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Strategic options on kashmir issue

Don't troll UN resolution for whole Kashmir not only for our part of Kashmir and gilgit batistan, and when these UN resolutions state that PA leave and hand over to IA then that referendum will be not neutral, and if you captured our part Kashmir why do you need a referendum that's the pathetic logic, and you giving wrong definitions UN resolutions says both IA/ and PA will withdraw to minimal strength so fair and neutral referendum will be held on both IOK/ AZAD KASHMIR

I already told- UN resolution on kashmir was dead when Pakistan and India not accepted. Now, even you are not accepting the facts but the world can't ignore the facts as well. So, it's like a dead body but always use for political gain.



We are not here to discuss Bollywood dreams.

Go and read your so called resolutions instead of interpreting them in a dumb way and actually believing it.

He's another dumb modi godi mind trying to project his bollywood logic onto the reality of things.
Do they teach education other than bollywood over there anymore?

Read the history carefully: that only I would suggest.

Fortunately, no one is having such power to change the history which already written in bold letters.
 
What facts you're talking about and don't twist UN resolutions to your narratives which are false according to your links there are no such things only PA leaves from AZAD Kashmir and IA captured our part and then referendum will happen in only in AZAD Kashmir under supervision of IA, UN resolutions are crystal clear about Kashmir issue both forces leaves from their parts of Kashmir, so fair and neutral referendum will happen under the supervision of UN observers in the whole Kashmir
 
What facts you're talking about and don't twist UN resolutions to your narratives which are false according to your links there are no such things only PA leaves from AZAD Kashmir and IA captured our part and then referendum will happen in only in AZAD Kashmir under supervision of IA, UN resolutions are crystal clear about Kashmir issue both forces leaves from their parts of Kashmir, so fair and neutral referendum will happen under the supervision of UN observers in the whole Kashmir

Sir ji- its funny that you are not ready to accept the facts and expecting solution from UN.

I am saying UN reslolution for entire Jammu and kashmir (Including Indian and Pakistan)

History is not possible to change and other countries know the facts about UN resolution on Jammu and kashmir. So, it does not matter, what you believe and I.

Good day.....
 
Sir ji- its funny that you are not ready to accept the facts and expecting solution from UN.

History is not possible to change and other countries know the facts about UN resolution on Jammu and kashmir. So, it does not matter, what you believe and I.

Good day.....
and show me where your REAL FACTS in UN RESOLUTIONS that's you are talking about :crazy::crazy::crazy:
 
and show me where your REAL FACTS in UN RESOLUTIONS that's you are talking about :crazy::crazy::crazy:

Sorry my bad - I meant to say that UN resolution for entire Jammu and kashmir (Including Indian and Pakistan lands), it's not about only India or Pakistani Kashmir.

It was not accepted by both countries and now, no chance to accept as well.
 
Sir ji, I already have gone thru about UN resolution on Kashmir and who told you that Pak kashmir (Including gilgit balochistan) does not come under UN resolution?. Ok leave it- why you have so called separate PM for called Azad Pak Kashmir.

Also, in 1947- There was only one state that was called J&K (Including gilgit balochistan and China occupied parts).

The fact is resolution was rejected by both countries. Now, Pakistan is asking to apply on Indian held kashmir only. For me- it's a very funny and far from realistic.

Please read carefully:
Pakistan:
A. Restoration of peace and order
1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:
(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide
full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their
views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate
in the maintenance of peace and order.

2. The Government of India should:
(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's
resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the
fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
(c) When the Indian forces have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the
inhabitants of the State;
(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their
present base area.
3. The Government of India should agree that until such time as the Plebiscite Administration referred to
below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces and police
provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the Plebiscite Administrator.
4. After the plan referred to in paragraph 2 (a) above has been put into operation, personnel recruited locally
in each district should so far as possible be utilized for the re-establishment and maintenance of law and
order with due regard to protection of minorities, subject to such additional requirements as may be specified
by the Plebiscite Administration referred to in paragraph 7.
5. If these local forces should be found to be inadequate, the Commission, subject to the agreement of both
the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan, should arrange for the use of such forces of either
Dominion as it deems effective for the purpose of pacification.
B. Plebiscite
6. The Government of India should undertake to ensure that the Government of the State invite the major
political groups to designate responsible representatives to share equitably and fully in the conduct of the
administration at the ministerial level while the plebiscite is being prepared and carried out.
7. The Government of India should undertake that there will be established in Jammu and Kashmir a Plebiscite
Administration to hold a plebiscite as soon as possible on the question of the accession of the State to India
or Pakistan.
8. The Government of India should undertake that there will be delegated by the State to the Plebiscite
Administration such powers as the latter considers necessary for holding a fair and impartial plebiscite
including, for that purpose only, the direction and supervision of the State forces and police.
9. The Government of India should, at the request of the Plebiscite Administration, make available from the
Indian forces such assistance as the Plebiscite Administration may require for the performance of its functions.
10. (a) The Government of India should agree that a nominee of the Secretary-General of the United Nations will
be appointed to be the Plebiscite Administrator.
(b) The Plebiscite Administrator, acting as an officer of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, should have
authority to nominate his assistants and other subordinates and to draft regulations governing the plebiscite.
Such nominees should be formally appointed and such draft regulations should be formally promulgated by the
State of Jammu and Kashmir.
(c) The Government of India should undertake that the Government of Jammu and Kashmir will appoint fully
qualified persons nominated by the Plebiscite Administrator to act as special magistrates within the State
judicial system to hear cases which in the opinion of the Plebiscite Administrator have a serious bearing on
the preparation for and the conduct of a free and impartial plebiscite.
(d) The terms of service of the Administrator should form the subject of a separate negotiation between the
Secretary-General of the United Nations and the Government of India. The Administrator should fix the terms
of service for his assistants and subordinates.
(e) The Administrator should have the right to communicate directly with the Government of the State and with
the Commission of the Security Council and, through the Commission, with the Security Council, with the
Governments of India and Pakistan and with their representatives with the Commission. It would be his duty
to bring to the notice of any or
all of the foregoing (as he in his discretion may decide) any circumstances arising which may tend, in his
opinion, to interfere with the freedom of the plebiscite.
11. The Government of India should undertake to prevent, and to give full support to the Administrator and
his staff in preventing, any threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters
in the plebiscite, and the Government of India should publicly announce and should cause the Government of
the State to announce this undertaking as an international obligation binding on all public authorities and
officials in Jammu and Kashmir.
12. The Government of India should themselves and through the Government of the State declare and make known
that all subjects of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, regardless of creed, caste or party, will be safe and
free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State and that there
will be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of
lawful entry and exit.
13. The Government of India should use and should ensure that the Government of the State also use their
best endeavours to effect the withdrawal from the State of all Indian nationals other than those who are
normally resident therein or who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for a lawful purpose.
14. The Government of India should ensure that the Government of the State releases all political prisoners
and take all possible steps so that:
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of disturbances are invited, and are free, to
return to their homes and to exercise their rights as such citizens;
(b) There is no victimization;
(c) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection.
15. The Commission of the Security Council should at the end of the plebiscite certify to the Council whether
the plebiscite has or has not been really free and impartial.
C. General provisions
16. The Governments of India and Pakistan should each be invited to nominate a representative to be attached
to the Commission for such assistance as it may require in the performance of its task.
17. The Commission should establish in Jammu and Kashmir such observers as it may require of any of the
proceedings in pursuance of the measures indicated in the foregoing paragraphs.
18. The Security Council Commission should carry out the tasks assigned to it herein.

