Strike package of PAF F-16 - Fear Factor

[Quwa]

@Windjammer Bhai why we are going for LANTRIN Pod instead of Sniper. Although it's effective but still its a legacy system whereas Sniper incorporates new technology and better subsystems. Decision is taken due to availability, experience, cost or is their some other issue ???

PAF is using Sniper, not LANTIRN.

http://www.lockheedmartin.ca/us/new...rtin-sniper-advanced-targeting-pod-fleet.html

 

[Blue Marlin]

whats the pod under the f16?
its not a sniper pod

 

[That Guy]

While the F-16 is a great asset to the PAF, I don't think India is actually upset about the F-16 in particular. The Indians want the US to cut ties with Pakistan, so that India can try and continue to isolate it. I doubt that will happen, but that is really their main goal. In truth, India's air force's Su-30MKIs are more than a match for the F-16s, at least on paper.

Also, as India's military budget continues to expand rapidly, and with multiple international defense consortium continue to look at India as an untapped gold mine (right so), whatever advantage PAF has, will continue to erode and eventually disappear. This is something Pakistanis must realize. Pakistan, within the next 35 years, will no longer be able to keep up with India, even as Pakistan's GDP grows to a trillion dollars and it's defense budget grows to $50-100 billion dollars.

The best solution for Pakistan is to invest in specific systems, which will make India think twice about attacking Pakistan; I'm not just talking about nukes. Maintaining a minimal deterrence capability is important, and Pakistan's military planners must think about where they should invest most of their limited funding towards, and start planning for the future (which I'm sure they are). F-16s are no longer going to be relevant, after this decade, which is an unfortunate truth.

 

[Piper]

While the F-16 is a great asset to the PAF, I don't think India is actually upset about the F-16 in particular. The Indians want the US to cut ties with Pakistan, so that India can try and continue to isolate it. I doubt that will happen, but that is really their main goal. In truth, India's air force's Su-30MKIs are more than a match for the F-16s, at least on paper.

Can India provide an alternative to the role Pakistan fills in the region which are

1. An ally which is a conduit to Afghanistan which major influence on Taliban.
2. A major power of Islamic community with strong ties to Gulf and thus an alternate pressure point to manage things in ME.
3. A mediator with strong ties to China which will come into factor if things turn bad enough b.w US and China.

I don't think so! India has it's uses but then again so does Pakistan and it's an exercise in stupidity to assume that US will dump Pakistan without an viable alternative which India is unable to offer.

 

[That Guy]

Can India provide an alternative to the role Pakistan fills in the region which are

1. An ally which is a conduit to Afghanistan which major influence on Taliban.

No, but they have major influence on the government and the biggest anti-taliban faction, the norther alliance. As much as Pakistanis may hate to admit it, India is actually quite important to solve Afghanistan's problem. Even if a deal is brokered, India will no doubt try and break any deal, or start a new proxy group to further their objectives. As such, India must be given SOME sort of peace offering, otherwise, Afghanistan's peace will be an unfinished project.

2. A major power of Islamic community with strong ties to Gulf and thus an alternate pressure point to manage things in ME.

Pakistan's current standing in the Islamic world is low, make no mistake about that. The Gulf have decided to divest from Pakistan, and invest in India. I have no doubt that India is willing to (at least secretly) send troops to secure the Arab monarchies in, at least the UAE (if you asked me a few years back, I may have laughed at this very notion).

Pakistan's rejection of joining the Yemen war, has damaged relations between the Arab world and Pakistan (personally? I think that's completely fine).

3. A mediator with strong ties to China which will come into factor if things turn bad enough b.w US and China.

The role of mediator no longer applies to Pakistan. This isn't the 60s or 70s, when Pakistan brokered talks between the two. Pakistan is more in the Chinese camp, and the US will never accept Pakistan's role as mediator.

I don't think so! India has it's uses but then again so does Pakistan and it's an exercise in stupidity to assume that US will dump Pakistan without an viable alternative which India is unable to offer.

No one said that the US will dump Pakistan, but it IS true that currently, the US considers India a stronger and more important ally. China's expansion has made the US and India strategic allies, something that Pakistan can never offer. The best thing Pakistan can try and do is remain neutral, but with increasing Chinese interest in Pakistan's economic potential, that is unlikely to remain. Remember, it was because of the US that China was never allowed to invest in Gwadar for years (since 2003).

My point is that, India will not replace Pakistan, but the opposite is also true.

 

[ito]

India will make noise even if Pakistan gets a drone from US. And I am sure a mere 8 F16 are not a threat to India

India cares less about Pakistan getting F 16, it is more of a pressure tactic. F 16 are vintage planes and are rejected by India for MMRCA, even when US promised that it will shift the total F 16 manufacturing line to India.

 

[Scavenger]

India tried all the tooth and nail to stop this deal. But couldn't.

Instead of wasting millions of USD for lobbying and buying the congressmen, maybe India should've spent that monies on it's own betterment.

That should tell you more about the 'clout of India' in the present scenario.

Kindly do not advise India on how to spend its monies.
As the citizen of a country that is doing much worse than us - both in social sector development and economic development, a Pakistani is simply not capable enough to advise on how India spends its money.

India will choose to spend where its policy makers deem important - whether that be on lobbying(which leads to long term betterment) or direct investment in India.

