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The audacity of Hamid Gul
By Jeff Stein

Everything that is terrifying about Washington’s relationship with Pakistan can be summed up in the Wikileaks documents on Hamid Gul, a former chief of the ISI, Islamabad's intelligence service.

The documents portray Gul as the public face of an underground Pakistani military network that appears to be working to destroy the U.S. effort to create a pro-West Afghanistan.

A hawk-like man with laser black eyes, Gul's animosity toward the United States is well known. But the audacity of his plotting with the Taliban and even al-Qaeda, as represented in the documents, has the ability to shock.

If the documents are to be believed -- and the uncorroborated U.S. intelligence reports must be read with caution -- Gul has taken a direct hand in quarterbacking attacks against U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan.

Gul calls the reports "fiction and nothing else."


In mid-December 2006, one report says, Gul met with “senior members of the Taliban leadership in Nowshara, Pakistan,” during which he said he had dispatched three insurgents to Kabul to carry out attacks with improvised explosive devices during the celebration of Eid, a Muslim holiday.

“Gul instructed two of the individuals to plant IEDs along the roads frequently utilized by Government of Afghanistan and ISAF vehicles,” the intelligence report says. “The third individual is to carry out a suicide attack utilizing a suicide vest against" Afghan government or NATO targets.

“Make the snow warm in Kabul,” he told the bombers, according to the report. “Set Kabul aflame.”

“Gul reportedly has received approximately 50 of these mines in order for them to carry out their operation,” the report said.

In January 2008 Gul also directed the Taliban to kidnap high-level United Nations personnel in Afghanistan to trade for captured Pakistani soldiers, according to another report.

“The (Taliban) group led by (Qari) Naqibullah,” it said, “is working with the coordination of retired Pakistani General Hamid Gul. This group is targeting un vehicles marked with black lettering, which Naqibullah believes is an indicator that the vehicle is carrying high level UN officials or members of the UN intelligence service.”

“Naqibullah,” it added, “has been instructed by Gul to place a higher priority in securing the release of the Pakistani soldiers.”
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While not proven, the allegations that the Taliban would take orders from Gul are not surprising.

After the Red Army left Afghanistan in 1989, he and fellow Islamists in the ISI midwifed the fundamentalists into a fighting force that took Kabul and ruled the country with a puritanical zeal until they were ousted by U.S.-led forces after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

But if another U.S. intelligence report released by Wikileaks is to be believed, Gul has also been working hand-in-glove with al-Qaeda.

On Jan. 5, 2009, the report says, insurgents in the Pakistani tribal zone of South Waziristan met to discuss taking revenge for the death of a Taliban commander killed in a CIA drone attack.

“Also in attendance were three unidentified older Arab males, who were considered important” because they were accompanied by “approximately 20 Arab bodyguards,” said the report, which originated with the U.S. Army’s Task Force Castle engineering group.

“Hamid Gul, a former member of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was in attendance at the meeting also,” the report said. “Hamid Gul was described as being an older man and a very important person from ISI.”

Gul “encouraged (their) leaders to focus their operation inside of Afghanistan in exchange for the government of Pakistan's security forces turning a blind eye to the presence of (their) commanders and fighters in Pakistan,” the report said.

Gul also had a tip for al-Qaeda and the insurgents: ”The aerial threats in the area were controlled from the airport in Wana,” the largest town in South Waziristan.
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Given Gul’s longtime, vocal animosity for Washington, it’s not inconceivable that he would get his hands dirty with the insurgents at such a primitive tactical level, planning car bombs like a Pakistani Tony Soprano.

Like many journalists, I have sat in his living room in Ralwalpindi, headquarters of the Pakistani army, and heard him bitterly intone against the Americans. When I last visited in August 1997, on the sour bicentenary of Pakistan’s schism with India, the country was flooded with AK-47s, heroin and Afghan refugees. The Americans had used Pakistan like a hammer to beat the Russians, Gul said, and then walked away.

