Spot-fixing/Match-fixing scandal

[Awesome]

Kamran Akmal - Majeed talking about the fixed Sydney match on tape. Yasir talking about that too. My conscience is convinced that Kamran has to be guilty if Sydney match was fixed.

Majeed stating something does not make it true.

Umar Akmal - He feigned sickness when Kamran was dropped. Was he playing for his country? Or did they have an internal faction going on?

Again that can be reckless and disloyal but not the same as taking money to sit out.

You still have to prove that he feigned sickness. Was any medical test done? Was a medical leave of absence requested from him before he was allowed to sit out.

Wahab Riaz - His coat was used for stashing money, he was seen wearing it again.

Again he was shown in the car stashing money in. Later when he supposedly flashes the money to Riaz, you can't say the money was still in there, the scene was cut between those two incidents and he could be just offering the player his coat.

Javed Miandad - Arranged Marriage of his daughter to Dawood's son.

All this is not proof enough for you? For me, it's proof enough.

None of this is proof. This is how gossiping women come to a conclusion, not courts of law.

If and only if it can be proven that Majeed's video was made a day before the actual noballs then Butt, Asif and Amir can be convicted. In over one week they haven't been able to confirm that. The only piece of evidence that they have.

 

[Awesome]

I must point out, that the trio have still not been charged with anything by Scotland Yard.

 

[Evil Flare]

You are correct but he should have contacted with pcb or icc before contacting media.

Thats wrong.

Technically Players work for PCB not the ICC ..

What if the PCB is also involved ? & Said him to shut his mouth ..

PCB is controlled by Zardari's Mafia which is world famous for Corruption

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

If and only if it can be proven that Majeed's video was made a day before the actual noballs then Butt, Asif and Amir can be convicted. In over one week they haven't been able to confirm that. The only piece of evidence that they have.

HC Hasan - "It could have been dated before the match or after the match, or at a different time. Do you have answers to these questions? "

NOTW - No chance, Mr Hasan. We have cast-iron proof with timed evidence from e-mails, text messages, phone records, videos and receipts.

We have dated receipts showing our reporters picked up £140,000 from a London travel agents and took a hired car to the London hotel where our undercover Investigations Editor Mazher Mahmood met match fixer Mazhar Majeed to hand over the cash.

Police possess CCTV footage from the hotel showing Mahmood and Majeed arriving separately for the meeting on August 25.

At 9.53pm, Majeed texted Mahmood asking: "Boss can we meet at 10.30 pls". Five minutes later he sent another asking: "Which hotel?"

We videoed the handover and later Mahmood e-mailed our Editor Colin Myler, company lawyer Tom Crone and the news editor to brief them on what had happened.

His e-mail is timed at 01:24 on August 26 - nine- and-a-half hours BEFORE the Lord's Test was due to begin.

Proof it wasn't 'set up'

 

[Pakistani_Athiest]

None of this is proof. This is how gossiping women come to a conclusion, not courts of law.

You speculate based on what facts you have, and investigate those facts. Produce the results of investigation before a court and get verdict. That's how justice works. Justice is not served by shutting your eyes tight in denial

If and only if it can be proven that Majeed's video was made a day before the actual noballs then Butt, Asif and Amir can be convicted. In over one week they haven't been able to confirm that. The only piece of evidence that they have.

Proof it wasn't 'set up' | Cast-iron proof that the Pakistan High Commissioner's claims of innocence are ludicrous. | News Of The World

Also Majeed is in REAL REAL trouble for Money Laundering etc. Why would he blow his own whistle to get Butt, Amir and Asif in trouble? Butt, Asif and Amir will probably get banned for their actions, but Majeed will get jail-time, how is he benefited by that video? Why would he collaborate with NOTW to screw himself over?

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

HC Hasan - "It could have been dated before the match or after the match, or at a different time. Do you have answers to these questions? "

NOTW - No chance, Mr Hasan. We have cast-iron proof with timed evidence from e-mails, text messages, phone records, videos and receipts.

