Sri Lanka demands War Crimes against India’s IPKF

[lankan]

Do you know, what is guts??? you idiots dont have anyright to talk cowardness of others.. You are the worst cowards, the world has ever seen...

Are you insane??? we are happy to be secular, why we have to carve a nation from India???... If we kept srilanka out, then there is no problem as a Tamil to discuss here...

you really dont know what cowardice means...

the fun's just begun, where u going.?

Civilians caught in Sri Lanka's 'clean war'


COLOMBO - Fighting between government troops and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) intensified in northern Sri Lanka this week, displacing thousands more civilians and prompting the government to order all non-governmental organizations to vacate the besieged rebel stronghold of Vanni.

According to reports on Wednesday, government fighter jets pounded the LTTE command center inside the rebel-held Kilinochchi region and carried out at least four other bombing raids in retaliation for the LTTE's pre-dawn attack on Tuesday that devastated a key military complex and left 25 people dead.

In recent weeks there has been intense media focus on the offensive, with different versions of the battle and the gains. On Monday, official state reports claimed that the Sri Lankan army had surrounded the headquarters of Velupillai Prabhakaran, the LTTE's reclusive leader. But, as reported by Inter Press Service and rebel Internet sites such as Lankawin.com and TamilNet.com, there is a different picture of the conflict. Independent reports are hard to come by.

What is clear is that offensives since April-May have displaced tens of thousands of civilians. Amnesty International (AI), in an August 19 statement, said the Sri Lankan military and the LTTE place thousands of civilian lives at risk with each day the fighting continues. According to AI, there is no safe haven for the families trying to escape the shelling by Sri Lankan forces as they push towards Kilinochchi.

Fleeing humanity
The Sri Lankan army's alleged tactic of forcibly displacing Tamil civilians by firing heavy artillery and aerial bombs has generated a mass of fleeing humanity with many sheltering under trees and in the Wanni's jungles. The LTTE's order to stay put and offer "resistance" to the advancing army has left civilians facing certain death.

Still, the Sri Lankan state is hardly a paragon of virtue. With the objective of luring Tamil civilians into "cleared areas" (territory retaken from LTTE control by the state), the government is setting up reception centers in Vavuniya district. These camps are strictly policed and offer very limited freedom of mobility for inmates. Since civilian escapees from Wanni are all suspected of loyalties to the LTTE, the camps are subject to screening and "weeding out" operations by security forces. One informed international aid official likened them to Nazi concentration camps.

While the plight of civilians in the north has been receiving attention due to the statements of the United Nations, a grinding low-intensity campaign against civilians rages on in the east. Since the districts of Trincomalee, Batticaloa and Amparai were "cleared" by the Sri Lankan army in the past two years, harassment of civilians has increased. The more the army is in control of an area, the less secure it feels about its newly conquered terrain.

In one instance, the farming village of Ichalampattu in Trincomalee district is now surrounded by army posts and its residents face unimaginable hurdles to liberty and livelihood. The ramping up of military installations and infrastructure across eastern Sri Lanka evokes mortal fear among Tamil civilians, whose lives have been shattered by intimidation, extortion, torture and disappearances. The guns and personnel carriers that have been inserted into the area are protecting the army and its affiliates from a resurgence of the LTTE, rather than enhancing a sense of safety for locals.

Promises and provincial councils
A new feature on the political landscape of eastern Sri Lanka - after it was "cleared" by the army - is the creation of a new layer of government through elections to provincial councils.

A leader of the state-abetted breakaway faction of the LTTE, the Tamil Makkal Viduthalai Pulihal (TMVP), is in the saddle of the provincial chief minister's office. The council mechanism is being trumpeted by the Sri Lankan state as the first step towards the devolution of power for the Tamil-speaking people. At a recent South Asian summit in Colombo, Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa publicly "promised" India that he was intent on carrying the council experiment forward and implementing the constitution's 13th amendment provisions for autonomy of the North and East.

Actual happenings on the ground in the East, however, leave little doubt that the councils have boomeranged on their supposed beneficiaries. While greater self-governance to Tamil-speaking people in the North and East is theoretically the only solution to Sri Lanka's 25-year-long internal war, its implementation is a sham beneath which the deep-rooted anxieties of the state vis-a-vis ethnic minorities limit the scope of devolution.

A crucial example of the mistrust that the state holds towards allowing Tamil-speaking people a chance to run their own affairs is the lame-duck condition of the new chief minister's office in the East. It has been saddled with five ministries, but the Sri Lankan army still calls most of the shots in administration. The victory of the TMVP in the provincial council elections in May this year was tainted by gross irregularities committed with the army's assistance. The moniker of "puppet" is permanently associated with the TMVP in the eyes of ordinary Tamil people, making a mockery of genuine autonomy.

The TMVP's "warlordism", wherein Trincomalee, Batticaloa and Amparai are carved up among commanders for exploitation and abuse of civilians, has added dread to people's minds. Sexual violence against Tamil women by the TMVP's cadres is a new dimension to the scarred memories of local people. As if the LTTE's abductions of children for conscription were not sufficient, the TMVP is manipulating its state-designated legitimacy to carry out its own forcible enlistment of civilians with impunity. The TMVP hails from the same militaristic tradition as the LTTE and is proving no better in assuring an accountable and humane government.

