deceased soldiers? If i am right, they deducted 1 million for each years of imprisonment of Dr. Afridi from the relief fund? Why haven't they if they feel "sorry" for Salala incident. Its not about money, its about figurative meaning.
 
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Pakistan should have asked for apology in front of media, does phone apology worth it? That would have been significant. But as many posters have pointed it out that both government wanted to save themselves at the same time routes to be opened.

Is US issuing any funds for relatives of deceased soldiers? If i am right, they deducted 1 million for each years of imprisonment of Dr. Afridi from the relief fund? Why haven't they if they feel "sorry" for Salala incident. Its not about money, its about figurative meaning.

Our guy comes and says "It's not about money".

They come on TV and says we'll take away your money IF...

They DO take away the money.

Our guy is obviously lying.
 
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24 soldiers deliberate killing by NATO is not worth fighting for may be that's what the high command have think it in the end.

But one thing is for certain that TTP and Afghan Taliban will come on the same page when it comes to attacking the convoys inside Pakistan inside our cities and among us. They will plant IED'S they will slaughter the bus drivers and and significant amount of their energy and resources will now be directed towards us from the Afghan war. It is not about opening the supply route but the fashion in which they have opened it will Inevitably turn out to be the biggest strategic blunder of our time. Shame on inept government and the army.
 
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The day when the drones attack increased, Here is less suicide bombing in Pakistan.
Drones are best weapon to kill militants and to minimize civilian deaths.
Those people who suffers they were providing Shelter to Taliban,
In 2014 U.S is leaving Afghanistan.
We should prepare our self for the worst.
U.S should give drone technology to Pakistan otherwise it is very difficult to control the most difficult area of Pak afghan border and mountains area 2500Km.
 
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No ‘secret deal’ with the US: FM Khar

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar has said that the government did not deviate from any parliamentary resolution by reopening ground supply lines to Nato forces in Afghanistan, DawnNews reported.

Khar’s comments came Wednesday as the federal cabinet formally approved its defence committee’s decision of restoring the ground supply routes.

Speaking at a press briefing in Islamabad, the foreign minister said that the US had formally tendered an unconditional apology to Pakistan over the deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers in a US air raid on the Salala checkpost last year.

Khar said that Pakistan had not engaged in any ‘secret deal’ with the US for reopening the key supply routes.

The foreign minister further said that Pakistan had blocked the supplies to the Afghan-bound convoys for almost eight months only to have its principled stance accepted.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday said she was sorry for the loss of life in a US air raid last year. “We are sorry for the losses suffered by the Pakistani military. We are committed to working closely with Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent this from ever happening again,” Clinton had said.

Earlier in April, the parliament had unanimously approved its Parliamentary Committee on National Security’s (PCNS) guidelines for the country’s future ties with the US. The guidelines had also demanded an immediate cessation of drone attacks as well as an end to using Pakistani territory for transportation of arms and ammunition to the Nato forces in Afghanistan.

The 14-point recommendations had declared that Pakistan’s sovereignty should not be compromised and that the relationship with the US should be based on mutual respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of each other.

=http://dawn.com/2012/07/04/no-secret-deal-with-the-us-fm-khar:unsure:
 
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US DoD asks Congress to reprogramme USD8 billion


Daniel Wasserbly - Americas Editor - London



Key Points
•Funding would be shifted to cover the loss of supply lines into Afghanistan through Pakistan, as well as a USD12.13 increase in the cost of fuel.


The US Department of Defense (DoD) has requested that Congress reprogramme nearly USD8 billion in its allocated defence budget for a variety of activities, including equipment fielding and covering higher than expected fuel costs.

The DoD's request must be approved by the four congressional defence panels: the House Armed Services Committee, Senate Armed Services Committee, House Appropriations defence subcommittee and Senate Appropriations defence subcommittee.

In the document, which was transferred to lawmakers on 29 June and made public on 2 July, the Pentagon explained that the "composite fuel price changed from the budgeted rate" of USD131.04 per barrel to an average composite rate of USD143.17 per barrel in Fiscal Year 2012 (FY12).

