Success after NATO's Afghanistan exit largely depends on India

[SMC]

Like I mentioned, the survey is not indicative of general afghan opinion. When will indians get that through their thick heads. The survey seems to be mostly done in Kabul. 70% of Afghanistan is in Taliban territory. So whatever people live there - that's them discounted. It's a biased survey, although not intentionally biased. If you took statistics classes, you'd know what I am talking about. The fact that 51% view US as favourable shows that the survey is biased - US is hated by passion by the pashtuns. The real US favourability rate would be 2-15%.

 

[illuminatus]

Public opinion does not have a value in a dictatorship. In democracy, public opinion is everything...

Funny this is coming from someone whose own countrymen hold such values highly by discriminating against millions of underprivileged Dalits and other minorities. Very impressive to say the least. Of course, you being a professor in the field of freedom of expression know all about valuing public opinion and are authorized to lecture anyone on this subject matter.

 

[desiman]

Funny this is coming from someone whose own countrymen hold such values highly by discriminating against millions of underprivileged Dalits and other minorities. Very impressive to say the least. Of course, you being a professor in the field of freedom of expression know all about valuing public opinion and are authorized to lecture anyone on this subject matter.

Well you seem to know a lot about India and her problems, maybe its time you introspect your own country also brother. Not all problems are caused by external factors, some are the result of ones own misgivings.

 

[desiman]

Common guys act like adults here, please don’t make this another India-Pakistan bashing thread, its really getting boring lol

 

[karan.1970]

Oh, we don't treat nukes like eggs pal. When we're asked how we will react when we're attacked from both ends you can expect Pakistan to react in some sort of manner. If that means using the nukes as a last resort then that will be the case. You don't need to lecture me about others using nukes in such a scenario. I fully grasp that part. Let's just say that s h i t happens. Everyone needs to be prepared for the worst s h i t. We are prepared for the worst. You better pray that Pakistan don't use the nukes and send India back to the stone age turning tens if not hundreds of millions of lives into rubble. Hint: densely populated areas.

Nukes = setting the record straight

Dude.. You take 200 million people out, 80% of INdia is still left standing. India takes out same number of people, over even half of it, for Pakistan, its Game Over.. Thats precisely why pakistan will never attack with Nukes unless its survival is threatened. It will be the ultimate insult for pakistan that Its finished while India is still standing..

So suck up the nuclear threat and talk sense..

 

[karan.1970]

The real US favourability rate would be 2-15%.

The survey is in Afghanistan and not pakistan. The popularity of US is significantly higher there..Since they are trying to kick out the oppressive taliban who have illegally and forcefully occupied the country. Actually US is not the occupying country. Its the taliban. The UN backed US forces are actully trying to feee Afg from occupation

 

[illuminatus]

Dude.. You take 200 million people out, 80% of INdia is still left standing. India takes out same number of people, over even half of it, for Pakistan, its Game Over.. Thats precisely why pakistan will never attack with Nukes unless its survival is threatened. It will be the ultimate insult for pakistan that Its finished while India is still standing..

So suck up the nuclear threat and talk sense..

Who said 200 million? That's your imaginative figure. How about if we double or triple that amount? Hell, I frankly don't care. My point being, don't you try to make a nuke war something favourable as an outcome for India. A nuke war would equally be devastating for India. A handful of Indian Brahmins have after all managed to make most of the economic success whilst the rest of the population is still surviving on less than 1 dollar a day. Would the elite Brahmins and Dravidians risk their lives and riches by attacking Pakistan from both directions? Ask yourself that question.

Nuke threat? You kidding me kid? It's not a threat by any means. It's the dire reality. The nukes are there and the possibility of them being used are also very real. Get that through your thick skull, please?

 

[illuminatus]

The survey is in Afghanistan and not pakistan. The popularity of US is significantly higher there..Since they are trying to kick out the oppressive taliban who have illegally and forcefully occupied the country. Actually US is not the occupying country. Its the taliban. The UN backed US forces are actully trying to feee Afg from occupation

You mean the same US that created the monster of Jihad and the Taliban in the first place? Get your facts right. Haven't you read about Gates apologizing for leaving Pakistan high and dry?

 

[karan.1970]

Funny this is coming from someone whose own countrymen hold such values highly by discriminating against millions of underprivileged Dalits and other minorities. Very impressive to say the least. Of course, you being a professor in the field of freedom of expression know all about valuing public opinion and are authorized to lecture anyone on this subject matter.