Veil of propaganda
While the realities in the North and East augur badly for civilians, a surreal veil of propaganda has enveloped coverage of the war in the Sinhalese South. State persecution of media personnel, peace activists and academics has reached alarming proportions in order to preserve a sanitized picture of events in the North and East.

A fist-pumping Sinhalese chauvinist narrative is monopolizing news space and airwaves. According to press coverage, Tamil civilians are happy to be rid of the LTTE's terror and are appreciating the provincial councils' work. The war in the North is being presented as a march of endless victories for the brave soldiers who are said to be annihilating the LTTE forever.

State propagandists like the head of the Peace Secretariat, Rajiva Wijesinghe, have launched a drive to convince the Sinhalese public that the army is conducting a "clean war" with maximum deference to the rights of Tamil civilians. Claims of successful separation of enemy combatants from non-combatants, as the army penetrates the Wanni, are "laughable" to eyewitnesses.

Yet, the Rajapaksa government has managed to muster a Sinhalese consensus that the war must be "fought to the finish" and that the LTTE will be "wiped out" before the end of the year. As long as the lid on war weariness among the Sinhalese people is tightly maintained, the state has the political license to pursue military solutions.

Internationally, the Rajapaksa government has realigned with forces that are less bothered by the human costs of war. It is a remarkable sight in Colombo to behold giant billboards of Rajapaksa shaking hands with the Chinese President Hu Jintao, Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad and Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani. Rajapaksa's "devil may care" defiance of international calls for political solutions is a product of the presence of these sympathetic leaders whose military and diplomatic backing has enabled the army to outgun the LTTE.

As the experience of the East illustrates, a possible final defeat of the LTTE in the North is unlikely to bring a peace dividend as long as institutional biases persist in the Sri Lankan polity. International actors, who calculate narrow self-interests and chant the sovereignty mantra to give the Rajapaksa government a blank check, bear partial responsibility for the unfolding catastrophe.

The policy of the regional superpower, India, remains largely motivated by the need to counter China's strategic encroachments in Sri Lanka. New Delhi is afraid that its advocacy for civilian rights in the North and East will drive Colombo deeper into Beijing's embrace. Like India's mealy-mouthed policy towards restoring democracy in Myanmar, its compromised attitude towards Sri Lanka's deadly war is compounding a human tragedy that shows no end in sight.

Here someome brings asia times as the proof...btwn what is in there i bet nothing new..

the fun's just begun, where u going.?

Civilians caught in Sri Lanka's 'clean war'


COLOMBO - Fighting between government troops and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) intensified in northern Sri Lanka this week, displacing thousands more civilians and prompting the government to order all non-governmental organizations to vacate the besieged rebel stronghold of Vanni.

According to reports on Wednesday, government fighter jets pounded the LTTE command center inside the rebel-held Kilinochchi region and carried out at least four other bombing raids in retaliation for the LTTE's pre-dawn attack on Tuesday that devastated a key military complex and left 25 people dead.

In recent weeks there has been intense media focus on the offensive, with different versions of the battle and the gains. On Monday, official state reports claimed that the Sri Lankan army had surrounded the headquarters of Velupillai Prabhakaran, the LTTE's reclusive leader. But, as reported by Inter Press Service and rebel Internet sites such as Lankawin.com and TamilNet.com, there is a different picture of the conflict. Independent reports are hard to come by.

What is clear is that offensives since April-May have displaced tens of thousands of civilians. Amnesty International (AI), in an August 19 statement, said the Sri Lankan military and the LTTE place thousands of civilian lives at risk with each day the fighting continues. According to AI, there is no safe haven for the families trying to escape the shelling by Sri Lankan forces as they push towards Kilinochchi.

Fleeing humanity
The Sri Lankan army's alleged tactic of forcibly displacing Tamil civilians by firing heavy artillery and aerial bombs has generated a mass of fleeing humanity with many sheltering under trees and in the Wanni's jungles. The LTTE's order to stay put and offer "resistance" to the advancing army has left civilians facing certain death.

Still, the Sri Lankan state is hardly a paragon of virtue. With the objective of luring Tamil civilians into "cleared areas" (territory retaken from LTTE control by the state), the government is setting up reception centers in Vavuniya district. These camps are strictly policed and offer very limited freedom of mobility for inmates. Since civilian escapees from Wanni are all suspected of loyalties to the LTTE, the camps are subject to screening and "weeding out" operations by security forces. One informed international aid official likened them to Nazi concentration camps.

While the plight of civilians in the north has been receiving attention due to the statements of the United Nations, a grinding low-intensity campaign against civilians rages on in the east. Since the districts of Trincomalee, Batticaloa and Amparai were "cleared" by the Sri Lankan army in the past two years, harassment of civilians has increased. The more the army is in control of an area, the less secure it feels about its newly conquered terrain.

