State Duma chief suggests trying US for WWII nuke attacks

[gambit]

I didn't see it, but I did see the Chinese Korean war graves, the Vietnamese war graves(Vietnamese ones), and I watched on the news the Iraqi, Afganistan and Pakistani graves.

If the dead could talk, would these guys like the US and better than the dead Germans with the Soviets?


Now obviously, America is better in terms of living condition, but the argument was evil empire and your reasons were as follows.

Exported Violence, check

exported ideology without moral restraint, if communism were to be actually implemented, or good social policies it's suppose to be pretty good. North Korea at one point was head and shoulders above the South and China in terms of living condition.

While America exported Democracy, the result have been more or less the same. The only difference is you see communism as evil and not democracy.

But just like the no huddle offence of Manning, it doesn't suck, but only Manning can do it. I in no way support communism because it cannot ever work on earth, but if it could it's great.


Poverty follows the Soviet, here's the big difference, US is rich, Soviet is not, but in terms of being followed by poverty to other countries, America is about as hot a girl as the Soviets, if poverty's a stalker.



Again, what the US or Soviet does is none of my business, but at least be somewhat objective. So you seen some graves, Go to the graves of the ones killed by the US and see if you feel the same way.

When those East Germans or Cubans or whoever during the Cold War sought passage to and eventual asylum in the West, they do not do so because of the potential for better living conditions, although if such a gross disparity is known, it would factor into the decision to make such a drastic move -- or not.

The most famous Cold War defector that made public his ordeal, before and after defection, is Viktor Belenko...

Mig Pilot: The Final Escape of Lt. Belenko: John Barron: 9780380538683: Amazon.com: Books

I doubt if you can find a copy of 'Mig Pilot' in mainland China. Despite the yrs passed, the points made in that book are still relevant to the Chinese government. I could be wrong so please prove me wrong by purchasing that book and actually read it.

Another military defector that made public his journey is (pseudonym) Viktor Suvorov...

Inside the Aquarium: Making of a Top Soviet Spy: Viktor Suvorov: 9780425094747: Amazon.com: Books

Suvorov was in the GRU and worked closely with the KGB. I have all of his books detailing GRU/KGB operations in the West. Not every operations, but about the reasons and motivations behind them.

The reasons I chose military men is because they represent the perfect contrast between 'the good guys', which are us in the West, and 'the bad guys', which are -- you guys that so wholeheartedly embraced Marxism and how the Soviet ran things, which usually is to the ground of every society in terms of what make a humane and free society. Under communism, which was the political expression of FORCED Marxism, a killer is worth more than a healer. Belenko and Suvorov were killers by profession and they were vastly paid more than most doctors in communist countries they knew. Belenko was shocked that in the US, a general practitioner doctor, not a specialist like surgeon or oncologist, were paid more than a wing commander.

On the civilian side...An excellent example is for the duration of the Cold War, the highest prize for literature IN YOUR CHINA is: The Stalin Prize for Literature. Thousands of yrs of Chinese literature went down the drain, as ordered by Mao, to be replaced with what the Russians considered to be intellectually appropriate for Chinese minds and culture. Were there any freedom then for the Chinese to chose which standards of intellectual and cultural criteria upon which to measure their own intellectual and cultural accomplishments ? Can you find the graves of Chinese intellectuals who either committed suicide or executed by the Chinese communists because they refused to submit ?

History have ALREADY shown that your China was on the wrong side of humanity during the Cold War -- the evil side. Your Mao took all of China to the Dark Side of the humanity spectrum. Any graves that came from the conflicts between the West and your 'evil empire' rests on your Mao's and Stalin's shoulders.

 

[senheiser]

The Great Tokyo Fire , a result of the March 9-10 , 1945 carpet bombing had resulted in over 100,000 deaths in a single strike. This does not count the thousands that were killed from American bombings from 1942 onward till the end of the war. All in all, we're looking at over half a million Japanese civilian deaths in around Tokyo.

The Americans even dared to target the Imperial Palace, in an attempt to hurt His Imperial Majesty the Showa Emperor. Luckily for us that His Imperial Majesty was protected by bomb shelters.

If The Emperor had been injured...

i heard the emperor is like christ to japanese, here is an interesting docu you should see

 

[Genesis]

When those East Germans or Cubans or whoever during the Cold War sought passage to and eventual asylum in the West, they do not do so because of the potential for better living conditions, although if such a gross disparity is known, it would factor into the decision to make such a drastic move -- or not.

The most famous Cold War defector that made public his ordeal, before and after defection, is Viktor Belenko...