No intention of lecturing my friend.. Nor of proclaiming myself as a professor. Like you, I have an opinion and fortunately have lived all my life in a country that has never been under a dictator after 1947. So yes I know that despite all the problems in India, including caste discrimination, I have had the fortune of seeing huge political powers coming down to the ground because of public opinion. The day (god willing) Pakistan will spend a couple of decades in a row under similar democracy, it will too, despite all its problems of Religious Sect(Shia/Sunni) based discrimination, appreciate the power of public opinion..

 

[illuminatus]

Well you seem to know a lot about India and her problems, maybe its time you introspect your own country also brother. Not all problems are caused by external factors, some are the result of ones own misgivings.

No doubt about it. Don't expect me to sit idle when someone is threatening to attack from both ends.

 

[SMC]

The survey is in Afghanistan and not pakistan. The popularity of US is significantly higher there..Since they are trying to kick out the oppressive taliban who have illegally and forcefully occupied the country. Actually US is not the occupying country. Its the taliban. The UN backed US forces are actully trying to feee Afg from occupation

WTF are you smoking dude? Do you even know what you're talking about? US is viewed as occupiers and imperialists there. Do you know how Taliban was formed? Because they had high support. If they didnt have high support they wouldn't continue to rule 70% of Afghanistan and get recruits so easily. I dont know how many pashtuns you know or come across but for the most part they hate US with passion. Decent support for US means the whole survey is wrong and doens't reflect general Afghan opinion.

Furthermore, you totally discounted the fact that 72% of Afghanistan is under Taliban control and thus that territory would not be sufficiently included in the survey.

 

[karan.1970]

Who said 200 million? That's your imaginative figure. How about if we double or triple that amount? Hell, I frankly don't care.

Please read up on the worst case scenario of maximum destruction the nukes of pakistan and india are capable of. 200 million is a very very exaggerated figure. 20 million is more like it..

My point being, don't you try to make a nuke war something favourable as an outcome for India. A nuke war would equally be devastating for India.

Nuclear war can not be favorable to anyone. Folks at the top in your contry as well as mine are aware of this and hence there wont be this exchange unless Pakistan is about to get defeted in a conventional war.

Which can never happen because Pakistan has the best jets and tanks and best friend china which will drop every thing and attack india to help Pak

A handful of Indian Brahmins have after all managed to make most of the economic success whilst the rest of the population is still surviving on less than 1 dollar a day. Would the elite Brahmins and Dravidians risk their lives and riches by attacking Pakistan from both directions? Ask yourself that question.

This does not even deserve an answer since this forum is full of to and fro on this topic of economic growth vs poverty of india

Nuke threat? You kidding me kid? It's not a threat by any means. It's the dire reality. The nukes are there and the possibility of them being used are also very real. Get that through your thick skull, please?

First of all, thanks for calling me a kid. Since in my age its a compliment. Rest of the sentence is total non sense and rhetoric and hence does not deserve a reply

 

[karan.1970]

You mean the same US that created the monster of Jihad and the Taliban in the first place? Get your facts right. Haven't you read about Gates apologizing for leaving Pakistan high and dry?

whch US will do again unless Pakistan gives up its support for Afg Taliban. And this time it will be worse..

 

[HAIDER]

Our discussing is moving totally in different direction, but lets straight up some facts. Pakistan and India both have dictatorship in the name of democracy. Bhutto family, Gandhi family, Nawaz family and Indians knows more influential families in India who been running the show for decades. Why every party election ends up electing same family. So, let not sing democracy song.....
If the public opinion is so strong why injustice and poverty. Every common man slogan is against injustice,poverty and wealth....

 

[jagjitnatt]

Who said 200 million? That's your imaginative figure. How about if we double or triple that amount?

This isn't a game where you type in the cheat codes and voila, you have unlimited ammo. The kind of nukes India and Pakistan have are nowhere near the multi-megaton bombs required to do real damage.

Nuke threat? You kidding me kid? It's not a threat by any means. It's the dire reality. The nukes are there and the possibility of them being used are also very real. Get that through your thick skull, please?

Ok dude. Lets play Nuke-Nuke. You launch some nukes and I launch some nukes. Seriously, what class do you study in??? We really need an adult only requirement for this forum.
If you are so keen on playing this game, then tell me why is Pakistan not using these nukes? Why not just kill us all and finish the game?