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NEW DELHI: Did pilots of the Indian Air Force deliberately crash a perfectly functional Sukhoi Su-30 fighter by ejecting from the aircraft in October in Maharashtra last year? The incident had prompted the temporary grounding of India's entire Sukhoi fleet.


Vitaly Borodich, a senior Vice President with Russia's Irkut, which designed the Su-30, told NDTV, "The Indian Air Force accepts human factors. We know it's the human factor."

Mr Borodich was one of the Russian experts called in to help the Indian Air Force in its crash investigations; he has examined data from the flight data recorder of the jet.




Though Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha has ruled out a deliberate ejection by his pilots, months after the crash, he has no explanation for what happened.

The Air Force chief told NDTV, "There is nothing wrong with the [ejection] system but there is still no human error. The Court of Inquiry report will be out soon." Asked to clarify his seemingly contradictory statement, he said that this was a recurring problem with the Sukhoi aircraft.

The October crash made headlines last year after the Su-30 flown by Wing Commander Sidharth Munje and Flying Officer Anup Singh inexplicably crashed when it was on its final approach to land at the Lohegaon Airbase near Pune. The pilots were not injured; their parachutes deployed, once they ejected from the jet, leaving the pilot-less aircraft to fly into the ground.

This is not the first time that the Indian Air Force has run into trouble with its Su-30 fleet. In 2008 in Bareilly, an airman conducting ground tests on the Su-30 was killed when the ejection seat fired from the aircraft and last year, two pilots on an Indian Air Force Su-30 inexplicably ejected when the jet was taxing for take-off in Jodhpur. Both of them survived.

Like all modern ejection seats, the Sukhoi's Russian Zvezda K-36DM seat needs to be armed by lifting a lever to the side of the pilot. This is done when the aircraft is on the ground and is about to set off on a sortie. By arming the seats, the rocket under the pilot's seat is put in ready-to-fire mode. The rocket ignites if the pilot pulls the ejection handles located between his legs in the event of an emergency. Once the pilot does this, restraints pull the legs of the pilot to his chest, the canopy of the aircraft shatters, and the ejection seat blasts out. The seat then separates automatically from the pilot and a parachute is deployed, bringing the pilot down to Earth safely.

Russian experts say there is no fault in the mechanism of the K-36DM seat which could have prompted an automatic ejection since the Indian Air Force has subsequently cleared its Sukhois for full flight operations.

India has a contract for 272 Sukhoi Su-30 jets from Russia, most of which are being manufactured at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in India under a license from the Russian firm Irkut. The Indian Air Force is the world's largest operator of this type of fighter jet.
Sukhoi Su-30 Crashes Blamed on Indian Air Force by Russian Firm
 
Russian envoy blames 'cowboy' IAF pilots for Sukhoi crash, not technology


New Delhi:
Russia today said there was no glitches on the part of Russian technology in India's front line combat aircraft Sukhoi-30 fleet which was cleared for flying last month after being grounded for nearly a month following a crash.

Russian Ambassador Alexander Kadakin, quoting the report of a probe committee, said there was some problem in ejection of pilots' seats and suggested that it could be a human error.
"There is a report coming from the special commission which was formed that talked about ejection of the seats of the two pilots. This is the conclusion of the commission. There was no glitch on the part of Russian technology," he told reporters.

The entire fleet of Russian-made aircraft was grounded by Indian Air Force in October following a crash near Pune. It was cleared for flying last month.

It was the longest period for which the fleet was grounded since 2009 when its operation was suspended for nearly three weeks following an accident.

Asked about reports of some damage to India's largest warship and aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, he said Russia has not been approached for it.

"We have not been approached. India is known to have very good pilots. You do have excellent pilots and Indian pilots are famous across the world but some of your pilots are like young people.

"They behave like cowboys. They are rash drivers. They want to get out of the machine... It was not a major thing. That's why we have not been approached," he said.

The 44,500-tonne Vikramaditya has been acquired from Russia for over Rs 15,000 crore.

Asked about a problem when the warship was coming to India from Russia, he said it had occurred off the shore of Portugal
when an Indian tanker could not refuel it due to technical issues.

On whether there was any proposal to set up a plant for production of AK-47 assault rifles in Gujarat, he replied in the negative.

Russian envoy blames 'cowboy' IAF pilots for Sukhoi crash, not technology

@Windjammer @MastanKhan
 
Old news but still worthy enough.
Su30 is operated By Russians, Algerians, Indonesians and Indians.

Out off all three total crashes that occurred were from Indian air force. One Su30 of RAF was crashed during acrobats ......

IAF is still champ in plane crashing.....:lol:
 
try to hide his own frutation is ever deterioating situation in al aspects of daily life in land of the pure and the onli thing that gives them some kind of relefe is making fun of india .... i wonder what they call this obsession :sarcastic:

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NEW DELHI: Did pilots of the Indian Air Force deliberately crash a perfectly functional Sukhoi Su-30 fighter by ejecting from the aircraft in October in Maharashtra last year? The incident had prompted the temporary grounding of India's entire Sukhoi fleet.


Vitaly Borodich, a senior Vice President with Russia's Irkut, which designed the Su-30, told NDTV, "The Indian Air Force accepts human factors. We know it's the human factor."