The increase has caused each of the services to collectively require over USD500 million in funding across their base budget and overseas contingency operations (OCO) accounts. This is in addition to another USD1.7 billion that DoD says is needed "to support Second Destination Transportation shortfalls that resulted from increased fuel costs and continued closure of the Pakistan Ground Lines of Communication".

In November 2011 Pakistan shut off its overland access to Afghanistan for the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) following an air strike near the border that killed Pakistani soldiers.

Negotiations to re-open these supply lines have not so far succeeded and ISAF and NATO have been supplying forces through the Northern Distribution Network (NDN), which can cost three times as much as going from the south through Pakistan.

money is hard to come by even for the lone super power!
 
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So why don't instead ditch Haqqani Network if we are too afraid of their bill?

Otherwise, imagine - Give Kashmir to India or else we are declaring you terrorists...

Terrorism karni bhi hai lekin koi kahay na terrorists...

I ask you again, have they given you license to be supportive of HN now?

Basically you're saying ek aur tarri lagi and humaray logon ki pant gheeli hogai...

What a disscusting & uneducated way of proving unjustifyd points!
In foreign. Affairs there no gheeli pants ?
This thread is a political arm of pti, well whatever your points are, PTI can't get its feet inside parliment.
It will remain most popular, on facebook or other social media, & also on paid surveys but, on the elections day, they are bound to proven wrong.
Pakistan stands tall after showing its importance on the world arena, & is ready to work as a gurntee of peace in the region & in world.
 
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Pakistan-US Compromise: Biggest Losers Are Defense, CIA, India, NDN

SPECIAL REPORT | Wednesday | 4 July 2012

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—The compromise agreement between Pakistan and the United States that allowed the resumption of NATO supplies through Pakistan to Afghanistan is verbal and unwritten.

This serves the interests of both Islamabad and Washington.

The Pak-US stalemate was on the surface focused on a single incident: the deliberate American military attack that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers on November 26, commonly known as 26/11.

But in reality, the Pakistanis used the incident to launch a complete review from the Pakistani side of Pakistan’s cooperation in America’s Afghan war project. The implicit message was this: Islamabad could end the review by exiting America’s war effort, leaving thousands of US troops in Afghanistan in the lurch. To emphasize the point, the Pakistani government and military ceded control over the review to the parliament. Knowing the popular mood in Pakistan, the message was received in Washington loud and clear: parliament will act according to popular Pakistani demands. Unless, of course, Washington met Pakistani demands for an overhaul in terms of engagement.

Islamabad has done a huge favor to the Obama administration by dropping the demand to jack up transit fees on US and NATO containers and allow lethal weapons to pass without screening. American savings due to this Pakistani move during these hard times would be staggering. It is not clear how Pakistan will address the problem of NATO containers ‘leaking’ weapons and other supplies to anti-Pakistan terrorists in Balochistan and on Afghan border. But Islamabad must have received American assurances about something lucrative for them to drop the screening requirement.

Question is: what did Pakistan get in exchange for dropping these two crucial demands: transit fees and container screening?

The Pak-US talks since November were not just about container traffic. They covered a number of critical issues, including the overall role of CIA in the region, the Haqqani network, American posturing on pro-Kashmir groups like LeT to appease India, and India’s role in Afghanistan.

Washington has always wanted Pakistanis to drop the demand to put CIA’s regional brief on paper. That could create legal troubles for the Obama administration, since many of CIA’s actions violate international law and result in killing Afghan and Pakistani civilians in considerable numbers.

So, it is reasonable to say there are a number of things that Pakistanis and Americans appear to have agreed on verbally without putting anything on paper.

Reports are circulating that Washington has matched Islamabad’s concessions with some of its own that can’t be made public now due to domestic American and foreign policy considerations.

Let’s look at who loses what in this compromise.

