Stratfor: Pakistan Calls India's Nuclear Bluff in a Subcontinent Standoff

[Sankpal]

Go look up ur government's official position. The whole Akhand bharat/Kashmir being an utoot ang. It's necessary for Pakistan to send a forceful message to keep India at bay.

If u want to be happy and enjoy that's fine with us...that's the whole purpose of Pak's nuclear deterrence so that India wouldn't declare war.

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Please Yaar I didn't get anything... GN

 

[khansaheeb]

I hope pak keep thinking that way and nuke India, everything so boring so far only threats no action.

When you have a miserable man who had a miserable childhood in power anything can happen. He has nothing to cherish other than misery and pain and wants to inflict the same on others.

 

[MBT 3000]

nice

 

[GumNaam]

Waiting...
Looking to change global map in our west

Oh the map to your west is gonna change alright. The map of your western neighbor will expand eastwards while your map will be shrinking... your map has been steadily shrinking since 1947 anyways so what I said shouldn't come either as a surprise nor add a bluff.

 

[IceCold]

There is a counter to every counter. India developed cold start, we developed tactical nukes. India moved on to develop anti balistic missile defense shield, Pakistan moved towards MIRV capability. India is thinking about shelving its no first use policy, Pakistan is moving towards developing an assured second strike capability. Rest assured India will never be allowed to have an absolute superiority over Pakistan and we will continue to develop, upgrade our existing capabilities to counter any Indian misadventure. The ball has always been in the Indian court whether they intend to up the ante or lower the rhetoric and try to resolve all disputes peacefully.

 

[Chhatrapati]

There is a counter to every counter. India developed cold start, we developed tactical nukes. India moved on to develop anti balistic missile defense shield, Pakistan moved towards MIRV capability. India is thinking about shelving its no first use policy, Pakistan is moving towards developing an assured second strike capability. Rest assured India will never be allowed to have an absolute superiority over Pakistan and we will continue to develop, upgrade our existing capabilities to counter any Indian misadventure. The ball has always been in the Indian court whether they intend to up the ante or lower the rhetoric and try to resolve all disputes peacefully.

Looking at the history of conflicts. You are not making any sense. The ball is with Pakistan. We already agreed on status quo and make LOC the international border. You want Kashmir, we say good luck to ya. Why should we attack you? Your strategies forced us to develop cold start, from Kargil war to Mumbai attacks. You can deny any wrongdoings which you always do since Kargil and was forced to accept it later.

Speaking of India nuking anyone first, India is in no mood to use its nuclear weapon. We don't even threaten anyone with nukes. We trust in our conventional capabilities. We don't wanna play North Korea for some attention.

 

[Vapnope]

We don't even threaten anyone with nukes.

Yeap Yeap
//Once Aimed at Pakistan, Indian Nuclear Program Sets Missile Sights on China//
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201707141055531492-pakistan-india-nuclear-program-china/

 

[Chhatrapati]

Yeap Yeap
//Once Aimed at Pakistan, Indian Nuclear Program Sets Missile Sights on China//
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201707141055531492-pakistan-india-nuclear-program-china/

haha,then, with AgniVI we are gonna target Moscow too.

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

An example of a Brave Pakistan vs a Darpoke India.

 

[IceCold]

Looking at the history of conflicts. You are not making any sense. The ball is with Pakistan. We already agreed on status quo and make LOC the international border. You want Kashmir, we say good luck to ya. Why should we attack you? Your strategies forced us to develop cold start, from Kargil war to Mumbai attacks. You can deny any wrongdoings which you always do since Kargil and was forced to accept it later.

Speaking of India nuking anyone first, India is in no mood to use its nuclear weapon. We don't even threaten anyone with nukes. We trust in our conventional capabilities. We don't wanna play North Korea for some attention.

The highlighted part is where you are wrong. You cannot agree on anything unilaterally and against the dynamics and situation on the ground and tell the other parties to go take a hike. For any settlement it has to be with all parties involved and one that is agreeable to all specially the Kashmiries and not just India.

 

[oOo]

Nuclear bluff?? These are not the words the world associate India with.

 

[Vapnope]

haha,then, with AgniVI we are gonna target Moscow too.

Smooth U-Turn, anyway that was expected.
Going by your logic our missiles can also target Iran and Afghanistan, not to mention China as well. Only if the range was deciding factor !

 

[Chhatrapati]

The highlighted part is where you are wrong. You cannot agree on anything unilaterally and against the dynamics and situation on the ground and tell the other parties to go take a hike. For any settlement it has to be with all parties involved and one that is agreeable to all specially the Kashmiries and not just India.

In that case. It applies to you as well. We cannot let another state to be created based on religion. It will question the integrity of the nation. No matter what insurgency is there, we will make sure it will die down slowly like it happened in the North Eastern states. We got all the time. The only issue here is another country is fomenting trouble in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. Once you stop sending terrorists we will show how supportive they are.