In one instance, the farming village of Ichalampattu in Trincomalee district is now surrounded by army posts and its residents face unimaginable hurdles to liberty and livelihood. The ramping up of military installations and infrastructure across eastern Sri Lanka evokes mortal fear among Tamil civilians, whose lives have been shattered by intimidation, extortion, torture and disappearances. The guns and personnel carriers that have been inserted into the area are protecting the army and its affiliates from a resurgence of the LTTE, rather than enhancing a sense of safety for locals.

Promises and provincial councils
A new feature on the political landscape of eastern Sri Lanka - after it was "cleared" by the army - is the creation of a new layer of government through elections to provincial councils.

A leader of the state-abetted breakaway faction of the LTTE, the Tamil Makkal Viduthalai Pulihal (TMVP), is in the saddle of the provincial chief minister's office. The council mechanism is being trumpeted by the Sri Lankan state as the first step towards the devolution of power for the Tamil-speaking people. At a recent South Asian summit in Colombo, Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa publicly "promised" India that he was intent on carrying the council experiment forward and implementing the constitution's 13th amendment provisions for autonomy of the North and East.

Actual happenings on the ground in the East, however, leave little doubt that the councils have boomeranged on their supposed beneficiaries. While greater self-governance to Tamil-speaking people in the North and East is theoretically the only solution to Sri Lanka's 25-year-long internal war, its implementation is a sham beneath which the deep-rooted anxieties of the state vis-a-vis ethnic minorities limit the scope of devolution.

A crucial example of the mistrust that the state holds towards allowing Tamil-speaking people a chance to run their own affairs is the lame-duck condition of the new chief minister's office in the East. It has been saddled with five ministries, but the Sri Lankan army still calls most of the shots in administration. The victory of the TMVP in the provincial council elections in May this year was tainted by gross irregularities committed with the army's assistance. The moniker of "puppet" is permanently associated with the TMVP in the eyes of ordinary Tamil people, making a mockery of genuine autonomy.

The TMVP's "warlordism", wherein Trincomalee, Batticaloa and Amparai are carved up among commanders for exploitation and abuse of civilians, has added dread to people's minds. Sexual violence against Tamil women by the TMVP's cadres is a new dimension to the scarred memories of local people. As if the LTTE's abductions of children for conscription were not sufficient, the TMVP is manipulating its state-designated legitimacy to carry out its own forcible enlistment of civilians with impunity. The TMVP hails from the same militaristic tradition as the LTTE and is proving no better in assuring an accountable and humane government.

Veil of propaganda
While the realities in the North and East augur badly for civilians, a surreal veil of propaganda has enveloped coverage of the war in the Sinhalese South. State persecution of media personnel, peace activists and academics has reached alarming proportions in order to preserve a sanitized picture of events in the North and East.

A fist-pumping Sinhalese chauvinist narrative is monopolizing news space and airwaves. According to press coverage, Tamil civilians are happy to be rid of the LTTE's terror and are appreciating the provincial councils' work. The war in the North is being presented as a march of endless victories for the brave soldiers who are said to be annihilating the LTTE forever.

State propagandists like the head of the Peace Secretariat, Rajiva Wijesinghe, have launched a drive to convince the Sinhalese public that the army is conducting a "clean war" with maximum deference to the rights of Tamil civilians. Claims of successful separation of enemy combatants from non-combatants, as the army penetrates the Wanni, are "laughable" to eyewitnesses.

Yet, the Rajapaksa government has managed to muster a Sinhalese consensus that the war must be "fought to the finish" and that the LTTE will be "wiped out" before the end of the year. As long as the lid on war weariness among the Sinhalese people is tightly maintained, the state has the political license to pursue military solutions.

Internationally, the Rajapaksa government has realigned with forces that are less bothered by the human costs of war. It is a remarkable sight in Colombo to behold giant billboards of Rajapaksa shaking hands with the Chinese President Hu Jintao, Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad and Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani. Rajapaksa's "devil may care" defiance of international calls for political solutions is a product of the presence of these sympathetic leaders whose military and diplomatic backing has enabled the army to outgun the LTTE.

As the experience of the East illustrates, a possible final defeat of the LTTE in the North is unlikely to bring a peace dividend as long as institutional biases persist in the Sri Lankan polity. International actors, who calculate narrow self-interests and chant the sovereignty mantra to give the Rajapaksa government a blank check, bear partial responsibility for the unfolding catastrophe.

The policy of the regional superpower, India, remains largely motivated by the need to counter China's strategic encroachments in Sri Lanka. New Delhi is afraid that its advocacy for civilian rights in the North and East will drive Colombo deeper into Beijing's embrace. Like India's mealy-mouthed policy towards restoring democracy in Myanmar, its compromised attitude towards Sri Lanka's deadly war is compounding a human tragedy that shows no end in sight.

Here someome brings asia times as the proof...btwn what is in there i bet nothing new..