Mig Pilot: The Final Escape of Lt. Belenko: John Barron: 9780380538683: Amazon.com: Books

I doubt if you can find a copy of 'Mig Pilot' in mainland China. Despite the yrs passed, the points made in that book are still relevant to the Chinese government. I could be wrong so please prove me wrong by purchasing that book and actually read it.


Another military defector that made public his journey is (pseudonym) Viktor Suvorov...

Inside the Aquarium: Making of a Top Soviet Spy: Viktor Suvorov: 9780425094747: Amazon.com: Books

Suvorov was in the GRU and worked closely with the KGB. I have all of his books detailing GRU/KGB operations in the West. Not every operations, but about the reasons and motivations behind them.

I don't think that was translated in Chinese, before you say we censored, Taiwan didn't do so either. Must not be too popular, or something.

But in terms of coverage.

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It's huge, there's pages of web sites on Soviet defectors. You can understand, there's just no market for Western books other than the real classics, cause books are more about culture, and if you don't have that background, it's not going to be that appealing to you.

There is censorship in China, but don't just assume Chinese leaders fear everything, we are not the best of the Developing world for nothing. That accomplishment alone places their place far and above any other "democratic" third world shit hole.

The reasons I chose military men is because they represent the perfect contrast between 'the good guys', which are us in the West, and 'the bad guys', which are -- you guys that so wholeheartedly embraced Marxism and how the Soviet ran things, which usually is to the ground of every society in terms of what make a humane and free society. Under communism, which was the political expression of FORCED Marxism, a killer is worth more than a healer. Belenko and Suvorov were killers by profession and they were vastly paid more than most doctors in communist countries they knew. Belenko was shocked that in the US, a general practitioner doctor, not a specialist like surgeon or oncologist, were paid more than a wing commander.

Except for the brief period of cultural revolution, Chinese scientists, doctors, and professors, were paid 200 dollars more or less, to compare, a worker earns 20 dollars, a soldier a few dollars, if that.

On the civilian side...An excellent example is for the duration of the Cold War, the highest prize for literature IN YOUR CHINA is: The Stalin Prize for Literature. Thousands of yrs of Chinese literature went down the drain, as ordered by Mao, to be replaced with what the Russians considered to be intellectually appropriate for Chinese minds and culture. Were there any freedom then for the Chinese to chose which standards of intellectual and cultural criteria upon which to measure their own intellectual and cultural accomplishments ? Can you find the graves of Chinese intellectuals who either committed suicide or executed by the Chinese communists because they refused to submit ?

I can understand you are older, so you would see China as it was, not as it is now, that's understandable. I like to look at China today and the future.

If you were to look at the present, you can find a million things wrong with it, if you were to do so for the past, there be billions.

But the future and present is where we will look, we can't change the past, but we will and have changed the present, we have changed our people's fortunes within a generation. A case is to be made it never should have came to that, but it did, and I won't say we are the only ones, but it's not a tyler perry movie.

As to Russia, I can tell you Mao not only didn't trust Russia, he also didn't like them much. The Sino Soviet split was not an accident.

History have ALREADY shown that your China was on the wrong side of humanity during the Cold War -- the evil side. Your Mao took all of China to the Dark Side of the humanity spectrum. Any graves that came from the conflicts between the West and your 'evil empire' rests on your Mao's and Stalin's shoulders.

What about the graves from the dictators that Americans installed? IS that on us as well?

We each have ti bear our own responsibilities, blaming us for what you did is.....

America is also on the wrong side of humanity in terms of better dead than red wars, and against African Americans, and racism in general.

However, I'm not here to play the blame game, it's lame and stupid, what I'm simply arguing here is the Soviet's foreign policy wasn't so much worse than America's, if at all.

 

[Superboy]

They need to give back Kurils and Sakhalin , too.

If win war then you can have it back. It's your problem for not settling Sakhalin for thousands of years when it's right off Hokkaido. You don't get anything back any other way, not even the uninhabited Habomai rocks.

Sakhalin Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Aepsilons]

i heard the emperor is like christ to japanese, here is an interesting docu you should see

The Emperor has a religious role, in Japanese Shintoism. He is not a "Christ" per se, but his role is similar , equivalent to Rome's Pontifex Maximus. The Emperor Is he Chief Priest in Shintoism, and legend says that His Imperial Lineage is descendent of the Sun Godess, The Omikami Amaterasu .

 

[gambit]

I don't think that was translated in Chinese, before you say we censored, Taiwan didn't do so either. Must not be too popular, or something.

Your English is good enough to read the book, if you can buy the English version.

I was 13 yrs old when Belenko defected to the West with the MIG-25. The book came out after I joined the USAF and it made a lasting ideological impression on me. I highly recommend it as Belenko was very honest about himself throughout his adventure.