We have dated receipts showing our reporters picked up £140,000 from a London travel agents and took a hired car to the London hotel where our undercover Investigations Editor Mazher Mahmood met match fixer Mazhar Majeed to hand over the cash.

Police possess CCTV footage from the hotel showing Mahmood and Majeed arriving separately for the meeting on August 25.

At 9.53pm, Majeed texted Mahmood asking: "Boss can we meet at 10.30 pls". Five minutes later he sent another asking: "Which hotel?"

We videoed the handover and later Mahmood e-mailed our Editor Colin Myler, company lawyer Tom Crone and the news editor to brief them on what had happened.

His e-mail is timed at 01:24 on August 26 - nine- and-a-half hours BEFORE the Lord's Test was due to begin.

Proof it wasn't 'set up'

Still Not Solid Proofs .

 

[Hyde]

I agree with Imran Khan about the punishment

BBC News - Imran Khan: 'It was right to suspend cricket players'

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

F-CUK WITH BRITISH PAPARATZI AZZHOLES

LADY DIANA'S MURDER IS ALSO IN THERE NAME ..!!!!

 

[Awesome]

You speculate based on what facts you have, and investigate those facts. Produce the results of investigation before a court and get verdict. That's how justice works. Justice is not served by shutting your eyes tight in denial

It is very convenient to use the word "denial" whenever proof is asked. It's the same argument the lynch mob of Salem used to burn 'witches' at the stakes.

In reality, established court procedures say that it should be proven beyond reasonable doubt that a party is guilty of the crime they are accused of.

You cannot prove that the video was made after the no balls. You cannot prove Riaz had the cash. You cannot prove Umar Akmal feigned sickness.

You feeling it in your bones, is just not good enough.

Also Majeed is in REAL REAL trouble for Money Laundering etc. Why would he blow his own whistle to get Butt, Amir and Asif in trouble? Butt, Asif and Amir will probably get banned for their actions, but Majeed will get jail-time, how is he benefited by that video? Why would he collaborate with NOTW to screw himself over?

Majeed being in real trouble for money laundering is a separate case than him being in real trouble for "Defrauding Bookmakers". For the original crime he was accused of, even no money has been recovered from him.

Money laundering is a case which does not even involve Pakistani players.

 

[Peregrine]

I guess, no one can deny the fact that Pakistani's do know how to stay under media lime light............. BTW i don't know how hammed will explain his poor performance in literally every match that he has played

 

[Speaker]

Aren't they proven guilty already? The currency notes and videos aren't damning enough?

Those haven't been established conclusively yet. I want to see undeniable proof before passing judgments. Playing devil's advocate, what if:

- The videos were made after the incident
- The currencies do not match NOTW's description?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

GeoTV already acknowledged, they shared proof.

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Ab Khush ?

It just seems like hes just engaging in some loose talk and doesn't have anything to show for it himself. As I said within the Pakistani team people are being untrusting of those three players as well. Afridi the original captain being the most furious of them all.

The thing is Yasir Hameed himself is playing the worst out of all batsmen in the team.

Also when hes asked "Sure?" He dismisses it like "Allah knows better", not a very confident statement.

This is again more Masala than anything substantial.

Actually most of Yasir Hameed's comments have been mis-translated. The nuances in tone suggest that hes speculating, rather than informing. The language used does not suggest that he is a person "In the know".

Just to echo Asim's comments, when he is being questioned about the Sydney test, the interviewer asks him leading questions about whether 'they talk about it' , and Hameed's response is, 'Allah knows, the reports allege that, and Scotland Yard has been after them'.

The video appears heavily edited and Hameed's statements posted out of context. This does not absolve the trio of match-fixing charges, but Hammed does not come out and provide anything conclusive in terms of what he knows. Mostly its speculation on his part based on the properties the three own, but the three are also either a lot more successful than Hameed is, or (in the case of Butt) born into a wealthy family.