 

[Meengla]

SL has always been a fascinating country for me because of the lush landscape, the friendly people, and.. Adam's Peak. It is very sad to see that they lost so many decades of progress because of the civil war. Considering the small size and small population the loss to Sri Lanka is even more than what has happened to Pakistan since 2007.
I don't think SL should even try to get too cozy with the Chinese at the expense of Indians. The latter are SL's natural allies while the former are not only distant but also have their own interests as the foremost priority. Neighbors are always more important in the long run. I think, with the assassination of Rajev Gandhi, the Tamil 'cause' is as dead in India as it can get. That was the strategic, self-inflicted wound to the Tamils in SL. Time to focus on giving the SL Tamils equality, if not already given, and move on.

 

[lankan]

Weren't Pakistani, Chinese, Bangladeshi posters not enough that India is now targeted by Srilankan posters. Then they blame Indians for being hostile.

All want Indians to contribute logically even when they have to read posts mocking, disrespecting, vulgarity filled against our fellow countrymen and our country in every second post. Even senior members are indulged in it.

Thanks to all of you. Clearing doubts of Indians that we can have good neighbors even after Srilanka helped Pakistan in 1971 war (and don't expect pay back)

P.S. Don't say we did it first. Lame excuse.

err u started it first...stop acting the victim when u are the bully.

there goes the breavery of the SINGALESE, when you guys realize the heat of INDIA can tarnish you to the drain, you call us brothers.
we know what kind of drama queen you guys are.


new false flager from SL, now posting that INDIA has no problem when some one accuses IPKF as its disband, turning the heat away you SL breave hearts(my foot)

how can india tarnish SL to drain when u are finely occupied there?

 

[lankan]

your army rapes our women, bombs our elderly and you call us our brothers, and you think we are fools to take your word.
I know what you Shingalese are made of, soon the rest of my INDIAN brothers will know what you guys are.
We know that one day or the other you'll side with the CHINESE or the PAKISTANIS to spy on us or even try to destablize our nation. But that won't happen. When the rest of my country men understand the real plight of Tamils and their request, soon laks of Indra Gandhi and MGR's will come to aid new Prabakarans to liberate the Tamils from your brutal oppression.

really i didnt know SL army went to TN. We just defeated the terrorists. "your army rapes our women" oh my god i dont think our army men are that much retarded to f8ck a TN woman, i mean.....how can u do that with ur eyes open? The terrorists trained in ur patch of land did bomb my people in our streets we have every right to kill them and we did that. Learn to accept defeat like men, without crying like a school girl.
Really u know what we are made of? No you dont. We have tackled terrorism (JVP and LTTE) in two parts of our country simultaneously, we defeated a guerilla leader who was continously supported by a larger neighbouring country (i mean TN not whole india). and also managed to maintain the best HDI figures while facing a 30 year war. I dont know abt Heinz for me u re not a brother.

How can u ask me whether we will not help China and Pak to destabilize ur country when you have done the same to mine? But we are not u. we dont want to contribute to death and destruction even in a country that has hurt us most.

Banglore, I am happy that you atleast realized what I had been telling for a long time. SL and its Shingala population can not be trusted. They will back stab us not for aiding LTTE but they have a soft corner for PAKISTAN and this we should always remember that they were the ones who allowed PAKISTAN NAVY to horbour in their ports after which only we supported LTTE.
one day or the other when they find the right time they will be prepared to back stab us. This every INDIAN has to remember

it was india which backstabbed lanka

Banglore, I am happy that you atleast realized what I had been telling for a long time. SL and its Shingala population can not be trusted. They will back stab us not for aiding LTTE but they have a soft corner for PAKISTAN and this we should always remember that they were the ones who allowed PAKISTAN NAVY to horbour in their ports after which only we supported LTTE.
one day or the other when they find the right time they will be prepared to back stab us. This every INDIAN has to remember

it was india which backstabbed lanka

 

[lankan]

IPKF went in for a noble purpose - peace keeping and facilitate implementation of article 13(devolution of powers to provinces) and northern and eastern provinces mergers(subject to referendum) and making Tamil as one of the official languages.

Guess what? both LTTE and SL government stabbed the IPKF in the back while IPKF was forced to fight with reduced arms power to avoid collateral damage and lost 1200 and many more wounded.

And later LTTE killed Rajiv Gandhi which deprived India of a strong leader(who had a vision about the Indian strategy) and SL tamilians lost most of the outside moral support they had.

So now SL is trying to stab India once again in the back with war crimes demand. I wish Rajiv was alive. He would have ensured such nonsense will not happen. And he would have ensured that SL does not play the China card with India. (he would have done similar to what he did when SL played US card in Trincomalee)

And many might not agree to what I said above about Rajiv as they see him as a Congressi leader, others will think he went against LTTE(and blame him) and many others will continue to blame tamilians in TN and tamil politicians(though they are self-centered rogues) and are worried about Hambantotta.

But asaf in my mind, Rajiv's loss is huge for India as there are not many strong leaders at this moment in India and tamil movement lost the moral support and sympathy as well.

So much ignorance bt a lot of barking...

It is upto debate whetehr IPKF's motives were noble or not bt clearly their actions arent. Even the hardcore LTTE elements would not disagree with me on this.
The very aims (peace keeping and facilitate implementation of article 13(devolution of powers to provinces) and northern and eastern provinces mergers(subject to referendum) and making Tamil as one of the official languages.) mentioned by you were put into action by the SLG. It is the LTTE who objected to 13th amendment because that was not enough for them.

