STOP AHMEDI BASHING

[Pakistanisage]

I am sick and tired of all this Ahmedi Bashing on PDF.

We Pakistanis are surrounded by Terrorism on a daily basis which emanates from our inherent lack of tolerance and yet we have not learnt any lessons.

I for one want to let my Pakistani and Global Ahmedi community know that I stand shoulder to shoulder with them to protect their lives , liberty and property and fight any that threaten time.

@Jaanbaz , @Pakistani Exile and other Ahmedis , I am a Sunni Muslim and I may not share your religious beliefs but I respect your right to choose your Faith and stand by you to protect your God Given Rights.

 

[livingdead]

@Pakistanisage .. do you support their right to proselytize?

 

[Pakistanisage]

@Pakistanisage .. do you support their right to proselytize?

They should be free to do what they want to do.

If Christian Priests can Proselytize in Pakistan, why not others ?

 

[Awesome]

I am sick and tired of all this Ahmedi Bashing on PDF.

We Pakistanis are surrounded by Terrorism on a daily basis which emanates from our inherent lack of tolerance and yet we have not learnt any lessons.

I for one want to let my Pakistani and Global Ahmedi community know that I stand shoulder to shoulder with them to protect their lives , liberty and property and fight any that threaten time.

@Jaanbaz , @Pakistani Exile and other Ahmedis , I am a Sunni Muslim and I may not share your religious beliefs but I respect your right to choose your Faith and stand by you to protect your God Given Rights.

If this thread is about PDF, please raise it in GHQ and we can check out where this Ahmedi Bashing is taking place. If its in general then let's talk with some specificity.

 

[Pakistanisage]

If this thread is about PDF, please raise it in GHQ and we can check out where this Ahmedi Bashing is taking place. If its in general then let's talk with some specificity.

I am talking about various threads that demean and vilify this community on PDF as well as other Pakistani Forums.

I for one find Ahmedi people better Muslims and better Pakistanis than most of us who claim to be Pakistani Muslims.

They are pious, support their communities generously and have been Patriotic Pakistanis.

We give more respect to those Taliban Scum Bags from Fata who want to blow up our little children than we give to these people who do not attack us.

The only Pakistani Nobel Laureate was a Ahmedi and inspite of the insults we hurled on him, insisted to be buried in Pakistan.

We as a Nation and as a people have NO SHAME AND HONOUR.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

I am sick and tired of all this Ahmedi Bashing on PDF.

We Pakistanis are surrounded by Terrorism on a daily basis which emanates from our inherent lack of tolerance and yet we have not learnt any lessons.

I for one want to let my Pakistani and Global Ahmedi community know that I stand shoulder to shoulder with them to protect their lives , liberty and property and fight any that threaten time.

@Jaanbaz , @Pakistani Exile and other Ahmedis , I am a Sunni Muslim and I may not share your religious beliefs but I respect your right to choose your Faith and stand by you to protect your God Given Rights.

The day when Qadianis stop insisting on calling themselves Muslim and stop unlawful activities of promoting and preaching their faith in Pakistan, no one will be bashing them. They are a minority like others and they have to abide by the law of land, court decisions etc. According to law Qadianis are not allowed to call themselves Muslim and/or allowed to use islamic terminologies like calling their places of worship as Mosques. What the hell is wrong with these people? Why do they insist on breaking the law?

They as a minority have their rights within the boundaries and no one is allowed to impose his own theology upon 98% Muslim Pakistanis.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

No offense to anyone - but thank God Pakistan is NOT Saudi Arabia

They should be free to do what they want to do.

If Christian Priests can Proselytize in Pakistan, why not others ?

Repeating thrice does not make your point 3 times more valid.
Anyway do you really believe 0.5% of the population can impose their theology over 98% people? Bordering on paranoia if I may say.

The day when Qadianis stop insisting on calling themselves Muslim and stop unlawful activities of promoting and preaching their faith in Pakistan, no one will be bashing them. They are a minority like others and they have to abide by the law of land, court decisions etc. According to law Qadianis are not allowed to call themselves Muslim and/or allowed to use islamic terminologies like calling their places of worship as Mosques. What the hell is wrong with these people? Why do they insist on breaking the law?

They as a minority have their rights within the boundaries and no one is allowed to impose his own theology upon 98% Muslim Pakistanis.



The day when Qadianis stop insisting on calling themselves Muslim and stop unlawful activities of promoting and preaching their faith in Pakistan, no one will be bashing them. They are a minority like others and they have to abide by the law of land, court decisions etc. According to law Qadianis are not allowed to call themselves Muslim and/or allowed to use islamic terminologies like calling their places of worship as Mosques. What the hell is wrong with these people? Why do they insist on breaking the law?

They as a minority have their rights within the boundaries and no one is allowed to impose his own theology upon 98% Muslim Pakistanis.



The day when Qadianis stop insisting on calling themselves Muslim and stop unlawful activities of promoting and preaching their faith in Pakistan, no one will be bashing them. They are a minority like others and they have to abide by the law of land, court decisions etc. According to law Qadianis are not allowed to call themselves Muslim and/or allowed to use islamic terminologies like calling their places of worship as Mosques. What the hell is wrong with these people? Why do they insist on breaking the law?