1. Russia and Central Asia. Some analysts suggest that Russia and a couple other Central Asian states are charging the United States and NATO up to $700 per container. If this figure is correct, the total cost per container probably exceeds $1,000 through the alternate route known as Northern Distribution Network. The Pakistani decision to stay on $250 fee per container restores Pakistan’s position as the cheapest route for US and NATO traffic into Afghanistan.

2. CIA and Department of Defense. Somewhere after 2002, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Department of Defense hijacked Washington’s Pakistan policy. One manifestation of this quiet hijack was the increasing use of US diplomatic passports to send hundreds of CIA agents into Pakistan. This action endangered the lives of real American diplomats and nearly destroyed American diplomacy in Pakistan. But in recent weeks, it appears that other power centers in Washington DC realized that CIA and DoD’s policy could lead to a conflict with Pakistan and ruin Obama’s Afghan withdrawal plans in an election year. The CIA and DoD have tried on numerous occasions to scuttle Pak-US diplomacy. The new understanding between Pakistan and United States applies some brakes on CIA and DoD’s free hand on Pakistan.

3. India. One of the perennial sore points for New Delhi is Pakistan’s strategic location, which makes Pakistan crucial to US diplomacy in three vital regions: West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia. This has been amply proven in the post-Salala diplomacy. Despite all the US posturing, Washington couldn’t get itself to abandon the Pakistani option. This is why New Delhi has used other routes to influence American thinking on Pakistan. The most notable of these routes is to use Indian migrants in the United States and hire American lobbyists to shape an anti-Pakistan narrative. Indians are credited with introducing several concepts to American think tanks, like exploiting Pakistani languages and religious sects to weaken and blackmail the country. This transfer of ‘Indian expertise’ on Pakistan to United States was facilitated by elements in CIA and Pentagon that explored possibilities of intervention in Pakistan during the past decade. The Indian theories on Pakistan, many of which are flawed, are responsible in part for the poor American performance in Afghanistan and for hiccups with Pakistan. Now the worry in New Delhi is this: do the new unwritten Pakistani-American understandings hurt India in any way? India will be especially concerned about any possible American commitments to Pakistan regarding India’s meddling in Afghanistan. Also, India is concerned that the Pakistani-American compromise might affect Washington’s support to pursue leads in the Mumbai attack probe designed to implicate Pakistan. The Indians realize their leads are weak and they need strong American backing to implicate Pakistan. Implicating Pakistan is important for New Delhi because it can help it put Pakistan on the backfoot in Kashmir, where the population is up in arms against Indian occupation.

(PakNationalists.net, probably not good source but some valids points.)
 
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US apology opens way for Pakistan to unlock land route to Afghanistan

Farhan Bokhari JDW Correspondent - Islamabad



The Pakistani government formally approved on 3 July the reopening of a critical supply route through the country to Afghanistan, ending a bitter standoff with the United States and freeing up logistics for the NATO-led alliance in Afghanistan.

The decision came after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton formally apologised to Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar for the killing of 26 Pakistani soldiers in a US airstrike in November 2011 that targeted two of Pakistan's army posts on the Afghan border. Twenty four soldiers died at the scene and two died later of their injuries.

"We are sorry for the losses suffered by the Pakistani military," Clinton told Khar, according to a US State Department statement. "I offered our sincere condolences to the families of the Pakistani soldiers who lost their lives. Foreign Minister Khar and I acknowledged the mistakes that resulted in the loss of Pakistani military lives."

Pakistani officials said that in contrast to earlier reports that Islamabad was seeking to raise the transit fee to as much as USD5,000 per truck from the pre-November fee of about USD500, no additional fee will be charged.

"It was more important for us that this relationship should be reset," a senior Pakistani defence ministry official said. . "The fact that the US has said sorry to Pakistan was more important than the financial payoffs".

Clinton acknowledged that the reopening of the route would help US plans in Afghanistan. "This is a tangible demonstration of Pakistan's support for a secure, peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan and our shared objectives in the region," she said. "This will also help the US and ISAF [the International Security Assistance Force] conduct the planned drawdown at a much lower cost."