http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/47


This is outdated resolution. Resolution 80 wants both India and Pakistan out of Kashmir

http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/80

The resolution 80 marked a shift from the resolution 47 which called for Pakistan to withdraw first. Resolution 80 asked India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops simultaneously for the purpose of plebiscite. It also implicitly equated the Azad Kashmir Forces and the Jammu and Kashmir State Forces, which went against the assurances given by the earlier UN Commission

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...OOTNOTEKorbel,_Danger_in_Kashmir1966166–167-1

Don't troll UN resolution for whole Kashmir not only for our part of Kashmir and gilgit batistan, and when these UN resolutions state that PA leave and hand over to IA then that referendum will be not neutral, and if you captured our part Kashmir why do you need a referendum that's the pathetic logic, and you giving wrong definitions UN resolutions says both IA/ and PA will withdraw to minimal strength so fair and neutral referendum will be held on both IOK/ AZAD KASHMIR

He is a gangu who is distorting things. Notice how he conveniently forgets resolution 80.
 
Sorry my bad - I meant to say that UN resolution for entire Jammu and kashmir (Including Indian and Pakistan lands), it's not about only India or Pakistani Kashmir.

It was not accepted by both countries and now, no chance to accept as well.
And that's i am talking about, if superpower wants to solve Kashmir issues its takes minutes to solves but they wont let it happen because they sell their weapons to both countries because of Kashmir issue
 
And that's i am talking about, if superpower wants to solve Kashmir issues its takes minutes to solves but they wont let it happen because they sell their weapons to both countries because of Kashmir issue

Totally, Agreed.... but it was possible before 1970.

Now, its not possible to take lands by forcefully. Pakistan and India, both does not have capability and power.

its a endless discussion with no solution because no one wants to loose their territory. And, its a fact.

Superpowers are always take advantage and even they dont want to get involve.
 
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Those who have hate in india reply them with full push diplomatically i support
2nd and 3rd suggestion. This cancer of hinduvta is spreading and infesting whole india we have to do somthing to stop it... so it has to happen in india..
i dont know why did it stop. we have to equally reply to india of every blast in Pak they will not stop till they face the same what we go thru..
how many times they bring their army to border, if they want war then we make sure it will be last for this indian cancer.
 
Totally, Agreed.... but it was possible before 1970.
Now, its not possible to take lands by forcefully. Pakistan and India, both does not capability and power.
its a endless discussion with no solution because no one wants to loose their territory. And, its a fact.
Superpowers are always take advantage and even they dont want to get involve.

Yes, and consequently the dispute would remain as such and continue to have its intended as well as inadvertent consequences.
 
We need to focus on our economic power to push our weight against the opposition. UN has changed in the 21st century and it's no longer about words anymore. The West has, in my opinion, alienated much of what was the called the 'third world' or developing nations after 1990 (end of Cold War) who've invariably turned towards other centres of power such as China, India, Russia (different from USSR) etc., Hence, we need to be economically strong, build strong alliances (economic and policy wise, not just hardcore military defence) and push our side of the story. Our military is strong enough and much more battlehardened than the opposition, which would keep them at bay (as was recently seen). In the new dynamic of the world this appears to be the only way but that's just my opinion.
 
Totally, Agreed.... but it was possible before 1970.

Now, its not possible to take lands by forcefully. Pakistan and India, both does not have capability and power.

its a endless discussion with no solution because no one wants to loose their territory. And, its a fact.

Superpowers are always take advantage and even they dont want to get involve.
You are being so naive or being stupid, i don't know but you are analysing Indian military and diplomatic capabilities wrong.
India has the capability to invade the Pakistan like anything. We have done it past very well. India is more powerful than Past now in both segments.
There is a reason why the whole Pakistan is shivering from so called "false flag" including their PM.
But like Amit Shah told in a interview , "there is a time and place for everything ".
 
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