If anybody backstabbed IPKF it was the LTTE. The SLG was always keen on implementing the 13th amend and to maintain ceasefire. The LTTE wanted to start war with IPKF. IPKF or Ind gov initially thought LTTE was under their rule but soon they were proved wrong. Prabhakaran masterminded the suicide death of the prisoners. It was that lead to war between LTTE and IPKF.

However SLG were committed. IPKF was required to maintain peace in N&E because under the ILA Lankan army was confined to barracks. But IPKF failed in that task as they always let the LTTE go on with their kiling spree. LTTE murdererd 200 civilians during this 'peace' time. Army could do nothing as it was against the accord even to safe guard the people. But IPKF FAILED in the task. There fore the public didnt like IPKF presence (both tamil and sinhala). That is what ultimately lead the Premadasa gov to send back the IPKF to Ind. The indian gov were bending backwrds to the LTTE.

Even Rajiv Gandhi a prie minister of a state did wait for more than 2 hours until prabhakaran, a jungle bandit from a neighbouring country come for discussions.

Lanka did not backstab India. It was the LTTE who went on to publish report called Satan's army demonising IPKF and the TN politicians who boycotted the welcoming ceremoy of IPKF. Even during operations people like MGR in TN helped LTTE against IPKF. But the SLG went onto build a memorial for the dead in IPKF.

These are facts. I will give you sources if you want.


The death of RG just shows how vicious this LTTE is. It is upto Lanka to decide with whom we are going to have relationships with. You dont have to panic and cry. No body wants to hurt you.

"
I wish Rajiv was alive. He would have ensured such nonsense will not happen. And he would have ensured that SL does not play the China card with India. (he would have done similar to what he did when SL played US card in Trincomalee)"

this just show how ignorant u are on the subject, RG was not the PM during the time india armed the terrorists. It is dangerous with little knowledge. Hambanthota is a commercial port and being in the middle of sea lanes they are important to us. Nobody can question it.

If you think BJP and congress is different in their approach to SL, think again u idiot. It really is not. If you just spend more time to education than propaganda you may end up being able to actually make a right comment.

YOu know I never met a Sri Lankan who was tough. Every single one of them were pretty weak and soft like baby $hit.



Its not occupied it an Indian state. That's why it will never happen. We will gladly give visa to those who wish to remain with Pakistan and for those who want Independence, well then they can ask China for their 1/3. Again, for India to consider remotely solving this issue in Pakistani terms requires the Pandits to come back into Kashmir society and that will never happen. They saw the reality of an Independent Kashmir and you know what their answer? "NO THANKS!"

yeah we re soft on the weak hearted.

Remember Tamilians and Indians - nothing good will come out of your attempt to reason with Singalas...they are firmly in bed with Chinese and its that Chinese jizz that makes them speak such things. But as you all know geography cant be changed and soon they will learn their true place.

we dont envision chinese like u do most of the time. Between i know tamils and indians reason out well with each other with the whole IPKF episode.

HeinzG, the good gesture is nowhere to be seen from the Singalas. Sad but true. 13th Amendment hasn't been implemented, the war crimes have not been accounted for and the demographic deluge that is being done in the Northern Areas has not been stopped.

It takes two hands to clap.



Wow desist from ****-stirring please. Looks kinda lame.

he doesnt need a goodwill gesture here as theres no SL tamil here as far as i know). He didnt come for a reconciliation with you. you are an indian. did u forget that?13th amendment is in the process of being amended. without tamils abandoning the whole separatist issue it is difficult for a power devolution. It is pretty simple to understand i wish u could. there were no war crimes. and if tamils are not ready to abandon separatism and try to wage war against Sl, SL gov will try to change demo because only that will put a permanent halt to the seperatism. It is something any gov would do for its country.

If gov is to change ways, separatists too would need to change ways.

You have the comprehension ability of a house-fly.

Not that I am surprised having observed you here and elsewhere.



13th Amendment was meant to be implemented in North and East, not except North and East.

"Will be accounted for". That's gotto be the biggest "will" I've heard of.

The Tamils are in no number to create a demographic deluge of their own.

Wrong. 13th amendment has to be implemented in the whole island unless there is a constitution change. You people talk about SL things having no knowledge of it.

 

[lankan]

Now there is no LTTE..except in the delusions of paranoid Singalas.




Ofcouse...before that pigs may start sprouting wings.



The Singalas with the support of army and security agencies are in a position to do it, and they are doing it.



Yes ofcourse..there are a few million still alive. Way too generous for a Singala.

Tamil leaders existing ones reject it too. seriously you know nothing abt what u talk abt. Even if we are going for a devolution who are u to ask that? you are a f***ing foreigner.

Anyway quoting my own post.




It's criminal even trying to argue with them...

As if the rest here do put up an actual argument.