The Taliban were in power in Kabul, but the CIA was conspiring to overthrow them, he charged. The American embassy was trying to infiltrate Pakistani police and army units. He railed against U.S. “meddling” in the country.

Even the FBI had barged into the country, he groused, swooping down in a dusty market town to capture Mir Aimal Kasi, a Pakistani fugitive who had shot and killed CIA employees at their gate in McLean, Va. in Jan. 1993.

Kasi, Gul claimed, “was an agent of the CIA ... He was working inside of Pakistan and outside of Pakistan." He knew that, he said, because he had a dossier on the Kasi clan, which had worked with the ISI to deliver supplies to the mujaheddin.

I asked for proof. It never came. When my taped interview with him was published, he denied ever saying such a thing. (A year later, in a jailhouse letter to me, Kasi said he never worked for the agency and was inspired to fire on its gates by pictures of Iraqi troops strafed by American planes.)

When Gul wasn’t railing against the Americans, he was reportedly conspiring with Kashmiri separatists, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, which evidently sponsored the terrorist attack in Mumbai, India.

In late 2008, Washington fingered Gul to the United Nations as one of four former top Pakistani intelligence officers supporting Islamic terrorism.

Gul was also accused by the late Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto of authoring the first assassination attempt upon her after her return to Pakistan.

And so on. None of this is a surprise to U.S. officials, who have had to live with the Pakistani army’s duplicity on Afghanistan since coalition forces toppled the Taliban in late 2001.

The first reaction Pakistan’s leadership to the Wikileaks reports was telling.

"These reports reflect nothing more than single-source comments and rumors, which abound on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, the Pakistani ambassador said in a prepared statement, “and are often proved wrong after deeper examination."

Gul's first reaction was to call the allegations “absolute nonsense.”

“I have had no hand in it,” he told The New York Times, adding, “American intelligence is pulling cotton wool over your eyes.”

The ex-general had a more measured response later.

“Report of my physical involvement with al-Qaeda or Taliban in planning attacks on American forces is completely baseless,” Gul told The Wall Street Journal. “I am not against America, but I am opposed to what the American forces are doing in Afghanistan."

By Jeff Stein | July 26, 2010; 1:30 PM ET
 
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I believe this guy is a true patriot these reports are fiction and nothing else. Zionists play a clever trick and that is that anyone that does not agree with their warped vision of the world gets bombarded with baseless propaganda without recourse to facts and try to make the person look "mad" and or equate them with inhumane acts. Whereas their own war criminals like Blair get appointed to "important high profile non elected positions" where they can keep pontificating even when their own electrate have seen through them
 
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is this a plot of incoming movie ? :undecided:
fairy tales are extremely rare in these days but i appreciate the effort:hitwall:
 
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It is a truth known for a long time to almost anyone interested in the affairs.

If one has a good understanding of relations between the US and Pakistan, and is smart enough to decipher the messages... one can very easily see how true the reports are from Gul's own numerous interviews.

No one corroborates this story more strongly than Gul himself (along with his background and his numerous suspicious activities post retirement), albeit inadvertently.
 
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It is a truth known for a long time to almost anyone interested in the affairs.

If one has a good understanding of relations between the US and Pakistan, and is smart enough to decipher the messages... one can very easily see how true the reports are from Gul's own numerous interviews.

No one corroborates this story more strongly than Gul himself (along with his background and his numerous suspicious activities post retirement), albeit inadvertently.
How have Gul's activities corroborated this story, even the author admits the claims and US intelligence referring to Hamid Gul are uncorroborated?

It appears to be an entire article based on the idea that 'IF these fanciful claims were true, then ....'

Speculation being cleverly used to propagate US establishment propaganda and lies to smear Pakistan ...
 
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Everything that is terrifying about Washington’s relationship with Pakistan can be summed up in the Wikileaks documents on Hamid Gul, a former chief of the ISI, Islamabad's intelligence service.

