Strategic options on kashmir issue

[SIPRA]

You are being so naive or being stupid, i don't know but you are analysing Indian military and diplomatic capabilities wrong.
India has the capability to invade the Pakistan like anything. We have done it past very well. India is more powerful than Past now in both segments.
There is a reason why the whole Pakistan is shivering from so called "false flag" including their PM.
But like Amit Shah told in a interview , "there is a time and place for everything ".

@Mangus Ortus Novem: Lo Paa Jee: Ik hor aa gaya jay.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You are being so naive or being stupid, i don't know but you are analysing Indian military and diplomatic capabilities wrong.
India has the capability to invade the Pakistan like anything. We have done it past very well. India is more powerful than Past now in both segments.
There is a reason why the whole Pakistan is shivering from so called "false flag" including their PM.
But like Amit Shah told in a interview , "there is a time and place for everything ".

Not at all.

21 century, its not possible for Pakistan or India to forcefully get the lands.

About Amit shah, I don't like this guy as well. Creating lots of problems in India.

He will be responsible person to loose next election.

I m not much interested in political dramas which play by leaders of both countries on Jammu and Kashmir including pak.

 

[jaibi]

More than that, whether we're capable or not, I think, it's undesirable for all - Pakistan, India, Kashmiris and the World that there's an active conflict here.

Not at all.

21 century, its not possible for Pakistan or India to forcefully get the lands.

About Amit shah, I don't like this guy as well. Creating lots of problems in India.

He will be responsible person to loose next election.

I m not much interested in political dramas which play by leaders of both countries on Jammu and Kashmir including pak.

 

[SIPRA]

Gangum Khuwabum Mahaum ....
Pagalpunum Gangum LaIlajum
Dadnaum Litarum Rozanaum
Manjium Dangum Marnaum

 

[pakistanitarzan]

You are being so naive or being stupid, i don't know but you are analysing Indian military and diplomatic capabilities wrong.
India has the capability to invade the Pakistan like anything. We have done it past very well. India is more powerful than Past now in both segments.
There is a reason why the whole Pakistan is shivering from so called "false flag" including their PM.
But like Amit Shah told in a interview , "there is a time and place for everything ".

27th feb chutiye

 

[War Thunder]

Read the history carefully: that only I would suggest.

Fortunately, no one is having such power to change the history which already written in bold letters.

What history?
I told you to go and read the resolution.
why don't you?

 

[blueazure]

Sir ji, I already have gone thru about UN resolution on Kashmir and who told you that Pak kashmir (Including gilgit balochistan) does not come under UN resolution?. Ok leave it- why you have so called separate PM for called Azad Pak Kashmir.

Also, in 1947- There was only one state that was called J&K (Including gilgit balochistan and China occupied parts).

The fact is resolution was rejected by both countries. Now, Pakistan is asking to apply on Indian held kashmir only. For me- it's a very funny and far from realistic.

Please read carefully:
Pakistan:
A. Restoration of peace and order
1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:
(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide
full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their
views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate
in the maintenance of peace and order.

