Su-57 Program Cancelled

[Ultima Thule]

To create jobs.

what is the answers you have @undertakerwwefan for the EXPECTED ENEMIES OF USA,CHINA RUSSIA etc etc @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

what is the answers you have @undertakerwwefan for the EXPECTED ENEMIES OF USA,CHINA RUSSIA etc etc @undertakerwwefan

Love trumps hate. No need for enemies. No need for war.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Love trumps hate. No need for enemies. No need for war.

Their are enough jobs in defense sectors like upgradtion of 4th gen jets, missiles (All kind) engines (turbo fans etc etc) repair (maintenance) etc etc in defense sectors @undertakerwwefan

 

[Jlaw]

Have somebody actually believed this fairy tale? Must be under 65 IQ people. It is not even fake news. It is fairy news.

Well that person is a "professional" here . A janitor who claimed to have rode a jet fighter flying across the English channel in 2001..

 

[Beast]

And what achievements have Chinese ever done? Nothing. It's not everyday there can be scientific progress. These come in eras.



What has Ukraine ever achieved other than building an aircraft carrier for China? Ukraine accomplished nothing in history. Russia on the other hand is full of scientists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_scientists



BS. If you think Russians can't build a marine turbine you are sadly mistaken. Read it and weep.

https://navaltoday.com/2018/01/16/russia-starts-serial-production-of-marine-gas-turbine-engines/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Gren-class_landing_ship



Aerospace is combined space and aviation. Both are closely linked. Countries strong in space are strong in aviation, and vice versa.

The achievement of Chinese is unmatched in human history. Not even Soviet Union at its peak accumulate wealth as much as Chinese.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ty-is-historic-world-bank-117101300027_1.html

China invent an own economic model not found from any country study and the rest is history. Chinese economy innovation put Soviet in pale model.

http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/1228/c90000-9309653.html

China high speed rail network is the most extensive in the world. And not only that but comes with quality and efficiency. Not even Japan and Europe railwork can matched Chinese in terms of stability.

Chinese is also pushing into the field of future important energy where others has failed Chinese succeed. In terms of cleaner energy, China is leader in renewable energy in terms of usage and output. You can never see this in Soviet era.

As for Russian, bragging about building new naval turbine and achievement. Take it with a pinch of salt. They talk big but little is done. Still remember Russian bragging about building nuclear aircraft carrier? Where is even the keel to be seen? Zero... The Russia now is no more Soviet Union. No money and no talent. No R&D.

https://jamestown.org/program/russia-postpones-future-aircraft-carrier-program/

 

[Incog_nito]

if the Indians are not "buying it", who is going to?

the mid east and asia fly western jets lately, so does south America.

india is the major if not the sole buyer of Russian jet lately, if india does not believe this jet is VLO enough, the Russian will have a terrible time convincing the rest that the EXPORT version of the su57 (which saw combat against the f22 in Syria) is anything even close to VLO.

1. What's VLO?
2. Did they both (F-22 & SU-57) met each other over Syrian skies? If yes, then any engagement?
3. Like Egypt bought MiG-35s, I think countries are still interested in this one...

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Their are enough jobs in defense sectors like upgradtion of 4th gen jets, missiles (All kind) engines (turbo fans etc etc) repair (maintenance) etc etc in defense sectors @undertakerwwefan

A new project like Su-57 creates a LOT more jobs than upgrading old jets. Avro Arrow project was employing tens of thousands when it was canceled.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

the Russian will have a terrible time convincing the rest that the EXPORT version of the su57 (which saw combat against the f22 in Syria) is anything even close to VLO.

Russians and Americans stay at least 500 km away from each other in Syria so they don't accidentally collide with each other. No way they engaged in Syria.

 

[vostok]

The achievement of Chinese is unmatched in human history. Not even Soviet Union at its peak accumulate wealth as much as Chinese.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ty-is-historic-world-bank-117101300027_1.html

China invent an own economic model not found from any country study and the rest is history. Chinese economy innovation put Soviet in pale model.

http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/1228/c90000-9309653.html

China high speed rail network is the most extensive in the world. And not only that but comes with quality and efficiency. Not even Japan and Europe railwork can matched Chinese in terms of stability.

Chinese is also pushing into the field of future important energy where others has failed Chinese succeed. In terms of cleaner energy, China is leader in renewable energy in terms of usage and output. You can never see this in Soviet era.

As for Russian, bragging about building new naval turbine and achievement. Take it with a pinch of salt. They talk big but little is done. Still remember Russian bragging about building nuclear aircraft carrier? Where is even the keel to be seen? Zero... The Russia now is no more Soviet Union. No money and no talent. No R&D.

https://jamestown.org/program/russia-postpones-future-aircraft-carrier-program/

Don't be so sure. May be Russian achievments can not be bought in the nearest shop, but there are some. For example - 2 of 4 new chemical elements in last decade were synthesized by Russian scientists. We have very good fundamental science. And by the way - did you see all that new weapons? Nuclear high speed torpedo, nuclear cruise missle and so on. It is absolutely new level in the world history of weaponary.

 

[925boy]

prime example TOPOL ICBM which currently in Russian strategic Inventory is Ukraine origin ICBM,and after dissolution of USSR, Russian difficult to maintain & produced locally TOPOL and they create new factory of TOPOL ICBM under the supervision of MOSCOW THERMAL INSTITUTE @undertakerwwefan

bs. so why doesnt Ukraine Have TOPOL-M now if they "made it"?

Land based ICBM is old and useless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal

Not true for Russia.

I told you. China and Russia have huge aircraft industry. Thousands of designers and engineers. They don't sit around doing nothing. They develop new aircraft all the time. J-20. Su-57. You name it.