This goes in a vicious cycle, involving Pakistan and their state sponsorship of terrorist, which radicalizes youth, forcing the police to crack down on them hard, making the locals hate the police and the state. Once there is no terrorists involved there is no need for large security forces in the region and in turn no need for locals to fight for anything.

Smooth U-Turn, anyway that was expected.
Going by your logic our missiles can also target Iran and Afghanistan, not to mention China as well. Only if the range was deciding factor !

You still didn't get the point. It's not a U-turn. It's how diplomacy works. You can't expect a state to be friend or enemy forever. I can't say, tomorrow Russia may become a threat to India. Similarly, the US who was a threat to India in the past until the 80's - 90's. Pakistan is the one whose foreign policy is India centric. Cant think outside the subcontinent and that has been your biggest failure.

 

[IceCold]

In that case. It applies to you as well. We cannot let another state to be created based on religion. It will question the integrity of the nation. No matter what insurgency is there, we will make sure it will die down slowly like it happened in the North Eastern states. We got all the time. The only issue here is another country is fomenting trouble in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. Once you stop sending terrorists we will show how supportive they are.

This goes in a vicious cycle, involving Pakistan and their state sponsorship of terrorist, which radicalizes youth, forcing the police to crack down on them hard, making the locals hate the police and the state. Once there is no terrorists involved there is no need for large security forces in the region and in turn no need for locals to fight for anything.

I never implied that India should agree on anything unilaterally. However India and Indians need to realize that Kashmir isnt being carved out from India as a religious state but this is a problem arising from partition, a dispute left unsettled. If you read history, partition was done on religious grounds with muslim majority areas transferred to Pakistan while hindu majority areas transferred to India. So this argument that we cannot let another state be created on religion does not exist when this dates back to the original partition.
Plus even if we are sending terrorists as per India, the Pakistani flags hosted in Kashmir are not done by those terrorists, they are done by the local population unless you consider them all to be Pakistani terrorists. The vicious cycle only continues when India does not want to address the root cause of the problem and is suppressing any voice by brute force. How would Pakistani so called terrorists find support if Kashmiries back India? Do you think Pakistani based terrorists get the same support in lets say Delhi or Mumbai or Kerala?
This is easy for India to just say hey Pakistan is fueling terrorism otherwise Kashmir wants to stay with India and everything is rosy because this is further from the truth and deep down every Indian knows.
Besides If India is so sure than why not hold a plebiscite and let this debate settle once and for all. If Kashmiries vote for India, Pakistan will lose its part of Kashmir as well.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I never implied that India should agree on anything unilaterally. However India and Indians need to realize that Kashmir isnt being carved out from India as a religious state but this is a problem arising from partition, a dispute left unsettled. If you read history, partition was done on religious grounds with muslim majority areas transferred to Pakistan while hindu majority areas transferred to India. So this argument that we cannot let another state be created on religion does not exist when this dates back to the original partition.
Plus even if we are sending terrorists as per India, the Pakistani flags hosted in Kashmir are not done by those terrorists, they are done by the local population unless you consider them all to be Pakistani terrorists. The vicious cycle only continues when India does not want to address the root cause of the problem and is suppressing any voice by brute force. How would Pakistani so called terrorists find support if Kashmiries back India? Do you think Pakistani based terrorists get the same support in lets say Delhi or Mumbai or Kerala?
This is easy for India to just say hey Pakistan is fueling terrorism otherwise Kashmir wants to stay with India and everything is rosy because this is further from the truth and deep down every Indian knows.
Besides If India is so sure than why not hold a plebiscite and let this debate settle once and for all. If Kashmiries vote for India, Pakistan will lose its part of Kashmir as well.

haha, you are calling it's not another religious division? Who are you kidding... Plus, there are a lot of Muslim majority areas inside India at the time of partition, by your, logic it should be part of Pakistan as well. Now, I don't need to start another discussion on where partition happened and what were the terms and condition involving princely states with Hindu/Muslim majority areas. It's already been discussed to death about the legality. You can question the morality in it. Which I can agree for argument's sake.

No, I have made it clear in many posts that, hoisting Pak flag is a protest to anger authorities. It has happened even in those North Eastern states, there have been protests holding Indian flag in Balochistan regions. That means nothing. It is a well-established fact that you are sending terrorists, it's not as per India, it's as per your own governments too. And many examples involving Pak nationalities getting killed in Kashmir (Pakistani terrorist Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi's nephew being the last infamous personality) which only proves my point.

To your last point, sure. We can conduct plebiscite for the entire region including GB & AJK (in P.O.K) provided the conditions of UNSC resolutions are met.