Stop Blaming India for Quetta Attack or Any Other Terror Attack

[Sine Nomine]

Apparently our friend @Peaceful Civilian thinks UN is a court where we are supposed to give proofs too for any allegation.

You can go to UN and say obama is a homosexual and nobody would ask for proof for it.

These guys are in plain delusion,look UN failed every where when she was needed to protect Muslim and poor countries.Golan Heights,Junagadh,1971 civilwar etc.

Why cant Pakistan and Afghanistan become Friends

Why do you want to dominate and control Afghanistan through the Taliban

Taliban are reality we can't ignore them,look Kabul has accepted Hekmatyar and tomorrow haqqanis and then Mullah Habitullah,what we will achieve by alienating them,if one day,kabul will embarrass them.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Stop whining and blaming Afghanistan. For 25 years you have harbored Taliban leaders and supported them economically. You support terrorist in Kashmir as well. Mullah Omar was killed in Pakistan, Mullah Mansoor was killed in Pakistan, Osama was killed in Pakistan. It's all to be blamed on ISI and Pak army of their dirty policy.

Just as Imran Khan and Sartaj Aziz if you want to know the difference between good and bad Taliban.

Bacha you forget to mention Hekmatyar.

 

[abc123xyx]

i have a short story to tell.

there was a tailor searching something under the street light.
a person came near him and ask.

person : what are you searching?

tailor : i lost my needle?

person : are you sure you going to get that?

tailor : i have high hopes.

person : where did you lost that ?

tailor : AT MY HOME !

person : then why are searching here ?

tailor : because its bright here due to street light and there is dark in my house.

 

[shah1398]

And what about our army??

The ones who we considered to be guardians of this country

They can only guard the country the way its meant to by removing likes of NS,Zardari,Diesel,Chakzai,Mota Gainda,Easy Load guys and their stooges and list goes on. And if they do so the same forum wud be full of hues and cries for "Jamhooriat pau Hamla". When almost all politicians, Judiciary, Media have agreed not to agree with Army then howcome U can blame them for that? They have bled the most for us and we still have the audacity to question them, blame them, ridicule them whenever we want to. Do U want them to bring on another martial law as this is the only way right now they can freely function the way they want to as like U said no party is left who can lead us, let alone PTI? But just like Musharraf they wud be compelled to seek a political ally who ll play havoc with the whole country. Tell U what no one else except we the stupid baboons aka NATION is responsible for our these miseries. We keep on supporting known criminals and when we our selves get harmed then we start looking towards Army. Unfortunately we are a "MOB" called Nation who can easily be steered to any side anyone wants to. So its time we start asking our own selves and hold first ourselves accountable before pointing finger at anyone else.

 

[IceCold]

OK let us ask another Question

What is EASIER for Pakistan

1 To make peace with Afghanistan or

2 To make peace with India

This isnt a simple question which would deserve a simple answer. None is easier for Pakistan. Afghanistan is hardly a country with different factions controlling it, US NATO, ANA Taliban you name it. Pakistan because of the nature of our border has to keep in contact with everyone. We cannot pick and chose one and ignore the other. Hence with Afghanistan relations will always be rocky.
With India Pakistan does not face the above problem, there is a centre government and a powerful one. However with India there are a whole list of another problems with all their root causes in Kashmir.
Even if Pakistan forgets Kashmir and start focusing on trade, give India access to Afghanistan and give it the MFN status, the moment something happens in Kashmir, all guns will be pointed towards Pakistan. We will be dragged in whether we support it or dont. Thats the complexity of our relations with India.

 

[Areesh]

Then why do you keep mentioning Kashmir in the U.N. if the U.N. is so useless?

Just to keep the issue alive in UN and international arena. Anyone knows that UN can't do crap about Kashmir or any other conflict which don't involve US and its objectives

 

[rockstarIN]

Answer:
Because we vote likes of PMLN, PPP, MQM & JUI to rule us for good.