 

[lankan]

Operation Pawan was the codename assigned to the operations by the Indian Peace Keeping Force to take control of Jaffna from the LTTE in late 1987 to enforce the disarmament of the LTTE as a part of the Indo-Sri Lankan Accord. In brutal fighting that took about three weeks, the IPKF took control of the Jaffna Peninsula from the LTTE rule, something that the Sri Lankan army had then tried and failed to achieve for several years. Supported by Indian Army tanks, helicopter gunships and heavy artillery, the IPKF routed the LTTE. But this victory came at a price, as the IPKF lost around 214 soldiers.[11]

Premadasa government support
President Premadasa ordered Sri Lanka Army to clandestine handed over arms consignments to the LTTE to fight the IPKF and its proxy Tamil National Army (TNA). These consignments include RPG guns, motars, self loading rifles, T81 automatic rifles, T56 automatic rifles, pistols, hand grenades, ammunition and communications setsMoreover, millions of dollars was also passed on to the LTTE.


So if your President dont send IPKF , then within month or more IPKF will destroyed LTTE, its your own foolishness that the LTTE survived.

Dont blame other for your own govt Foolishness....

And i cant help but laugh at ur ignorance,
"In brutal fighting that took about three weeks, the IPKF took control of the Jaffna Peninsula from the LTTE rule, something that the Sri Lankan army had then tried and failed to achieve for several years."
When IPKF came to SL, LTTE was holding NO area. they were in jungles doing bandit type operations, like robbing banks, killing tamil politicians, raiding police stations. How can IPKF liberate Jaffna when it was in our hands It was after IPKF left and Thimpu talks failed LTTE began holding area. Before that they didnt. where did u get ur infor

LTTE killed IPKF at a rate of 400 in initial three weeks. more than SLA troops. this was even talked abt in Indian Parliament. And SL army was in the verge of defeating LTTE when IPKF came. This is well document in the book by J.N.Dixit the former high commissioner of india in SL during that time...

nice attempt...where do u get ur...'facts' ?

 

[lankan]

^^^This Premadasa episode is one which Sinhalas like to forget..but Karma is a nasty bi**h. He was knocked off by a LTTE suicide bomber. IPKF would have handed over Jaffna to GoSL on a silver platter by early 90s itself..but Srilankans chose to confront IPKF rather than help them.

How can IPKF hand over Jaffna to GOSL on a silver platter,
1. Jaffna was under army control.. LTTE was not holding any area. It is documented.
2. IPKF was murdered by the LTTE that SLA had to help the fallen IPKF soldiers to save their lives.

just look at the following article written by a Ind army officer, Col Hariharan,

An ode to the Indian soldier



March 09, 2011 7:57:38 PM
Manvendra Singh

While India has chosen to forget the sacrifices of its soldiers in foreign land, Sri Lanka has erected a memorial in honour of the IPKF’s fallen heroes.

I was on the lookout for Harpal’s name. Like all those who knew him I too had been devastated by the loss of the Ropar Khalsa. He had that infectious persona. I had last seen him at his unit mess, during the 1987 cricket world cup. Even as the country partook in its cricket craze, there were those who didn’t have that luxury, as they were at war for India.Harpal didn’t want to remain in the rear, looking after his unit ladies and children. An officer of 1 Para Commando, Harpal lost his life during Operation Pawan in Sri Lanka. His battalion, like countless others, had been part of the Indian Peace-Keeping Force that ended up fighting the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam when they had gone to keep the calm in the island.

Nothing captured the irony and the idiocy of the situation more than an officer injured early in the fighting telling me later, “I was injured by the LTTE who were using arms and ammunition supplied by India, and saved by the Sri Lankan Army who had been supplied by the Pakistanis.” But it is not for the soldier to question political decisions, however bizarrely they may turn on their head.
A dear friend, Harpal had been the subject of the first article I had written about the IPKF in my early days as a journalist. It was on ode to Harpal, by name, and through him to all the others of the Indian Army who had fallen in a battle they had hardly prepared for.

So when I learnt of the memorial to soldiers of the IPKF, a visit there became inevitable. To bow my head, say a prayer, pay respect, and search for names that carried memories of fondness. And there it said — Capt H Singh PARA. Touching, and I was grateful.

Standing at the foot of the memorial I gazed in awe at its beauty and solemnity. Officers and jawans etched in perpetuity, white on black, and from across the country. There are Kashmiri names, just as there are Naga names. All casualties of a political decision to battle those they had gone to protect.

Every infantry regiment, and more, was recorded there. Tank men who volunteered for infantry duties, and didn’t come back to India are remembered for their valour. I saw the name of Col Chabra, whose son now dons the same uniform of the same battalion as he did while fighting for his country. It was humbling to stand before them, all together in memory, for posterity.

When the awe and pain of going through the names subsided, I couldn’t believe myself that there was, finally, a state inspired and funded war memorial to Indian soldiers. The fact that a Government-created memorial could be so beautifully made was as hard to believe as seeing one constructed in the first place. It is not a citizen’s initiative like, for example, the memorials in Chandigarh and Bangalore. It has been inspired by a national Government, funded and constructed by its agencies.

