Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

[silent poison]

in a pakistan india face off on a full scale these fighters will be of no use as a single nuclear strike on or near the base will render all the support systems needed to keep these in the air will be rendered uselss.

Nuclear Strike ...

 

[Gessler]

Just checked some configs once again and it seems that a BVR missile can be carried at the external wingstation as well:

That would give a maximum load of 10 x BVR missiles + 2 x wingtip WVR missiles.


Here is a config with 8 x BVR and 4 x WVR missiles:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u225/adux21/MKI-Armed-12AAMs.jpg


And to come back to the topic again, it will be interesting to see if the MKI will get ECM pods at the wingtips like some Chinese or Russian Flankers too:

Even among canard-equipped Flankers, only the Malaysian Su-30MKM carries wingtip
ECMs. MKI currently carries the SAP-14 pods on certerline or nacelle-mounted hardpoints
I think. In addition the new Su-30MKI squadrons on the Chinese border are now
equipped with a growing number of EL/M-2060P SAR pods for reconnaissance roles,
this pod has an effective range of upto 300km IMO.

Im interested in knowing if there shall be any upgrades on the recon-capabilities of
Super-MKI...about ECMs, don't you think they should be made internal? Is that
possible with the Flanker airframe?

Its still a big mystery about what shall be the AESA radar onboard...I hope not something
derived from the Zhuk-AE which is still an immature radar and not suited for the kind
of mini-AWACS roles our MKIs will need to operate in. I hope an AESA-based version of
the existing N011M BARS or the N035 Irbis-E shall be fine. A rear-facing radar in the
tail sting and T/R modules on the wing LEs will also be standard for the Super-MKI.

I think if we get LE-mounted T/R modules, they will be able to perform jamming and
such duties themselves for typical SEAD roles. Although the main lobe will be needed
in order to jam more powerful fighter-based radars like the AN/APG-68(v)9 and any
new Chinese AESA that could arise.

 

[illusion8]

in a pakistan india face off on a full scale these fighters will be of no use as a single nuclear strike on or near the base will render all the support systems needed to keep these in the air will be rendered uselss.

Do any of you Pakistani's think that brandishing your nuke at the drop of a hat unequivocally gives rise to you being called an irresponsible nuclear armed country?

Secondly, as my friend wondered in a diff thread, Why if you have this red button at your ready disposal does Pakistan spend a considerable amount of their available budget on conventional weapons and armaments - wouldn't nukes have sufficed?

 

[Gessler]

in a pakistan india face off on a full scale these fighters will be of no use as a single nuclear strike on or near the base will render all the support systems needed to keep these in the air will be rendered uselss.

If one Indian missile falls on the Pak military HQ in Islamabad, there will be no one
alive to tell your missile forces when to fire and what to fire at

 

[HeinzG]

^^ i think flanker can carry 4 BVR and 4 to 6 WVR missiles

I don't think any pilot would likely mix the BVR and WVR fights. So it would probably be 6 BVR and 4 WVR

 

[HeinzG]

Just checked some configs once again and it seems that a BVR missile can be carried at the external wingstation as well:

That would give a maximum load of 10 x BVR missiles + 2 x wingtip WVR missiles.


Here is a config with 8 x BVR and 4 x WVR missiles:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u225/adux21/MKI-Armed-12AAMs.jpg


And to come back to the topic again, it will be interesting to see if the MKI will get ECM pods at the wingtips like some Chinese or Russian Flankers too:

WTF? You mean MKI don't have ECM pods on them now?

 

[Gessler]

I don't think any pilot would likely mix the BVR and WVR fights. So it would probably be 6 BVR and 4 WVR

In the end it all depends on the mission requirements...it order to intercept incoming
heavy bombers like the Chinese H-6K, more BVRs will be needed. Although MKIs (and
then any other fighter) will
always come in groups of 2, 4, or 6...each MKI can be outfitted with a completely
different weapons suite.

 

[illusion8]

WTF? You mean MKI don't have ECM pods on them now?

Yes, it's clearly missing on that pic.

Here's one with it.

 

[The Deterrent]

If one Indian missile falls on the Pak military HQ in Islamabad, there will be no one
alive to tell your missile forces when to fire and what to fire at

It is in Rawalpindi. Oops, you blew up the wrong joint

 

[Gessler]

It is in Rawalpindi. Oops, you blew up the wrong joint

CAS resides in Islamabad, any nuke is fired with his consent. Any missile that can destroy Isla
can destroy rawl as well.

and PS - your nuclear command HQ is in Islamabad.

 

[The Deterrent]

CAS resides in Islamabad, any nuke is fired with his consent. Any missile that can destroy Isla
can destroy rawl as well.

No he doesn't, you double-nuked Islamabad .

On a serious note Pakistan's Strategic Commands are to be shifted to "unknown" locations in the event of an armed confrontation with India. So no, there won't be any sitting ducks.
Anyways, its off-topic. Carry on with MKIs.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

in a pakistan india face off on a full scale these fighters will be of no use as a single nuclear strike on or near the base will render all the support systems needed to keep these in the air will be rendered uselss.

Why always talk of nukes? Do any of you guys know that both countries have nukes, so in all likelihood, Pakistan will prefer to make a quick truce, rather than using nukes and signing their death warrant. Nukes are a last resort, if IAF is flying over Islamabad, and IA is inside it, only then will nukes be used. Probably will be too late to use it on a base don't you thinkg?

 

[Gessler]

No he doesn't, you double-nuked Islamabad again .

On a serious note Pakistan's Strategic Commands are to be shifted to "unknown" locations in the event of an armed confrontation with India. So no, there won't be any sitting ducks.
Anyways, its off-topic. Carry on with MKIs.

read my edited post ^^ your NCA which commands your nuke arsenal hs its HQ in
Islamabad.

 

[The Deterrent]

read my edited post ^^ your NCA which commands your nuke arsenal hs its HQ in
Islamabad.

Err you won't find where it sits by Googling, trust me.

 

[illusion8]

Thanks for that. But my Q is for the first batch of SU-30MKI that as per 1000kv (1st post) send to Russia for upgrade, and will be back in 2014. On top of that we have the new deal for 42 aircrafts.
Are we agree on that?
And if we are, is the price of 110 billion is for both deals?

Thanks
AJ

I think there is an error in the OP's article - the point to note is SU MKI's are still being built - both in Russia and India and in all likeliness the SUper sukhoi's will be new jets and not older ones.

And, the 110 billion is in Rupees, which has been reversed to $3.5 bn for new jets.

Why always talk of nukes? Do any of you guys know that both countries have nukes, so in all likelihood, Pakistan will prefer to make a quick truce, rather than using nukes and signing their death warrant. Nukes are a last resort, if IAF is flying over Islamabad, and IA is inside it, only then will nukes be used. Probably will be too late to use it on a base don't you thinkg?

He is talking of launching nukes in the preemptive strike itself and taking out IAF and IA bases. ,