As a side note, many yrs later I have a chance to see the technical data and analyses of the MIG-25, which as far as I know are still not in the public domain. Conclusion: The Foxbat is a major piece of shit, worse than the gunless F-4.

I can understand you are older, so you would see China as it was, not as it is now, that's understandable. I like to look at China today and the future.

If you were to look at the present, you can find a million things wrong with it, if you were to do so for the past, there be billions.

But the future and present is where we will look, we can't change the past, but we will and have changed the present, we have changed our people's fortunes within a generation. A case is to be made it never should have came to that, but it did, and I won't say we are the only ones, but it's not a tyler perry movie.

As to Russia, I can tell you Mao not only didn't trust Russia, he also didn't like them much. The Sino Soviet split was not an accident.



What about the graves from the dictators that Americans installed? IS that on us as well?

We each have ti bear our own responsibilities, blaming us for what you did is.....

America is also on the wrong side of humanity in terms of better dead than red wars, and against African Americans, and racism in general.

However, I'm not here to play the blame game, it's lame and stupid, what I'm simply arguing here is the Soviet's foreign policy wasn't so much worse than America's, if at all.

For the highlighted -- yes.

This is not about foreign affairs or who 'installed' how many despots in the great geopolitical brinkmanship during the Cold War. For the democratic countries, when they perceive their survival are at stake, we will ally ourselves with independent minded dictators if necessary.

But from reading many sources about the Vietnam War, including the infamous Pentagon Papers that everyone thought would indict the US but actually proved the US correct on many things, if China had stayed out of Viet Nam, the Vietnam War would never happened. So yes, I am no different than those who conducted forensics on major historical events either in professional or personal capacity. A lot of Vietnamese died from US war policies but based upon forensic evidences, China was the initial mover for the war. Without China, Indochina would have been on an independent path after WW II.

If you think I am off base, then take it from Lee Kuan Yew...

http://www.amazon.com/From-Third-World-First-Singapore/dp/0060197765

Chapter 37

Deng Xiaoping's China

The Malaysians must be suspicious of Deng. There were underlying suspicions and animosity between Malay Muslims and Chinese in Malaysia, and between Indonesians and their ethnic Chinese. Because China was exporting revolution to Southeast Asia, my Asean neighbors wanted Singapore to rally with them, not against the Soviet Union, but against China.

Asean governments regarded radio broadcasts from China appealing directly to their ethnic Chinese as dangerous subversion. Deng listented silently. He had never seen it this light: China, a big foreign power, going over the governments of the region to subvert their citizens. I said it was most unlikely that Asean countries would respond positively to his proposal for a united front against the Soviet Union and Vietnam and suggested that we discuss on how to resolve this problem. Then I paused.

Deng's expression and body language registered consternation. He knew that I had spoken the truth. Abruptly, he asked, "What do you want me to do?" I was astonished. I had never met a communist leader who was prepared to depart from his brief when confronted with reality, much less ask what I wanted him to do. I had expected him to brush my points aside as Premier Hua Guofeng had done in Beijing in 1976 when I pressed him over the inconsistency of China's supporting the Malayan Communist Party to foment revolution in Singapore, not Malaya. Hua had answered with bluster, "I do not know the details, but whenever communists fight, they will win." Not Deng. He realized that he had to face up to this problem if Vietnam was to be isolated. I hesitated to tell this seasoned, weather-beaten revolutionary what he should do, but since he had asked me, I said, "Stop such radio broadcasts; stop such appeals. It will be better for the ethnic Chinese in Asean if China does not underline their kinship and call upon their ethnic sympathy. The suspicion of the indigenous peoples will always be there, whether or not China emphasizes these blood ties. But if China appeals to these blood ties so blatantly, it must increase their suspicions, China must stop radio broadcasts from south China by the Malayan and Indonesian Communist Parties.

Your China, during the Cold War, tried to export communism throughout Asia and did it in the ugliest vehicle: racism. As highlighted above.

For speculation's sake...What if Malaysia and Indonesia went into civil wars because enough Chinese responded to China's racist calls ? Who should we blame those civil wars on ? US ? The Malays themselves ? It was a good thing that Deng wised up and stopped the program -- probably just in time. By the time of Lee's meeting with Deng, the whole world, or at least the relevant powers, knew of China's racist methods and troublemaking in Asia.

This is about the foundational ideology that builds and sustains a people. You mentioned that democratic countries have poverty. So what ? Under the democracy/capitalist combination, poverty is an option while under the Marxist/communist combination, poverty is assured. Look at Japan, South Korea, and Western Europe before you take glee at the Philippines and India.

So yes, forensic examinations of major historical events are very much blame games, my friend.