But, alas, in this case the state is not the Government of India, and the agencies that created it are not its PWD or MES. The credit is owed only to the Government of Sri Lanka, and the construction has been done entirely by the Sri Lankan Navy. And it has been done strikingly well.

Even as the Government of India resists the pressures of its soldiers and citizens to make a post-independence war memorial, Sri Lanka has recognised the significance of the Indian soldiers and sailors who died for its integrity from 1987 to 1990. The memorial has been made entirely from Sri Lankan funds, architectural consultants, and the contracting agency is the Sri Lanka Navy. Creditable when one considers the absence of any Government-made war memorial in India.

A plaque reads in English and Hindi: “This monument is dedicated to the members of the Indian Peace-Keeping Force who made the supreme sacrifice during the peace-keeping mission from 1987 to 1990 in Sri Lanka.” Another plaque says: “Indian Peace-Keeping Force — Valiant were their deeds; Undying be their memories.”

The IPKF memorial resides in the new capital of the country near Colombo, Sri Jayawardanepura Kotte. Past the Sri Lankan Parliament, the IPKF memorial is but a stone’s throw from the Sri Lankan national memorial for their own war heroes, rows upon rows of names etched in eternity. They fought to the bitter end with the LTTE, losing hundreds of brave soldiers in the process. And it is touching the level at which Sri Lanka values the contribution of the IPKF, for such is the pride of place which they have given to, and erected a memorial for, the sacrifices made by Indian soldiers.

I recall vividly the coincidence of dates in 1995. In the space of a few weeks there would be the 50th anniversary of the end of World War II and the 30th anniversary of the 1965 India-Pakistan war. I remember formally asking the Ministry of Defence as to how India was going to mark the events, both of which cost precious Indian lives. A bureaucrat replied, without any trace of irony or humility for the dead, that India was a peaceful country and did not believe in marking events like wars. The classic ahimsa line.

I was aghast, especially since the British Government was taking all Indian Victoria Cross and George Cross winners to London for the big celebrations. And India was silent on its own contributions. That attitude persists even today.

India’s attitude towards its soldiers, sailors and airmen can be gauged from the fact that a black plaque bolted on the IPKF memorial remains unlettered, blank. The Prime Minister of India was meant to inaugurate the memorial and have his name etched on this plaque. The inauguration was put off on account of political sensitivities within India, so the plaque remains bare and black.

Votes and political alliances are more important in India than respecting the memories of those 1,200 soldiers and sailors who lost their lives on account of the follies of their rulers. The bare black plaque stares back at visitors, conveying a message of ingratitude, insensitivity, and disrespect. As true a reflection of Indian attitudes to fallen soldiers as there can be.

In the meantime, Sri Lanka honours Indian soldiers and sailors just as well as they honour their own.

^^^This Premadasa episode is one which Sinhalas like to forget..but Karma is a nasty bi**h. He was knocked off by a LTTE suicide bomber. IPKF would have handed over Jaffna to GoSL on a silver platter by early 90s itself..but Srilankans chose to confront IPKF rather than help them.

Actually it would be correct to say indians want to forget that episode because of their failure, betrayal by LTTE.

^^^This Premadasa episode is one which Sinhalas like to forget..but Karma is a nasty bi**h. He was knocked off by a LTTE suicide bomber. IPKF would have handed over Jaffna to GoSL on a silver platter by early 90s itself..but Srilankans chose to confront IPKF rather than help them.

Actually it would be correct to say indians want to forget that episode because of their failure, betrayal by LTTE.

 

[lankan]

Why do Lankans forget that it was the Indian intel which led to the destruction of the LTTE arms warehouses in the high seas which led to arms shortage for LTTE like mortors. Without it, the damage would have been significant and the war would have been a stalemate. Lankans think about 1980s history but forget the most recent ones.

Because it was not. SLA didnt use indian intel to destroy LTTE arms shipment (not warehouse) they were relying more on GPS systems and Satelite imagery which were given by US initially (bt US backed out later). It was the SL airforce which sought help from india buying indian radar and air defensive system. But that too were not helpful as LTTE seaplanes were lying very below at like tree top height. The very reason india gave that was they wanted air tiger to be destroyed completely as it was dangerous to Ind. Nuclear plants in TN can be reached from SL with less than 2 hours, so it posed a risk.

But i admit india helped too but at a very latter stage.

"Lankans think about 1980s history but forget the most recent ones."
yeah we should remember that too that is why SLG has stepped up defence coorperation with Ind, however do u really think 80s is something we can easily forget?

So why go through the signing 1987 accord?

Forced with the threat of military action. This is how it is when living next to an insecure giant.

So instead you had a more powerful LTTE ruling your NE for another 18-19 years and had to resort to a full fledged civil war to to dismantle them. Clever thinking on the part of Premadasa I say.

LTTE was not ruling any part of SL before IPKF come. They were dispersed small gangs in the jungle. It was after the IPKF and Ind- Lanka accord LTTE gained area.Because SLA was confined to the barracks and IPKF didnt do the job properly. LTTE went on a killing spree SLA could do nothing as they had to honour the Accord.

Because Rajiv forced it on JRJ

this was the reaction to the Indo-Lanka accords by a general public!