How easy it is? to point out the main stream political parties for the failures!

Those party workers are your people, the leaders among from your population, not out of the country... And you guys only elected them. When you blame your parties, you blame yourself..

All main political leaders born out from the masses who elected them.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why??

Because all this blaming and whining is simply moronic and is totally stupid.

India is an enemy. We all know that. An enemy job naturally is supposed to hurt you. It is natural. India would try to harm Pakistan which again is natural. It is neither surprising and nor something unexpected.

What matters is what we as a nation and a country are doing?

Why we have become such a coward who can't even stand up to Afghanistan.

Why are we so indifferent towards death of our people.

Why we expect American and that sorry excuse of a country Afghanistan to kill TTP and other terrorists for us?

Why don't we do it ourselves?

Why don't we threaten Afghanistan of dire consequences in case of another terror attack?

Why we keep requesting and begging to this joke called as Afghanistan to kill our enemies?

What is stopping us from hanging terrorists that are present in our jails?(nope no terrorist of TTP is being hanged right now)

What is stopping us from improving our security procedures in our territory?

What is stopping us from removing and punishing IG balochistan for his incompetency?

If we can't do all above then mind my words. We have no reason and no justification to blame India without doing above.

Agreed. The indians are the eternal enemies of Pakistan and Pakistani people. That is for eternity. No point in complaining about it. We need to address all aggressions against us appropriately. Even the Afghan ones. As a people, us Pakistanis have lost our ruthlessness. We need to regain it again. Once we do we are the most vicious creatures on earth and can reign hell on our enemies.

 

[Areesh]

I hate these political scumbags as much as you, including PTI (full of corrupt people now and focusing more on theatrics rather than running their province).

But let's not kid ourselves --- military dictators have been pathetic too. Mush, the great Mush, who brought back MQM from the brink and gave it a foothold in Karachi that we are still trying to reverse. The same MQM who are RAW agents, terrorists, extortionists, target killers. The same Mush who brought PML-Q into Punjab. I know the PML Q family kids --- trust me, they got very rich very fast.

Our problem is across the board.

Back on topic, I am very thankful to @Areesh for this thread. The blame lies squarely with us. It's good to know who you are fighting / who is supporting these terrorists (NDS, RAW, etc), but talk is cheap. Saying they did it is the most pathetic way to respond to such a crises. We must do something about it.

We can't keep killing the young kids they brainwash and send to blow themselves up. We have to blow up their offices and camps, and kill their leadership, in Afghanistan. Otherwise, we are not raising the cost for these foreign agencies to meddle in our internal security. And if you don't raise the cost, you don't send a message. And when you don't send a message, they keep doing it.

Completely agreed. Make the enemy feel that you are not secure and safe in Afghanistan. Only then we would feel secure in Pakistan. Till we continue to act like sissies nothing would change.

Pakistan can't be taken seriously in the world when it has attacks like Quetta in every few months. Or economy no matter what would remain stagnant. CPEC would fail with attacks like Quetta. We would be going no where.

So if you are a nuclear power with sixth or seventh largest standing army then stop acting like a high school kid who is whining after getting bullied by a bully.

 

[R Wing]

Agreed. The indians are the eternal enemies of Pakistan and Pakistani people. That is for eternity. No point in complaining about it. We need to address all aggressions against us appropriately. Even the Afghan ones. As a people, us Pakistanis have lost our ruthlessness. We need to regain it again. Once we do we are the most vicious creatures on earth and can reign hell on our enemies.

Completely agreed. Make the enemy feel that you are not secure and safe in Afghanistan. Only then we would feel secure in Pakistan. Till we continue to act like sissies nothing would change.

Pakistan can't be taken seriously in the world when it has attacks like Quetta in every few months. Or economy no matter what would remain stagnant. CPEC would fail with attacks like Quetta. We would be going no where.

So if you are a nuclear power with sixth or seventh largest standing army then stop acting like a high school who is whining after getting bullied by a bully.

