Strategical Gawadar.

[Bull]

The Balochis aren't complaining, the 'sardars' with their firebrand bunch of followers are! That is because they know, they are bound to lose control that they have right now over the Baloch masses. They are feudal lords and a feudal society only works if there is no dilution of authoritarian rule that the 'sardars' exert. They fear this dilution which is coming!

The Baloch people cannot be held hostage by selfish motives of these sardars and these lawless medieval tribal lords will be taught a thing or two about 21st century.

So if you kill these Sardars then the problem is solved?

 

[RAPTOR]

So if you kill these Sardars then the problem is solved?

Its quite simple you see.The problem will be solved when the private armies of the tribal sardars are dismantled, every RAW terrorist in Balochistan is killed and all the funding by indian terrorist agencies is cut off to them. The clean up operation is about halfway there, it might take a while but Balochistan will be brought under full control of the Government. If the sardars want to pit Balochis against Punjabis like their RAW terrorist masters want, then its 5 million balochis against 100 million punjabis and 30 million pashtuns.

 

[sword9]

Its quite simple you see.The problem will be solved when the private armies of the tribal sardars are dismantled, every RAW terrorist in Balochistan is killed and all the funding by indian terrorist agencies is cut off to them. The clean up operation is about halfway there, it might take a while but Balochistan will be brought under full control of the Government. If the sardars want to pit Balochis against Punjabis like their RAW terrorist masters want, then its 5 million balochis against 100 million punjabis and 30 million pashtuns.

I hope someone like you is in power to take such tough decisions. Good luck.

 

[Bull]

Its quite simple you see.The problem will be solved when the private armies of the tribal sardars are dismantled, every RAW terrorist in Balochistan is killed and all the funding by indian terrorist agencies is cut off to them. The clean up operation is about halfway there, it might take a while but Balochistan will be brought under full control of the Government. If the sardars want to pit Balochis against Punjabis like their RAW terrorist masters want, then its 5 million balochis against 100 million punjabis and 30 million pashtuns.

Why do you have so much of hatred for baluchis?
What makes you think that the baluchis will fight the punjabis or pashtuns?

There wudnt have been so many indegenous operatives if it was a foreign hand behind all these?

How many indian operatives have you killed or captured in these areas to justify your claim?

 

[Bull]

Total amount equivalent to Rs 14.9 Billion (248 million US dollars) were approved by ECNEC for Phase-I of the project. The financial agreement for development of Phase-I was signed with the Govt. of China on 10 August 2001 under which the Chinese will provide US$. 198 Million and the Govt. of Pakistan will provide US$. 50 Million.

Chinese:
Grant US$ 18 Million.
New Grant Assistance US$ 31 Million.
New Interest Free Loan US$ 31 Million
Govt. Concessional Loan US$ 58 Million
Buyer’s Credit US$ 60 Million
Total US $ 198.00 Million
Pakistani:
Rs. 3000 Million (US 50.00 Million) in Local Currency.



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Human Resource

The Chinese have mobilized 450 personal from China and hired 512 local workmen as per following detail:-
Chinese: 450
Pakistani: 512



With almost 80% funding from China and almost 50% man power from China how much of the revenue earned is going to come to pakistans treasury?

Is their any Govt doc / press release available for this?

There has been quotes where it was said that PRC will be paid minor transit fees as a compensation but looking at the kind of funding PRC is doing i think PRC will paying pakistan minor transit fees.

 

[RAPTOR]

Omani investment in Gwadar​

Oman's decision to release $80 million for the development of Gwadar port looks like an indication that the government of President Pervez Musharraf has been able to establish "the writ of the government" over Balochistan to some extent. Monday's announcement by Omani Foreign Minister Yusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah came despite the months of violence and sabotage in the province, during which three Chinese engineers were murdered by terrorists in Hub in February. It was less than three years ago, in May 2004, that the same number of Chinese engineers were killed, that time in Gwadar itself. Oman's eagerness for financial involvement in Gwadar, although things are far from settled in Balochistan, cannot be without significance. At the same time, Mr Abdullah's talks with the president, as well as with Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri, are proof that his daylong visit to Islamabad was no routine trip.
The same day, Gen. Musharraf addressed the 59th Formation Commanders Conference at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi. "No one will be allowed to inflict damage to national assets (in Balochistan), and the writ of the government will be established at all costs," he declared. More important than the warning, however, was his call for "pragmatic policies" and a "progressive approach." Only these could enable Pakistan to "play a significant role and become a key economic and trade hub and energy corridor," he emphasised. Of course, apart from the proposed gas pipeline from Turkmenistan and that between Iran, Pakistan and India, the president must also have had in mind the projected gas pipeline from Qatar across the Gulf.
Correct emphasis at last. Now "crushing" the tribal chiefs, now hobnobbing with alleged secessionists, to the extent of giving them reins of power during critical periods, as our governments did in the 1960s and '70s, would be a perverted connotation of pragmatism. Nor is development in the sad reality that the people of the very province producing the gas are deprived of its use. It's the recent troubles that appear to have made our rulers realise how little attention has been paid to the possible political and economic options for a solution in the largest and poorest province of the country. It's good if that consciousness has now started developing.