The documents portray Gul as the public face of an underground Pakistani military network that appears to be working to destroy the U.S. effort to create a pro-West Afghanistan.

Pay attention to this part.
hence forth, the article looses any hope.

If West thinks they have the God forsaken right to arrive and install a what ever pro government, then they shall not complain about getting resistive treatment.
 
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A hawk-like man with laser black eyes, Gul's animosity toward the United States is well known.

I wonder what kind of picture the writer is sketching in his mind :rofl::rofl:
 
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How have Gul's activities corroborated this story, even the author admits the claims and US intelligence referring to Hamid Gul are uncorroborated?

It appears to be an entire article based on the idea that 'IF these fanciful claims were true, then ....'

Speculation being cleverly used to propagate US establishment propaganda and lies to smear Pakistan ...

Things are not as black and white AM. Like I told you some time back that evidences are not brought forth so as to keep the public calm about the situation and to keep them from demanding a war with Pakistan.

No one is going to actually "testify" the wrongdoings on part of Pakistani officials, but they already work on it. Why do you think the US was so hell bent on declaring Gul as an international terrorist so long ago? It wouldn't go that far and take such pain just for nothing.

About Gul, I cannot summarize everything here that he has said in his so many interviews. That is a man who lies, but he is not a conspiracy theorist. He would use a conspiracy theory to propagate his own agendas, but he does divulge a lot in his numerous interviews. I guess you will have to look for his interviews yourself.

And while you are at it, please also look deeper into where he went in Africa and whom he met there and in Afghanistan. That will tell you a lot about what he is up to, because all that happened post retirement.

Oh one more thing, the statements alleged to be of Gul may be accurate, but his passion to hurt the US does not culminate in an IED here and an IED there. It is much graver than that, and hasn't been talked about in Wikileaks. Well, I don't even have a solid proof of that, so feel free to take it as a conspiracy theory.


P.S. While you are researching on his post retirement activities, please do not stop anywhere when you find some Indian source, like you did last time. Neither do I want you to look for Indian sources, nor rely on them. But if something is out there, then there must be a source.
 
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Things are not as black and white AM. Like I told you some time back that evidences are not brought forth so as to keep the public calm about the situation and to keep them from demanding a war with Pakistan.

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You gotta be kidding me american press works overtime trying to report every little single conspiracy theory on pakistan. Thats the problem when allegations are made against america they are conspiracy theories. When its about pakistan speculation is made into fact. Its the usual double standards
 
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How have Gul's activities corroborated this story, even the author admits the claims and US intelligence referring to Hamid Gul are uncorroborated?

It appears to be an entire article based on the idea that 'IF these fanciful claims were true, then ....'

Speculation being cleverly used to propagate US establishment propaganda and lies to smear Pakistan ...

IF is a word used frequently. IF and reality are different.As we are all aware now that as far as the guy posting this type of material IF becomes FACT and FACT becomes IF. I ave noticed that when a story of this nature is repetitively printed the logical held by Solomon2 is that they become true. He does the same on his anti Pakistani blog he runs for him and erm i think just him.
 
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Gul has all the quality of a super hero- this article contains a script and Hollywood should make a movie out of this script-
 
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There was King Soloman, all wise and all knowing, and there's this yahoo pseudo intellectual.... Where do these ponchos come from:coffee:
 
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You gotta be kidding me american press works overtime trying to report every little single conspiracy theory on pakistan. Thats the problem when allegations are made against america they are conspiracy theories. When its about pakistan speculation is made into fact. Its the usual double standards

Such zeal, such enthusiasm... why not utilize some of it and read the 911 commission report? You can use it as the basis to start your research on the new found relationship between the US and Pakistan.

The world, and the modus operandi of the nations, are so much more complex than your take. Please read the entire report, and the related materials and dig up the testimonies, and disregard news pieces as the source of information. Least to say, you will sober up.
 
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