2. The Government of India should:
(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's
resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the
fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
(c) When the Indian forces have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the
inhabitants of the State;
(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their
present base area.
3. The Government of India should agree that until such time as the Plebiscite Administration referred to
below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces and police
provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the Plebiscite Administrator.
4. After the plan referred to in paragraph 2 (a) above has been put into operation, personnel recruited locally
in each district should so far as possible be utilized for the re-establishment and maintenance of law and
order with due regard to protection of minorities, subject to such additional requirements as may be specified
by the Plebiscite Administration referred to in paragraph 7.
5. If these local forces should be found to be inadequate, the Commission, subject to the agreement of both
the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan, should arrange for the use of such forces of either
Dominion as it deems effective for the purpose of pacification.
B. Plebiscite
6. The Government of India should undertake to ensure that the Government of the State invite the major
political groups to designate responsible representatives to share equitably and fully in the conduct of the
administration at the ministerial level while the plebiscite is being prepared and carried out.
7. The Government of India should undertake that there will be established in Jammu and Kashmir a Plebiscite
Administration to hold a plebiscite as soon as possible on the question of the accession of the State to India
or Pakistan.
8. The Government of India should undertake that there will be delegated by the State to the Plebiscite
Administration such powers as the latter considers necessary for holding a fair and impartial plebiscite
including, for that purpose only, the direction and supervision of the State forces and police.
9. The Government of India should, at the request of the Plebiscite Administration, make available from the
Indian forces such assistance as the Plebiscite Administration may require for the performance of its functions.
10. (a) The Government of India should agree that a nominee of the Secretary-General of the United Nations will
be appointed to be the Plebiscite Administrator.
(b) The Plebiscite Administrator, acting as an officer of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, should have
authority to nominate his assistants and other subordinates and to draft regulations governing the plebiscite.
Such nominees should be formally appointed and such draft regulations should be formally promulgated by the
State of Jammu and Kashmir.
(c) The Government of India should undertake that the Government of Jammu and Kashmir will appoint fully
qualified persons nominated by the Plebiscite Administrator to act as special magistrates within the State
judicial system to hear cases which in the opinion of the Plebiscite Administrator have a serious bearing on
the preparation for and the conduct of a free and impartial plebiscite.
(d) The terms of service of the Administrator should form the subject of a separate negotiation between the
Secretary-General of the United Nations and the Government of India. The Administrator should fix the terms
of service for his assistants and subordinates.
(e) The Administrator should have the right to communicate directly with the Government of the State and with
the Commission of the Security Council and, through the Commission, with the Security Council, with the
Governments of India and Pakistan and with their representatives with the Commission. It would be his duty
to bring to the notice of any or
all of the foregoing (as he in his discretion may decide) any circumstances arising which may tend, in his
opinion, to interfere with the freedom of the plebiscite.
11. The Government of India should undertake to prevent, and to give full support to the Administrator and
his staff in preventing, any threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters
in the plebiscite, and the Government of India should publicly announce and should cause the Government of
the State to announce this undertaking as an international obligation binding on all public authorities and
officials in Jammu and Kashmir.
12. The Government of India should themselves and through the Government of the State declare and make known
that all subjects of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, regardless of creed, caste or party, will be safe and
free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State and that there
will be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of
lawful entry and exit.
13. The Government of India should use and should ensure that the Government of the State also use their
best endeavours to effect the withdrawal from the State of all Indian nationals other than those who are
normally resident therein or who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for a lawful purpose.
14. The Government of India should ensure that the Government of the State releases all political prisoners
and take all possible steps so that:
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of disturbances are invited, and are free, to
return to their homes and to exercise their rights as such citizens;
(b) There is no victimization;
(c) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection.
15. The Commission of the Security Council should at the end of the plebiscite certify to the Council whether
the plebiscite has or has not been really free and impartial.
C. General provisions
16. The Governments of India and Pakistan should each be invited to nominate a representative to be attached
to the Commission for such assistance as it may require in the performance of its task.
17. The Commission should establish in Jammu and Kashmir such observers as it may require of any of the
proceedings in pursuance of the measures indicated in the foregoing paragraphs.
18. The Security Council Commission should carry out the tasks assigned to it herein.

http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/47

my ancestors and buzargs have crushed your skulls and invaded your sorry gangaland 19x times . my ancestors ruled over your pathetic land for 1000 years ( the same 1000 years ghulami which indira gandhi claimed revenge after 71')

my ancestors have told me just one thing=== never to lay trust in a hindu . period

sword and power is what you understand ,

regards kashmir, its simply unfinsihed business of partition... you are only getting a breathing space because my leader these days is a coward... make no mistake, kashmir will be solved by force ( as in the wild west when all disputes were ) .

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

my ancestors and buzargs have crushed your skulls and invaded your sorry gangaland 19x times . my ancestors ruled over your pathetic land for 1000 years ( the same 1000 years ghulami which indira gandhi claimed revenge after 71')

my ancestors have told me just one thing=== never to lay trust in a hindu . period

sword and power is what you understand ,

regards kashmir, its simply unfinsihed business of partition... you are only getting a breathing space because my leader these days is a coward... make no mistake, kashmir will be solved by force ( as in the wild west when all disputes were ) .

Too worng, Bro.

All were came from Western countries and crushed both nations (Present- Pakistan and India).

Only criteria if being Muslim, you think that your ancestors ruled?

Than, I always laugh and move on and doubt about your identity. (Are you Uzbekistan, iraqi, afghani or true pakistani, because I dont find any big muslim ruler from current land (Pakistan) in the history?)

 

[Reddington]

UN is a dead POS organisation.
Secondly, referendum if ever happens will happen in AJK and IOK. GB has nothing to do with Kashmir.

Kashmir will only be liberated through force. A war is coming. We should have supported Kashmiri armed struggle in Kashmir after 5th August and we should have struck them hard on 27 Feb by wiping out their military/airbases in IOK. We have made too many mistakes. Now the enemy is fully prepared and want to wage a war after concocting a false flag.

 

[Genghis khan1]

War is the only solution, if Pakistan expect anything favorable.

 

[Minho]

Too worng, Bro.

All were came from Western countries and crushed both nations (Present- Pakistan and India).

Only criteria if being Muslim, you think that your ancestors ruled?