 

[C130]

The recent announcement of of Eight more F-16s for the PAF has been cause of much anxiety and depression in the neighbourhood. Albeit Pakistan has been operating the Fighting Falcon for over Thirty years with newer and more capable models being acquired within the last decade, however, the reaction by India to the recent acquisition has been unprecedented. This is all the more scandalous since India currently is one of the top armament purchasing country boasting of fourth largest air force in the world.
But it's also possible that India does have real concerns as the F-16s continue to rattle nerves in New Delhi.
According to Indian writer Pushpinder Singh, the arrival of F-16s in the Sub-continent caused such alarm bells that India in response ended up purchasing no less than 220 assorted fighter jets from Russia and France, hence the latest reaction by India thus shouldn't come as a surprise.
The F-16, the most widely used and combat proven aircraft of recent times has also proved it's tremendous capabilities within the PAF. Soon after bit's arrival in Pakistan in the mid-80s, it was immediately pressed into service against joint Afghan/Soviet threat and in the process shot down no less than a dozen Soviet origin aircraft without a single loss to enemy action, since PAF never disclosed about those aircraft that fell on the other side of the border, so the actual number of victims, which is much higher remains classified.
A PAF F-16 also made history by achieving first night interception and shooting down of an IAF spy drone of Israeli origin in 2002. In 2005, Pratt & Whitney presented a plaque to the PAF in recognition of flying the F-16 for over 100,000 accident free flight hours.

HUD capture of an Afghan SU-22 kill in 1987

A notable incident took place in 2008, when some Indian aircraft in a threatening manner intruded into Pakistan airspace and were promptly intercepted by PAF F-16s and escorted out.
More recently, PAF F-16s have been busy in carrying out strikes against the Taliban near Afghan border with great success. Even during exercises with friendly air forces, the PAF have scored repeated victories against such potent systems as the Euro fighter Typhoons and F-15 Eagles. All in all, since it's induction in PAF, the F-16s have remained geared into action in one form or another, always coming out on the top. It enjoys an unparalleled combat record while most aircraft in the neighbourhood don't have a single combat kill to their name so any wonder even eight F-16s can cause so many ripples.

you gotta admit it's one sexy bird.

whats the pod under the f16?
its not a sniper pod

Goodrich DB-110 Reece Pod

Goodrich DB-110 reconnaissance pod completes flight tests

 

[Paksanity]

Kindly do not advise India on how to spend its monies.
As the citizen of a country that is doing much worse than us - both in social sector development and economic development, a Pakistani is simply not capable enough to advise on how India spends its money.

India will choose to spend where its policy makers deem important - whether that be on lobbying(which leads to long term betterment) or direct investment in India.

With the largest concentration of world's poor in your country, every country of the world has the right to advise you how to spend your money. It is of global concern that you are largest importer of arms and largest numbers of poors in the world at the same time!

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

With the largest concentration of world's poor in your country, every country of the world has the right to advise you how to spend your money. It is of global concern that you are largest importer of arms and largest numbers of poors in the world at the same time!

Your concern for India's poor is sweet, However it would make more sense for you to urge your Military Leadership to stop sending vile wretched creatures across the border who kill these "poor" people in name of religion.

PS: going by your logic, entire planet has a right to advise Pakistan's approach on tackling terrorism, given Pakistan has one the highest terror casulaties worldwide on a per capita basis.

You have just justified India's stance regarding F-16 sale, thank you very much.

 

[Paksanity]

Your concern for India's poor is sweet, However it would make more sense for you to urge your Military Leadership to stop sending vile wretched creatures across the border who kill these "poor" people in name of religion.

PS: going by your logic, entire planet has a right to advise Pakistan's approach on tackling terrorism, given Pakistan has one the highest terror casulaties worldwide on a per capita basis.

You have just justified India's stance regarding F-16 sale, thank you very much.

Our military is cause of your poverty? Wow! Never thought of that. You are right however about how world needs to learn anti-terrorism from Pakistan. It is no surprise so many nations have asked for our help in defeating terrorist proxies. Appreciation of our Zarb e Azb ops is global. Thanks.

 

[The Eagle]

After all the so called dossiers and blames and what not, India was expecting something like a strict action against Pakistan as per their wish for living the dream of pro-claimed super power but nothing happened as per wish and whim and things turned into boosting in relations as well as more F-16s especially the new with advance tech.

 

[Windjammer]

After all the so called dossiers and blames and what not, India was expecting something like a strict action against Pakistan as per their wish for living the dream of pro-claimed super power but nothing happened as per wish and whim and things turned into boosting in relations as well as more F-16s especially the new with advance tech.

While Pakistan doesn't care about Indian acquisitions, however, it makes the F-16 deal even more sweet watching how Indians are behaving.

• US rewarding Pak for bad behaviour by selling F-16 jets'
• Washington United States'' decision to sell eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan will only amount to rewarding the country for its "bad behaviour", a US-based Hindu advocacy group has said. PTI.

 

[The Eagle]

While Pakistan doesn't give two monkeys about Indian acquisitions, however, it makes the F-16 deal even more sweet watching how Bharti a$$es are burning both at home and away.

• US rewarding Pak for bad behaviour by selling F-16 jets'
• Washington United States'' decision to sell eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan will only amount to rewarding the country for its "bad behaviour", a US-based Hindu advocacy group has said. PTI.

Sir... I am enjoying the show and waiting for more unethical behaviour by neighbor as soon as 4.5++ platform announced and AESA by PAF.

BTW, what else to expect from someone having a rival sight but results are always expected.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

More than fear factor, our neighbor is habitual of crying over such kind of developments.