They as a minority have their rights within the boundaries and no one is allowed to impose his own theology upon 98% Muslim Pakistanis.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

No offense to anyone - but thank God Pakistan is NOT Saudi Arabia

Repeating thrice does not make your point 3 times more valid.
Anyway do you really believe 0.5% of the population can impose their theology over 98% people? Bordering on paranoia if I may say.

Problem with browser can happen any time? What do you say Mr. Paranoid??

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You quoted the wrong person. You should quote yourself. I will consider this another 'browser error'

Problem with browser can happen any time? What do you say Mr. Paranoid??

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

You quoted the wrong person. You should quote yourself. I will consider this another 'browser error'

I dont even like an Indian commenting about internal issue of Pakistan. Mind your own business and allow Muslims to slaughter cow all across India as per their wish. Allow Christian missionaries to preach wherever they want.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Don't run away. My presence is relevant because...

1. Muslims in India also indulge in Ahmedi bashing.
2. Besides this movement began in India.
3. In any case this is categorized under 'World Affairs', so me being Indian does not count.
4. Slaughtering of cow is not an Islamic compulsion - lets not bring Islam into this. This is about intolerance. Not faith.
5. Christian missionaries are free to preach as long as they do so honestly without bribing poor people. This is as per the law.

I dont even like an Indian commenting about internal issue of Pakistan. Mind your own business and allow Muslims to slaughter cow all across India as per their wish. Allow Christian missionaries to preach wherever they want.

 

[Pakistanisage]

The day when Qadianis stop insisting on calling themselves Muslim and stop unlawful activities of promoting and preaching their faith in Pakistan, no one will be bashing them. They are a minority like others and they have to abide by the law of land, court decisions etc. According to law Qadianis are not allowed to call themselves Muslim and/or allowed to use islamic terminologies like calling their places of worship as Mosques. What the hell is wrong with these people? Why do they insist on breaking the law?

They as a minority have their rights within the boundaries and no one is allowed to impose his own theology upon 98% Muslim Pakistanis.

And that is the point I am raising , Sir. Their rights as a recognized minority under Pakistan's Constitution are constantly violated.

If the Security Services fail to protect the Ahmedi Worshippers from being slaughtered in their Mosques and they are constantly harassed every where they go in Pakistan, then how can we claim that they have their rights.

Just imagine going to your bank or any government department to get some basic Services and your documentation declares you as a Qadiani ( Ahmedi ), do you think they are treated just like everyone else.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

Don't run away. My presence is relevant because...

1. Muslims in India also indulge in Ahmedi bashing.
2. Besides this movement began in India.
3. In any case this is categorized under 'World Affairs', so me being Indian does not count.
4. Slaughtering of cow is not an Islamic compulsion - lets not bring Islam into this. This is about intolerance. Not faith.
5. Christian missionaries are free to preach as long as they do so honestly without bribing poor people. This is as per the law.

Cow slaughtering is Intolerance on whose part? Hindus? Muslims?
Who are you to decide that missionaries convert people by bribing only? How about your country men treatment of low casts?
So if something is wrong in India it is as per law? Do you feel Pakistani law has no value?
Who are you to decide about the internal matters of Muslim faith? If Indian muslims also bash Qadianis then there must be something wrong na? Have you ever seen muslims interfering in hindu religions matters? Have you ever seen muslims arguing whether Sikhs are part of Hinduism or not?

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

And that is the point I am raising , Sir. Their rights as a recognized minority under Pakistan's Constitution are constantly violated.

If the Security Services fail to protect the Ahmedi Worshippers from being slaughtered in their Mosques and they are constantly harassed every where they go in Pakistan, then how can we claim that they have their rights.

Just imagine going to your bank or any government department to get some basic Services and your documentation declares you as a Qadiani ( Ahmedi ), do you think they are treated just like everyone else.

Pakistan in general is facing terrorism for the last 13 years or so. Compare the figures of Muslims killed in attacks on mosques and then see the figures of attack on Qadianis places of worship. So this argument of yours is wrong.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Please answer according to the points. It helps me to answer them
1. Cow slaughtering is Intolerance on whose part? Hindus? Muslims? - Cows hate it.
2. Who are you to decide that missionaries convert people by bribing only? - I don't. The police does. There are a few cases from time to time. It is documented. Faith by free will is allowed. Not coercion.
3. How about your country men treatment of low casts? - I think you meant castes. Traditionally there is considerable friction between castes. Especially in Bihar, UP and some parts of Rajasthan and parts of Tamil Nadu. But the person who drafted our constitution is from 'so called low caste'. We recognize it as evil and are working to remove it.
4. So if something is wrong in India it is as per law? - Depends how you interpret it.
5. Do you feel Pakistani law has no value? - Certainly not. That is for you to decide. But what is legal may not be right.
6. Who are you to decide about the internal matters of Muslim faith? - None. How can I decide? I am just here to discuss.
7. If Indian muslims also bash Qadianis then there must be something wrong na? - Sure there is.
8. Have you ever seen muslims interfering in hindu religions matters? - Yes.
9. Have you ever seen muslims arguing whether Sikhs are part of Hinduism or not? - Yes. As long as a discussion and debate is based on rationale, I am good