Precisely. I spoke with some people over the past day or two and apparently the capability is there. Then the question arises --- why aren't we doing anything?! I personally think that our leaders are so indebted to the US (cash, kids studying there, etc.), that they are too scared to raise the heat in Afghanistan. This includes some Generals and almost all politicians.

We have lost our aggression and audacity. You may recall the 2008 bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul that killed Brig. Mehta (India's Defense Attache to Afghanistan) and many others. It was never proven that the ISI did it --- though a joint CIA/RAM/RAW analysis even blamed a cover MI unit.

 

[Areesh]

Precisely. I spoke with some people over the past day or two and apparently the capability is there. Then the question arises --- why aren't we doing anything?! I personally think that our leaders are so indebted to the US (cash, kids studying there, etc.), that they are too scared to raise the heat in Afghanistan. This includes some Generals and almost all politicians.

We have lost our aggression and audacity. You may recall the 2008 bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul that killed Brig. Mehta (India's Defense Attache to Afghanistan) and many others. It was never proven that the ISI did it --- though a joint CIA/RAM/RAW analysis even blamed a cover MI unit.

This happens when you don't care about own dead. If you care about your own dead then obviously you would do something about it other than condemning it. Agree totally with your post. The worst part is that even the opposition like IK is not playing its part to fore government or establishment into doing something or answering terror with response in Afghanistan. The only goal of IK seems to be to somehow remove NS.

Seriously speaking we have very little hope left.

 

[ManavKalia]

Just to keep the issue alive in UN and international arena. Anyone knows that UN can't do crap about Kashmir or any other conflict which don't involve US and its objectives

Hmm yep I agree

 

[-xXx-]

i have a short story to tell.

there was a tailor searching something under the street light.
a person came near him and ask.

person : what are you searching?

tailor : i lost my needle?

person : are you sure you going to get that?

tailor : i have high hopes.

person : where did you lost that ?

tailor : AT MY HOME !

person : then why are searching here ?

tailor : because its bright here due to street light and there is dark in my house.

That's sums up very well.

@Syed.Ali.Haider may like the short story.

 

[Mansoon]

They can only guard the country the way its meant to by removing likes of NS,Zardari,Diesel,Chakzai,Mota Gainda,Easy Load guys and their stooges and list goes on. And if they do so the same forum wud be full of hues and cries for "Jamhooriat pau Hamla". When almost all politicians, Judiciary, Media have agreed not to agree with Army then howcome U can blame them for that? They have bled the most for us and we still have the audacity to question them, blame them, ridicule them whenever we want to. Do U want them to bring on another martial law as this is the only way right now they can freely function the way they want to as like U said no party is left who can lead us, let alone PTI? But just like Musharraf they wud be compelled to seek a political ally who ll play havoc with the whole country. Tell U what no one else except we the stupid baboons aka NATION is responsible for our these miseries. We keep on supporting known criminals and when we our selves get harmed then we start looking towards Army. Unfortunately we are a "MOB" called Nation who can easily be steered to any side anyone wants to. So its time we start asking our own selves and hold first ourselves accountable before pointing finger at anyone else.

What I don't understand is how a public protest would bring about Marshal Law?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Completely agreed. Make the enemy feel that you are not secure and safe in Afghanistan. Only then we would feel secure in Pakistan. Till we continue to act like sissies nothing would change.

Pakistan can't be taken seriously in the world when it has attacks like Quetta in every few months. Or economy no matter what would remain stagnant. CPEC would fail with attacks like Quetta. We would be going no where.

So if you are a nuclear power with sixth or seventh largest standing army then stop acting like a high school kid who is whining after getting bullied by a bully.

It boils down to the fact that Pakistan has lost it's ruthlessness, aggressiveness and daring. We have become too soft. On top of that we are led by politicians who are cowards and traitors. The combination has been very damaging for us. We need to regain our viciousness and hardness. Once this is done, we'll get somewhere again.