Well it was our internal matter so doesn't matter it took so many years to end, we learnt a lot!



We never forget the help Pakistan had given to SL, specially during 2000s when 30,000 of our men had strangled in Jaffna.. Pakistan sent Grads prevented the fall out!

I dont think the naval officer did the right thing. But that was how the military looked at the accord. They were cleaning the wanni jungles and indians come and ask them to go to talks with the millitants.SL forces looked at the political leadership as some spineless men cos they agreed to it.

However SL courts gave verdict and imprisoned him for 25 years. That is how we treated him.

Well good for you but the lessons would have also be learnt without even sacrificing so men and material.



and then Tsunami Struck in 2004 and we sent 14 ships, 1000+ men, helicopters and airplanes to help SL in their relief work but hey who cares.

yeah many lessons, Trust no one

After doing all to Lanka do u really expect a thank you for some ship?

 

[lankan]

Mate - That would I say is a fanboy stuff. India is too big to be dragged down by SL in case you know. India has always been in a diplomatic dilemma wrt SL as they are torn between TN people's sentiments and SL's threat to host other countries(till 1980s it was U.S and recently the subtle threat about China). But if SL takes concrete steps in aligning with China and hosting China in SL, India's task is cut out. This is the situation which even your politicians identify and seek a balance.

then it is high time you tell your country mates to keep fanboy stuff off this. i know india gov is in a difficult situation and SL gov does nothing concrete to help that. we lankans value our autonomy. we dont like either camp, be it china or india. yet we feel gratitude towards china. But dont think SL gov would allow anything that can hurt india in SL soil. we are different than u.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

And i cant help but laugh at ur ignorance,
"In brutal fighting that took about three weeks, the IPKF took control of the Jaffna Peninsula from the LTTE rule, something that the Sri Lankan army had then tried and failed to achieve for several years."
When IPKF came to SL, LTTE was holding NO area. they were in jungles doing bandit type operations, like robbing banks, killing tamil politicians, raiding police stations. How can IPKF liberate Jaffna when it was in our hands It was after IPKF left and Thimpu talks failed LTTE began holding area. Before that they didnt. where did u get ur infor

LTTE killed IPKF at a rate of 400 in initial three weeks. more than SLA troops. this was even talked abt in Indian Parliament. And SL army was in the verge of defeating LTTE when IPKF came. This is well document in the book by J.N.Dixit the former high commissioner of india in SL during that time...

nice attempt...where do u get ur...'facts' ?

Lol i really liked you intelligence,

IPKF The IPKF suffered around 1,200 killed in action and several thousand wounded. The LTTE casualties are not known reliably but it is assumed that approximately 8000-11000 were killed and several thousand were injured.

Dont know how your fantasy turned a well documented fact in Army Records and records in public.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Even you people are thinking, we Tamilians and Indians are not one, considering as separate...There is no wonder, when Pakistanis or SL's ask us to carve a separate nation...

you took the post too much like a litral meaning, but its a sentimental and emotional issue for the Tamils(Indians and else where) when compared to the Maratis, Gujaratis, or rest of INDIA or World) we Tamils are the victims, that is the reason he has quoted Tamils seperatly.
I hope you understand the issue and its meaning, we are not going sepereate way out of INDIA, we just say we are the major stake holders as its a blood and emotional bond that we are going through as far as the SL Tamil issue is considered.

 

[yyetttt]

^^ After reading Tamils posts it seems to me you guys are Tamil, and then Indian???

 

[ashokdeiva]

What do you think we love Pakistan..?

and is it so bad to allow a friendly country's ships to birth in SL harbors..? Was that a such crime to so that Indians can get revenge for...! I'm sorry but the thing that you say imply to me that India is bully in this neighborhood!

when you know that there is a ongoing war between INDIA and PAKISTAN, who ever your friend is both INDIA and PAKISTAN, you should have said I will not support or horbour each others war machines, in your shore. when you did the opposite by supporting PAKISTAN and being an ally to PAKISTAN the moment you harboured their ship and that is a open declaration of war with INDIA from the SL side.
I hope your dumb head now gets what its when you get your hands dirty by pocking your nose into two gaint forces wrath.

Stop visiting Jaffna and Vanni, come down-south and you'll see!

Those Jaffna and Vanni Tamils showed you the middle finger for the past 40 years and you could have not done with the LTTE yourself unless 9 other nations supported you with military equipments and finaincial support.
Did you forgot that LTTE had their own SUBmariNE development program that your army unearthed. SL even in its future too can not build a sub on your own, Tamils out weigh you both in mental and physical abilities.

^^ After reading Tamils posts it seems to me you guys are Tamil, and then Indian???

ofcourse we are INDIANs (you dont have to worry about who we are).
we are Tamils like some say we are Gujarati, Marathi, Assame, that is the reason the states of INDIA was divided based on Luingustic lines, and thats how the federal structure of MY(OUR) nation INDIA works.

 

[Baby Leone]

Good move by Sri Lanka hope Pakistan will also follow it in issue of terrorism in Balochistan & Fata