I said stealth is irrelevant. I never said they don't develop make new planes all the time.

I have a question: will this "stealth"win any wars? I am of the opinion these days that military technology is nice, but what good is it if it wont win you wars? I'm just wondering who US will use F-22 or F-35 to beat in a war? These stealth technologies havent seemed to replace the need for boots on the ground right? and we all know some countries are reluctant to place boots on the ground, even while their "STEALTH" technology is "3D"dominating skies of enemies. give me a break. MFs still cant beat backwards taliban even with AI, IoT, 3D radar on 3D radars or whatever. F-22 and F-35 wont win a war(hypothetically)speaking against China or Russia or NK, or even Iran.

There is no threat against Russia.

relax. you are oversimplifying and misreading somethings. you said Russia and america dont attack each other. well you have to define what you call an "attack". I agree US and Russia dont directly and kinetically attack each other, but they are definitely attacking each other economically, cyber etc indirectly. but isnt that still an attack? Russia does cyber attacks against US/US companies. isnt that an attack? pls dont oversimplify complex things. And even if they dont attack then why do they prepare to attack?

 

[Ultima Thule]

A new project like Su-57 creates a LOT more jobs than upgrading old jets. Avro Arrow project was employing tens of thousands when it was canceled.

yes but if the new fighter jets projects closed those engineers/technicians will transit to older projects for upgradtion and so on, those engineers/technicians will not become useless, SO YOUR THOSE STUPID THEORIES THAT 5TH GEN JETS PROJECTS CAN CREATE A JOB IS ABSURD/RIDICULOUS @undertakerwwefan enjoy: INFACT EVERY NEW PROJECTS WHETHER IT CIVIL OR MILITARY CAN CREATE NEW JOBS @undertakerwwefan

bs. so why doesnt Ukraine Have TOPOL-M now if they "made it"?

Bs for what?? , Simply Ukraine doesn't need it @925boy

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

yes but if the new fighter jets projects closed those engineers/technicians will transit to older projects for upgradtion and so on, those engineers/technicians will not become useless, SO YOUR THOSE STUPID THEORIES THAT 5TH GEN JETS PROJECTS CAN CREATE A JOB IS ABSURD/RIDICULOUS @undertakerwwefan enjoy: INFACT EVERY NEW PROJECTS WHETHER IT CIVIL OR MILITARY CAN CREATE NEW JOBS @undertakerwwefan

New projects require lots of designers and engineers. Thousands. Upgrading old planes don't need these people and employ like 1% as many people. That's why when Avro Arrow was canceled tens of thousands were laid off and Avro went bankrupt.

I have a question: will this "stealth"win any wars? I am of the opinion these days that military technology is nice, but what good is it if it wont win you wars?

F-22 maybe good at defending an airbase, but F-22 has combat radius 700 km and missile range 100 km. These days stand off missiles like Kh-59MK2 and Khinzhal have more than 500 km of range to more than 2000 km of range. How would you defend against that? They can shoot from well beyond F-22's missile range and even well beyond F-22's combat radius. The same way Patriot cannot defend air bases from modern stand off missiles.

 

[Ultima Thule]

New projects require lots of designers and engineers. Thousands. Upgrading old planes don't need these people and employ like 1% as many people. That's why when Avro Arrow was canceled tens of thousands were laid off and Avro went bankrupt.

Same goes to upgrading of older jet they also need lot of designers/engineers to innovate to upgrade older jets @undertakerwwefan

F-22 maybe good at defending an airbase, but F-22 has combat radius 700 km and missile range 100 km. These days stand off missiles like Kh-59MK2 and Khinzhal have more than 500 km of range to more than 2000 km of range. How would you defend against that? They can shoot from well beyond F-22's missile range and even well beyond F-22's combat radius. The same way Patriot cannot defend air bases from modern stand off missiles.

What the fcuk @undertakerwwefan they currently upgrading F-22 and as for KiNzhal they can easily intercepted by THAAD, latest PAC-3 which is hit rate of more then 95% against all kind missiles, SM-6, SM-3 @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Same goes to upgrading of older jet they also need lot of designers/engineers to innovate to upgrade older jets @undertakerwwefan


What the fcuk @undertakerwwefan they currently upgrading F-22 and as for KiNzhal they can easily intercepted by THAAD, latest PAC-3 which is hit rate of more then 95% against all kind missiles, SM-6, SM-3 @undertakerwwefan

Kinzhal is Mach 10. You can't hit something that fast unless you use laser. Even then it's difficult. Kh-59MK2 has very low RCS. Range 550 km, beyond the range F-22 can engage with AMRAAM. Plane shoots Kh-59MK2, turns right back, F-22 cannot engage plane with AMRAAM because AMRAAM has 100 km range.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Kinzhal is Mach 10. You can't hit something that fast unless you use laser. Even then it's difficult. Kh-59MK2 has very low RCS. Range 550 km, beyond the range F-22 can engage with AMRAAM. Plane shoots Kh-59MK2, turns right back, F-22 cannot engage plane with AMRAAM because AMRAAM has 100 km range.

So why USA,China, Russia developing ABM (ANTI BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEM) system if only solution to intercept BM is LASERS and LASERS has its own limitations/ drawbacks, LASER RAY WILL DISTORT IN SLIGHT WEATHER CHANGES IN ATMOSPHERE LIKE DRIZZLE, RAIN, HAIL & IN SNOW that why both Russia and USA were/are canceled their long range LASER missile interception project like ABL (AIR BORNE LASER) ETC ETC @undertakerwwefan