 

[Bull]

Satan can u post the link,i made a search in google nothing turned up.

 

[RAPTOR]

Baloch arrested!


Wednesday, April 05,
Baloch activist arrested
By Maqbool Ahmed

KARACHI: Law enforcement agencies detained Munir Mengal, a retired officer of the State Bank of Pakistan and aide of some Baloch leaders, at Jinnah International Airport upon his arrival from Dubai on Tuesday morning.

An immigration official told Daily Times that Mengal had arrived by an Emirates Airline flight. “He was leaving the immigration counter when personnel of the law enforcement agencies whisked him away,” he said.

An Interior Ministry source told Daily Times that Mengal had applied to the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority for licences for a Balochi-language satellite television channel ‘Voice of Baloch’. He said that Mengal’s name was placed on the immigration watch list .


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006/04/05/story_5-4-2006_pg7_9

 

[Neo]

No one has replied to my post 35???

Let me do some research Prash and I'll get back to you.
To my knowledge Pakistan usually gets loan on very soft terms.

Btw, the above figures are direct investment in the port, not in the industrial projects well underway like highways, railwaylink, airport, oil rifinerry, NCG facility etc.

 

[Nasir]

Gawadar port is soon to be operational :thumbsup: Pakistani officials will visit India to get some protocols signed. Shipping protocol would help Pakistan and India to lift cargo from each other's ports for third party consignment.

Gwadar Port to be operational in June: Babar Ghauri

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KARACHI: Gwadar Port will be operational after the completion of dredging in June this year and the President General Pervez Musharraf will inaugurate this port, said senator Babar Khan Ghauri, federal minister for ports and shipping.

“Dredging of the navigational channel at 14.5 draught will be completed in June this year,” the minister said. “The work on other chain facilities was also in final phase.” “We would finalise the selection of private port operators within one month to start port operations after two months,” he said. Talking to the media after inaugurating the media cell set up at Pakistan National Shipping Corporation (PNSC) building here Wednesday, the minister said the government is expecting a huge foreign direct investment through Gwadar port.

The government is trying to provide maximum incentives and facilities to the investors at Gwadar, he added.

The federal minister for ports and shipping said Gwadar Port would be one of the leading ports of the region where mother ships would be calling. This would make it a cost competitive port as a larger ship bringing big volume of cargo would cost less to the port user in terms of per tone port charges.

To a question, he said the government was encouraging the employment of local people in various mega projects in Baluchistan including Gwadar port.

“President Musharraf is very sincere and serious to change the life style of people of Baluchistan through record development,” he said.

Highlighting the performance of his ministry over last couple of years, he said besides making Port Qasim and KPT services cost effective in the region, other achievements included the launching of many affiliated projects worth billions of rupees. Pakistan National Shipping Corporation (PNSC) had been totally turned around, he added.

“PNSC once considered a dead organization earned more than Rs 3 billion in 2004-05,” the minister said adding that two oil tankers were also inducted in its fleet during last fiscal year. Other two tankers and one bulk cargo ship would be inducted within a year, he added.

When his attention was drawn to the delay in the planned Karachi-Mumbai ferry service, the minister said it would be started as soon as new shipping protocol between Pakistan and India was signed.

“From Pakistani side everything is clear. There are now positive signals from other side. Most likely, we go to India next month to ink this important agreement,” he said. He informed the media that three licenses were already issued to private firms to operate the ferry service and more could be issued if the situation demanded.

”The shipping protocol had been approved by federal cabinet and hopefully would be signed either late this month or earlier May with India,” he said.

Shipping protocol would help Pakistan and India to lift cargo from each other's ports for third party consignment.

