Sudan tops 'failed states index'

[Neo]

No, I don't agree Jana and Raptor.

Ahsan has shown why we shouldn't take it serious.

Don't delete the thread, its shows how hypocryte the Indian propaganda machine is.

 

[Neo]

Tahir,

Please avoid such statements, PFF is a matured board!
We donot whish distruction of any country.

We want to silence our enemies than we need to grow stronger, gain wealth, educate the iliterate and help our society to grow and become moderate.

Say amen to that!

 

[SMC]

Sure neo, you and anyone can copy and paste my reply where ever you wanna post it.

 

[EagleEyes]

Delete why? I say bring it on!

Who wants some.. get some..

 

[SMC]

All the countries are ranked on various aspects and u can see where pakistan fairs badly.

My pakistani friends might not be able to accept the fact that many african countries are ranked better than Pakistan.

But then they have done a very comprehensive study,thats what it looks like.

Why is that people just blame and go in for denial when evidence is thrown at you one after another thats there are things rotten in pakistan,why is that no one cares to discuss how to get away with it other than the usual"its RAW" cries.

Whyis that people even looking at the sources blames BBC for the report and just to add to their point says its the most propogantists sites, when it wasnt BBC who publshed the article.

Its an opinion and not a scientific study..??? on what basis do you say that?when the report clearly shows detailed study or effort put in.

At the same time no has got even one counter point to what was the main reason for pakistan dropping down, unrest in border areas, delayed justice and sectarian mass killings.

Mate, Pakistan above African countries and Afghanistan, a country where government only controls Kabul, with a lot more problems than Pakistan, alone questions the credibility of their report. I bet none of their staff has ever been to Pakistan so they probably get their data from FOX news, outdated CIA data, or some other right wing website.

Yes it is more of opinion because putting Pakistan above Afghanistan proves it. Putting India at 93, a country that has repeatedly abused human rights in IoK, that has a shit load of seperation movements (Kashmir, Khalistan, Dalistan), funds militancy, discrimination and mass murder of muslims - esp. in Kashmir that you never hear about on the news, PTV only reports the Indian army's work.

And no, what you listed was not the reason of Pakistan's score. It was due to inability to control the tribal areas, and the earthquake. And I have already said that in my last post but i'll say it again - it was never intended by the government to control the tribal areas.. it was meant to be self-controlled. And giving earthquake is a reason is pathetic. How was USA's response to hurricane Katrina? USA, the richest country in the world with the largest economy, best military, most funds available couldn't respond to Katrina besides having warning that a storm of such strength was coming. Pakistan, with a much smaller economy, much less funds available, no warnings about the earthquake, did a very good rescue program and has built tent cities with hundreds of thousands of tents. There is no shortage of food or water as well. And the plans to build new cities and homes are very clear as well.

 

[Neo]

Sure neo, you and anyone can copy and paste my reply where ever you wanna post it.

Thanks, done it!

 

[Munir]

What has BBC got to do with this???

Can u take sometime to see who made the survey or study and how they reached an conclusion.

Is that a serious question? And I can not take the reality? Bull... Don't make simplistic and untrealistic remarks towards me. BCC had the title of being correct. Now if you look at the staff then it is souped up by nationalistic Indians and the reports are onesided. Which respected org s printing onesided pathetic reports about failed states while we know hoe well India, Afghanistan or even the US did? Somehow it is a clear sign that thinktanks are just to add propaganda. This is even less... Same happened with Keymag. How stupid is it to make an Indian like Harry a moderator (and we know how onesided he is and was) on an international forum where Indian used to bash personal. Look at the posters and there names... Man, it hurted deep when I posted their pictures. They all look like nerds. Same can be said of Janes. Once respected but these days a cheap western view. Nothing left regarding to objectivity or fast and good information.

 

[SMC]

The authors cite India as an example of a state which has pulled back from the brink, saying that in the 1970s analysts predicted dire consequences as a result of population growth, economic mismanagement, poverty and corruption. Now, they say, India today has turned itself around and might have the edge over China (ranked 57) in the long run.