Than, I always laugh and move on and doubt about your identity. (Are you Uzbekistan, iraqi, afghani or true pakistani, because I dont find any big muslim ruler from current land (Pakistan) in the history?)

Go easy on him. He is probably still butthurt about the fact is ancesters were crushed and defeated by the Marathas.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Too worng, Bro.

All were came from Western countries and crushed both nations (Present- Pakistan and India).

Only criteria if being Muslim, you think that your ancestors ruled?

Than, I always laugh and move on and doubt about your identity. (Are you Uzbekistan, iraqi, afghani or true pakistani, because I dont find any big muslim ruler from current land (Pakistan) in the history?)

Its funny how stupid you have to be maintain this Indian logic.

He wanted to say no 'rulers' come from Pakistan, then realising how wrong that is, had to clarify 'muslim rulers', then realising how wrong that is, had to add 'big muslim rulers'

...and the ever so stupid belief that Pakistanis who have no history of migration or foreign ancestry are not natives of the land, just screams nothing but pure jealousy and obsession on the part of these gangus that parrot it over and over.

Go easy on him. He is probably still butthurt about the fact is ancesters were crushed and defeated by the Marathas.

Wow the 2-3 years which Marathas held dominion, before being humiliated, and chased out of Punjab was really embarassing for us. Yes thats completely the same as hundreds of years of subjugation by Muslim rulers in every region of India.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Its funny how stupid you have to be maintain this Indian logic.

He wanted to say no 'rulers' come from Pakistan, then realising how wrong that is, had to clarify 'muslim rulers', then realising how wrong that is, had to add 'big muslim rulers'

...and the ever so stupid belief that Pakistanis who have no history of migration or foreign ancestry are not natives of the land, just screams nothing but pure jealousy and obsession on the part of these gangus that parrot it over and over.



Wow the 2-3 years which Marathas held dominion, before being humiliated, and chased out of Punjab was really embarassing for us. Yes thats completely the same as hundreds of years of subjugation by Muslim rulers in every region of India.

Who was the Pakistani ruler? Give tge name and born location of the great ruler from present Pakistan land?

Again, from Western countries was ruling on us including Pakistan. Its funny if someone has identity problems.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

O Pajee,

Pakistan is going for referendum in AJK under UN observation... a solid step.

We are not going to, indeed, change PakNarrative on IoJK...knowing full well that UN is a khasee khotta serving the global powers only... and certainly without any Muslim representation in UNSC ...it shall remain a post-colonial tool.

However, Pakistan is also ready for the next step... again knowing full well how 'honest' UNSC is....

With PakChina playing a tag team here... IoJK is anything but annexed by GanguFacistRegime.... infact, GanguTerroristArmy is now even more bogged down than ever...

As I have tried to elaborate earlier ... Kashmir has now entered a HybridStruggle...and it is only going to grow... Painful as it is to see the zulm in IoJK..we need to keep following the current strategy..

Regarding, Gangum Bakwasum Chootium ...well, a Gangu is a Gangu because it is Gangu..

I believe we agreed to this Gangu Condition earlier.. if you would like to add something on top...always a delight...

Muj is bigger than a cow!

Mangus

Kufr continues, Zulm doesn't...

 

[third eye]

After 5 august 2019 , pakistan needs new future strategy regarding kashmir .
Pleas feel free to share your opinion .
Some options in my humble opnion .
1: Referendum in Azad kashmir / gilgit-baltistan under UN observers and make it another province of Pakistan according to UN resolution.
2: shift from aggressive diplomacy to aggressive strategy of destablising India and putting immense pressure in occupied kashmir .
3 : Supporting legitimate Armed struggle according UN rules of freedom fight in occupied kashmir . From providing weapons to manpower.
4 : Break all diplomatic relations with india and put aggressive diplomacy among arab countries to put pressure on India , Remember its not one way traffic relation with arabs they giving us ecomony peanuts in return they are getting military support . So withdraw that support if they dont stand with us . Strengthen relatiins with qatar turkey and malaysia .
5 .start Limited low to high intesity war in kashmir to seek the attention of World community .

Now or never .
Otherwise it would be too late , already lost occupied kashmir and if pakistan remain same ...soon will loose kasmiris support for pak too .
Its never get a perfect economy and military for nation to respond but a strong will to respond .
People who thinks we shld strengthen our economy first , should know fact pakistan needs continous growth momentum of atleast more than 1 to 2 more decades to get economy comparable to india .
So whether wait for 2 decades or act now

Barring Ser 1 , which of the remaining options has Pak not tried unsuccessfully in the past ?

As regards’ now or never ‘ , Never is the answer. The sooner Pak realises this & moves on the better for it

India meanwhile does what it deems best for its land.