He said absence of such a protocol had brought about huge financial losses to PNSC previously, which he thought, could be avoided in the presence of the shipping protocol. Regarding ferry services and issuance of licenses, he said it was linked with the formal agreement between Pakistan and India on shipping protocol. “Once shipping protocol is signed by both Pakistan and India then ferry services would be commenced from Karachi to Mumbai.” He said licenses for ferry operation from Karachi to Mumbai had been issued to the interested parties. He said that any party could acquire ferry license and there was no restriction in this regard. He said an American private firm was investing around Rs 1 billion on project, which would also leash out economic activities in the area on grand scale. He said Food Street would be completed within next 6 months. Staff Report

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C04%5C06%5Cstory_6-4-2006_pg5_14

 

[Comanche]

is it true that dpw of dubai ports is going to be in charge of the gwadr port city operations? if its true then its a goodthing and omanians are also going to invast in gwadr because long time ago gwadr was part of oman.

 

[Bull]

s it true that dpw of dubai ports is going to be in charge of the gwadr port city operations?.

I have heard that too.
Thy have experience in operating such deep sea ports,so that experience might come in very handy.

They also operate the new transhipment port in Cochin and has a string of other ports in other parts of India too.

if its true then its a goodthing and omanians are also going to invast in gwadr .

I have read that too.

because long time ago gwadr was part of oman.

What???

 

[Neo]

I have heard that too.
Thy have experience in operating such deep sea ports,so that experience might come in very handy.

They also operate the new transhipment port in Cochin and has a string of other ports in other parts of India too.
I have read that too.

Yes, both Dubai and Oman are interested to invest heavily in Gwadar in second fase.

What???

Yes, historically Gwadar and other parts of Makran belonged to Oman but were given to Pakistan!
Luckily there's no ongoing dispute, Oman recognases Pakistan is it is today.:thumbsup:

 

[Bull]

Yes, both Dubai and Oman are interested to invest heavily in Gwadar in second fase.


Yes, historically Gwadar and other parts of Makran belonged to Oman but were given to Pakistan!
Luckily there's no ongoing dispute, Oman recognases Pakistan is it is today.:thumbsup:

yes there was no dispute about recognition of pakistanbut i wasnt aware of gwadar being a part of oman earlier.

Anyways coming back to the pt, my post 35??? Neo where r u?

 

[Bull]

Power import from Iran to cost Pakistan dearly​

By Khalid Mustafa​

ISLAMABAD: The government is all set to formally allow Wapda on April 14 to purchase electricity from Iran for some border areas in Balochistan at a revised rate of 5 US cents per unit as against the rate of 3 cents per unit at which Pakistan imported electricity during the last three years, sources said on Saturday.
The Economic Coordination Committee (ECC), which is to meet on April 14 with Prime Minister Shukat Aziz in chair, is all set to accord permission to Wapda to purchase electricity from Iran at the revised rate of 5 US cents per unit, sources told The News.
"The Ministry of Water and Power has sent a summary to this effect to the Cabinet Division for the ECC meeting seeking approval of 5 US cents per unit for electricity from Iran."
Pakistan is currently importing 30 MW of electricity from Iran at the rate of 3 cents per unit for Taftan and Mashkhail — border areas of Pakistan since October 2002. In July 2002, the then Wapda chairman, Lt-Gen (retd) Zulfiqar Ali, and the head of TAVANIR-Iranian counterpart of Wapda signed an MoU, which envisaged sale of electricity by TAVANIR to Wapda at the rate of 3 cents per unit for three years.
The sources said, "Now after the termination of the three-year contract for importing electricity at the rate of 3 cents per unit, Wapda experts made a visit to Iran in September 2005 to hold talks with TAVANIR authorities seeking the extension of the electricity sale contract for another three years on the same 3 cents per unit rate."
According to these sources, Iranian authorities asked to revise the price of electricity being supplied to border areas of Pakistan from 3 cents to 6.11 cents per unit, but Pakistan experts offered to increase the price to US cents 4 per unit.
According to sources, the issue was later resolved through diplomatic channels and both sides agreed to review the contract for another three years at revised prices of 5 US cents per unit.
During the bilateral negotiations held in September 2005 in Tehran, both sides also agreed to increase the amount of supply of power from 30 to 35 MW. Pakistan also requested for supply of electricity from Saravan (Iran) to Pakistani village on Pak-Iran border.
It is pertinent to mention that Pakistan is seeking import of more electricity of 100 MW at the rate of 4.2 cents per unit for purely the area of Gwadar port to meet its electricity needs, but Iran wants higher price of electricity, said Wapda sources
Pakistan wants to import 100 MW of electricity at the rate of 4.2 cents per unit (over Rs3 per unit), but Iran is so far not willing at the rate desired by Pakistan. However, it is hope that in the days to come a mutually acceptable deal would be finalised.

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2006-daily/09-04-2006/main/main9.htm