Note the keywords - might have edge over China in the long run. Again, this statement questions the credibility of this report. Does this think tank only listen to what they hear on the news and not actually find out what's really happening in Pakistan and China? In USA, as we know, the media jumps on negative news from Pakistan and China within minutes but never reports the good news from Pakistan and China which outweigh the negative news. Surely, this seems to be the case. Again I ask, have any of their staff actually been to Pakistan and seen the reality on the ground and not what they see on FOX news, outdated CIA website, and right wing media websites? Most of the people visiting Pakistan realize that Pakistan is nothing what they see in their media and its a much better country than what the media shows them.

And well, there is no doubt that having an Indian in their staff means that they're able to get all news about all the positive things happening in India.

 

[RAPTOR]

This is a dumb thread and should be closed! Calling Pakistan a failed state is like calling india a "peaceful democracy" totally ABSURD!!

 

[SMC]

Did they seriously call India a "PEACEFUL democracy"? Sorry if I didn't catch that. If they seriously did then yet again a question over the credibility of the report and is this report biased or not. PEACEFUL democracy my ***.

 

[Sid]

Criteria

The second annual "failed states index" ranked 146 nations according to their viability.

It was based on "tens of thousands of articles" from different sources gathered over several months in 2005 and reviewed by experts, its authors said.

This report by the so-called Think Tank was nuthing but utter garbage. As I've highlighted in the above quoted part of a BBC article; the report was based on ARTICLES published in daily presses all over the world. Now let me ask; how on earth do you classify a country has 'failed' based on opinions, media propaganda, sheer yellow journalism, etc without even looking at the present day facts?!?!

Maybe these Foreign Policy magazine people would only be able to answer this question since they seem to question the very basis of human intelligence and commonsense by coming up with such a piece of trash as a 'researched report'!!

 

[tahirkhely]

Tahir,

Please avoid such statements, PFF is a matured board!
We donot whish distruction of any country.

We want to silence our enemies than we need to grow stronger, gain wealth, educate the iliterate and help our society to grow and become moderate.

Say amen to that!

PFF is certainly a mature board. rather more than mature

I will never say Amin.

:flag: :army: .

 

[Bull]

Is that a serious question?

My point was that it wasnt a BBC study, but just a reporting done by BBC,This agnecies studies are read well.

I know whats hurting most of the pakistanis is the absence of India and not the presence of pakistanis.

if thsts the case go through the corrpution index put forward by this same agency, u might get a relief.

 

[Bull]

Does this think tank only listen to what they hear on the news and not actually find out what's really happening in Pakistan and China? .

There is only good news emanting from China..the world media is going ga ga over the chineese stories.So if they listen to only media news then they should have ranked China very lowly much low than India but they didnt.That means they have other sources too other than the common media.

outdated CIA website, .

are they????

And well, there is no doubt that having an Indian in their staff means that they're able to get all news about all the positive things happening in India.

being a staff???

Ahsan have u worked somewhwre?
If u have, do u think a staff you get to manipulate and cone statistics to meet your desired levels? arent there ither staffs from other nations also present.

or is that everybody is fed up with Pakistan that they all got together for pakistan bashing.Then u can expect to see pakistan as uno in the next study.

 

[Bull]

Putting India at 93, a country that has repeatedly abused human rights in IoK, that has a shit load of seperation movements (Kashmir, Khalistan, Dalistan), funds militancy, discrimination and mass murder of muslims - esp. in Kashmir that you never hear about on the news, PTV only reports the Indian army's work..

Name some sepratist movement other than kashmir???

And no, what you listed was not the reason of Pakistan's score. It was due to inability to control the tribal areas, .

The govt is giving a hike of 50% over the normal pay and promotion as an incentive to lure officials to go and serve in baluchistan and yet the response is bad. Does that ring a bell.

And giving earthquake is a reason is pathetic. How was USA's response to hurricane Katrina? .

U again got it meesed up friend. its not the response for the earth quake thats made pakistan ranking so bad,but the effect it had on the population and the economy.

Katrinas effect on US economy was minimal compared to the effect the klashmir earth quake had on pakistans economy.