The Pakistani official added that more than USD1 billion in outstanding payments from the US under the Coalition Support Fund, which reimburses Pakistan for expenses incurred in maintaining troops along the Afghan border and other types of assistance, "is likely to be released soon". He did not specify a timeframe.


ANALYSIS

The 3 July agreement to reopen NATO's land supply route into Afghanistan via Pakistan has ended the most serious breakdown in US-Pakistani relations since the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

However, it is still early to conclude that the relationship can return to normal. "The resolution to this dispute helps Pakistan and the US to move ahead but there are still unresolved issues," a senior Western diplomat in Islamabad stated. .

By closing the supply route, Pakistan became the focus of criticism by leading US politicians, who have denounced the country as a sponsor of terrorist groups while noting its status as a major recipient of US military aid. Critics in Washington have singled out Islamabad's alleged support for the Haqqani Network, which US officials say operates out of Pakistan's North Waziristan region and routinely attacks Western forces in Afghanistan.

The closure of the route and the subsequent growth in anti-US sentiment across Pakistan has also provided fresh vigour to the Taliban. Taliban militants responded to news of the route's reopening by promising to attack convoys on their way to the Afghan border.

Nonetheless, the reopening of the supply routes will help the Pakistan Army and the Inter-Services Intelligence agency begin rebuilding security ties with the US: ties that had been eroded by the November 2011 airstrike and the covert US special forces' mission to kill Osama bin Laden in the northern city of Abbottabad in May 2011.
 
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from the concise oxford dictionary:

sorry; pained or regretful - an expression of apology.

apology; express regret - regretful acknowledgement of an offense.
 
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It's too late to apologize!!!
 
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Negotiation Breakthroughs in Eurasia and South Asia

July 5, 2012 | 0538 GMT


There were breakthroughs this week in two sets of negotiations in different parts of the world. Both carry strategic implications.


The first breakthrugh involved a long-awaited reconciliation between the United States and Pakistan. Following intense talks between U.S. and Pakistani officials over the past few days, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a statement Tuesday in which the United States acknowledged "mistakes that resulted in the loss of Pakistani military lives" and said the United States is sorry for those losses. Along with the apology, Clinton announced that Pakistan has agreed to re-open supply routes through Pakistan into Afghanistan and will not be charging a transit fee. On Wednesday, thousands of trucks began to line up in Karachi to resume their transit of supplies from Pakistan into Afghanistan.

Clinton's statement puts to rest a seven-month standoff between Washington and Islamabad over a November 2011 U.S. strike on Pakistani border posts that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and prompted Pakistan to cut off U.S.-NATO supply lines to Afghanistan. The loss of the Pakistani supply route pushed Washington to increase its reliance on a longer and costlier northern route through Russia, Central Asia and the Caucasus. However, it wasn't just budget and logistical concerns that drove these uneasy allies to a deal.

The United States, Pakistan and the Taliban are involved in fitful negotiations over a post-U.S. Afghanistan. Washington wants to bring closure to the war and redirect U.S. military attention elsewhere, but it needs an understanding with Pakistan and the Taliban to keep jihadist activity in the region in check. Pakistan does not want to contend by itself with an unmanageable array of militants after Washington's withdrawal. Islamabad is also looking to use the power vacuum in Afghanistan to restore its influence to the northwest. The Taliban is meanwhile trying to get assurances from the United States on the timing of the withdrawal and is seeking guarantees that the Taliban will play a prominent role in a post-U.S. Afghan government.

It took more than seven months to reach this stage and there remain contentious points to sort out, but Washington and Islamabad are apparently prepared to accept any political backlash that comes from the deal for the sake of moving this broader negotiation forward. The question we now need to examine is whether the third prong of this negotiation -- the Taliban -- is ready to advance the talks, or if it sees an opportunity to exploit the last stretch of the U.S. presidential campaign to strengthen its negotiating position by flexing its militant arm.

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