Mr Borodich was one of the Russian experts called in to help the Indian Air Force in its crash investigations; he has examined data from the flight data recorder of the jet.




Though Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha has ruled out a deliberate ejection by his pilots, months after the crash, he has no explanation for what happened.

The Air Force chief told NDTV, "There is nothing wrong with the [ejection] system but there is still no human error. The Court of Inquiry report will be out soon." Asked to clarify his seemingly contradictory statement, he said that this was a recurring problem with the Sukhoi aircraft.

The October crash made headlines last year after the Su-30 flown by Wing Commander Sidharth Munje and Flying Officer Anup Singh inexplicably crashed when it was on its final approach to land at the Lohegaon Airbase near Pune. The pilots were not injured; their parachutes deployed, once they ejected from the jet, leaving the pilot-less aircraft to fly into the ground.

This is not the first time that the Indian Air Force has run into trouble with its Su-30 fleet. In 2008 in Bareilly, an airman conducting ground tests on the Su-30 was killed when the ejection seat fired from the aircraft and last year, two pilots on an Indian Air Force Su-30 inexplicably ejected when the jet was taxing for take-off in Jodhpur. Both of them survived.

Like all modern ejection seats, the Sukhoi's Russian Zvezda K-36DM seat needs to be armed by lifting a lever to the side of the pilot. This is done when the aircraft is on the ground and is about to set off on a sortie. By arming the seats, the rocket under the pilot's seat is put in ready-to-fire mode. The rocket ignites if the pilot pulls the ejection handles located between his legs in the event of an emergency. Once the pilot does this, restraints pull the legs of the pilot to his chest, the canopy of the aircraft shatters, and the ejection seat blasts out. The seat then separates automatically from the pilot and a parachute is deployed, bringing the pilot down to Earth safely.

Russian experts say there is no fault in the mechanism of the K-36DM seat which could have prompted an automatic ejection since the Indian Air Force has subsequently cleared its Sukhois for full flight operations.

India has a contract for 272 Sukhoi Su-30 jets from Russia, most of which are being manufactured at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in India under a license from the Russian firm Irkut. The Indian Air Force is the world's largest operator of this type of fighter jet.
Sukhoi Su-30 Crashes Blamed on Indian Air Force by Russian Firm
hey wise guy did you see the date of the news and what is the situation of air craft crashes in pakistan ?
 
@waz @Oscar @moderators @Icarus @Jungibaaz
NDTV article is dated Feb 19,2015
Firstpost article is dated Dec 8,2014

This is second thread in last 2 days when an old news is being bounced back in a new thread that also specifically in Indian Def section. The threads (the other one being IAF crash 7 jets this year again an NDTV article) seems to be an attempt for troll infestation and engage in a debate among the sentiments and divisive manipulations.

Request you to close this thread and warn the appropriate users not to indulge into troll or divisive posts which are against the decorum of this forum.
 
try to hide his own frutation is ever deterioating situation in al aspects of daily life in land of the pure and the onli thing that gives them some kind of relefe is making fun of india .... i wonder what they call this obsession :sarcastic:


hey wise guy did you see the date of the news and what is the situation of air craft crashes in pakistan ?
That is different topic and here i would like to discuss SU-30 and no matter news is old but we can discuss the issue anytime. If you don't like to discuss just leave it.
 
That is different topic and here i would like to discuss SU-30 and no matter news is old but we can discuss the issue anytime. If you don't like to discuss just leave it.
those who live in glass houses should refrain to throw stones at others .... if you know what i mean :coffee:
 
@waz @Oscar @moderators @Icarus @Jungibaaz
NDTV article is dated Feb 19,2015
Firstpost article is dated Dec 8,2014

This is second thread in last 2 days when an old news is being bounced back in a new thread that also specifically in Indian Def section. The threads (the other one being IAF crash 7 jets this year again an NDTV article) seems to be an attempt for troll infestation and engage in a debate among the sentiments and divisive manipulations.

Request you to close this thread and warn the appropriate users not to indulge into troll or divisive posts which are against the decorum of this forum.
Indians can troll on J10 crash by calling it "Pak China plane"
Pakistanis don't have right to answer their propaganda by showing them mirror? Once or twice?

:lol:
 
We can be runner up.
Crash Rate of PAF is many times lower than IAF..........
even then your problem is way more serous as niether you have extra air crafts not the money to buy the latest and look at the size of your air force and look at owrs :coffee:
 
those who live in glass houses should refrain to throw stones at others .... if you know what i mean :coffee:
"Pak China J10 plane crashed"

This was the stone threw by lowly Indians while sitting in glass house......
Now when you are receiving same sort of replay then it is hurting your feelings?

:omghaha:
 
"Pak China J10 plane crashed"

This was the stone threw by lowly Indians while sitting in glass house......
Now when you are receiving same sort of replay then it is hurting your feelings?

:omghaha:
since when J10 is a pak plane last i remmeber it is a chinese plane with russian engine ... whats your point :lol:
 
even then your problem is way more serous as niether you have extra air crafts not the money to buy the latest and look at the size of your air force and look at owrs :coffee:
More size mean more targets on ground....
At least your crashed aircrafts number in past two decade is equivalent to size of our entire air force.....!

This is horrible indeed :azn:
 
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