Again, there still may be a lot to go after the trio with, but Hameed's interview is not really that enlightening.

 

[Speaker]

Exactly, as damning as it may be as anecdotal evidence, the Hameed video has many holes for a court of law:

- As Asim says, he does not state anything conclusively. There is a possibility of this being a gupshup session. People always try to relate themselves to major events for their 2 seconds of fame in a party.

- There is editing involved, as AM stated.

- Yasir appears 'tight'. He is not too drunk, but looks incoherent enough to be questioned by the defense lawyers.

All said, if he is ready to testify this in court, the prosecution has some chance. If there is some circumstantial evidence established, a testimony from a person who shared the dressing room with the three can be pretty serious.

 

[Pakistani_Athiest]

Majeed being in real trouble for money laundering is a separate case than him being in real trouble for "Defrauding Bookmakers". For the original crime he was accused of, even no money has been recovered from him.

Money laundering is a case which does not even involve Pakistani players.

Playing devil's advocate, what if:

- The videos were made after the incident

So some logic here -

Two cases -

The video was made

a) Before the incident
b) After the incident

If case A is true, then the trio is guilty as hell.

If case B is true, then Majeed took part in the video session. In other words, he was an active participant.

Now the real question, if case B is true - why would Majeed do such a thing and get himself and his wife in DEEP trouble? Why would he whistleblow himself? Therefore, case B is unlikely to be true.

Therefore, case A has to be true.

Therefore, one can say beyond a reasonable doubt, that the trio is guilty.

I rest my case.

- The currencies do not match NOTW's description?

it's proven that the currencies match NOTW's description. Dont worry! They have a new conspiracy theory to "explain" that.
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Majeed took money from NOTW. Majeed then gave this money in cash for sponsorship. "innocent" Butt took this money because it was sponsorship money. "poor" "cutiepie" Butt was framed by Majeed and NOTW.

Of course, Majeed - a millionaire, has gained a LOT from this - including possible jailtime for him and his wife. Therefore, there is enough incentive for him to target the Pakistani trio.

Of course, let's not even question as to HOW sponsorship money is given in cash instead of a check or bank transfer. No! No! Let's live in denial instead

</Sarcasm>


WHERE IS THE PROOF? WHAIR IZ DA PRUUF?

 

[Awesome]

So some logic here -

Two cases -

The video was made

a) Before the incident
b) After the incident

If case A is true, then the trio is guilty as hell.

If case B is true, then Majeed took part in the video session. In other words, he was an active participant.

Now the real question, if case B is true - why would Majeed do such a thing and get himself and his wife in DEEP trouble? Why would he whistleblow himself? Therefore, case B is unlikely to be true.

Therefore, case A has to be true.

Therefore, one can say beyond a reasonable doubt, that the trio is guilty.

I rest my case.



it's proven that the currencies match NOTW's description. Here is the new conspiracy theory to "justify" that.

Majeed took money from NOTW. Majeed then gave this money in cash for sponsorship. "innocent" Butt took this money because it was sponsorship money. "poor" "cutiepie" Butt was framed by Majeed and NOTW.

Of course, Majeed - a millionaire, has gained a LOT from this - including possible jailtime for him and his wife. Therefore, there is enough incentive for him to target the Pakistani trio.

Of course, let's not even question as to HOW sponsorship money is given in cash instead of a check or bank transfer. No! No! Let's live in denial instead

Why would Majeed commit perjury is not a good enough reason to convict the other players. Many likely scenarios, like money, blackmail, threats, etc.

The fact that if the video tape was filmed after the no balls, then why Majeed did it needs to be investigated and Scotland Yard itself would be responsible for that investigation.

You are accusing the Pakistani players. The burden of presenting the proof is upon you that they guilty. They don't need to produce proof that they are innocent.