Spot-fixing/Match-fixing scandal

[Speaker]

if they are cleared, NOTW will be banished.. ppl will stop believeing tabloids at all.. those cricketers will be given a public apology by everyone who said they were cheats...

Only if they conclusively prove that these videos were recorded after the incidents. Otherwise, I don't see NOTW getting banished that easily. Law works in a very non-intuitive way. You cannot fight a two way case in court. In other words, if the prosecution/NOTW loses the case due to inconclusive (note not false) evidence, it does not mean they are in turn guilty. That will be handled as a separate case, and it is up to the PCB/cricketers to accuse them of conspiracy. However, since the video timing cannot be established, that is not sufficient proof for NOTW to be pronounced guilty either.

NOTW is a tabloid and will only gain with this case/conspiracy. The players are in a lose-lose situation unless someone can successfully prove the videos to be false evidence.

 

[LaBong]

Large companies prefer to pay in checks, stating the check no on to the contract, and ensuring the checks are crossed.

Checks are also manager's/bankers checks not regular checks so they are certified to be en-cashed.

Checks are also handed over right at the time of signing a contract, so the payment is done then n there.

Money transfer through banking means, despite what you might see in movies, is not instant and can easily take up to a few hours and hence is never really used as a legitimate means of signing a deal.

Err really? A standard NEFT transfer would take half a day, RTGS is real-time. Never knew large companies use check 'so the payment is done then n there' and even if it is true, it's too hard to believe companies will give marked notes for signing the contact!

BTW, which sponsor does this Majid guy represent?

 

[Awesome]

Whether or not the players are guilty, one does have to admire how Asim poked holes in every argument made by NOTW to validate the timing of the video.

On the validation through the timing of the email to the editor - If this was indeed a setup, then the people doing it knew in advance what scoop they wanted, and who would give it to them, and therefore the wrote an email to the editor claiming that what they expected/planned would happen, had already happened.

Subah, subah, sehri hazam bhi toh karni hoti hai

 

[brahmastra]

Shane Watson dives in as Kamran Akmal keeps wicket at Sydney in January, when Pakistan lost from a commanding position. Photograph: Ryan Pierse/Getty Images

today, in newspaper 'The Advertiser' printed pics of the test and doubted that the match was really fixed.

 

[Awesome]

Err really? A standard NEFT transfer would take half a day, RTGS is real-time. Never knew large companies use check 'so the payment is done then n there' and even if it is true, it's too hard to believe companies will give marked notes for signing the contact!

BTW, which sponsor does this Majid guy represent?

Adidas was named in one of the reports...

RTGS, requires pre-established relationships between banks - it too is not then there. RTGS over SWIFT usually follows a three step process - creation, verification and then authorization. It's not a single click. Then there is the whole issue of established RMA between the banks.

 

[notsuperstitious]

This is also between NOTW staff and not captured on the video.

They could have held a dated third party newspaper in front of the videos, a trick that has been used in movies since forever and is commonly known.

The text message and the emails both may not be in the video, but are documented proofs.

On the other hand, no amount of evidence will be sufficient to convince people bent on protecting wrongdoers. I've had such debates with people on the Mumbai attacks too and its futile. I hope the Indian origin ICC CEO will hopefully take strict action so that you can find solace in his Indian origin and will never have to climb down

 

[Awesome]

The text message and the emails both may not be in the video, but are documented proofs.

On the other hand, no amount of evidence will be sufficient to convince people bent on protecting wrongdoers. I've had such debates with people on the Mumbai attacks too and its futile. I hope the Indian origin ICC CEO will hopefully take strict action so that you can find solace in his Indian origin and will never have to climb down

A simple computer forensics evidence on the source media storage device can prove WHEN the video data was written on lets say the hard disk.

I can do that with open source software available on the net. The fact that, that hasn't been used either points that NOTW hasn't produced the source storage media as evidence so far or that it has been buried to keep the issue afloat till they can.

 

[Awesome]

A simple computer forensics evidence on the source media storage device can prove WHEN the video data was written on lets say the hard disk.

I can do that with open source software available on the net. The fact that, that hasn't been used either points that NOTW hasn't produced the source storage media as evidence so far or that it has been buried to keep the issue afloat till they can.

This would be solid police work, independently verifiable by Pakistani investigators as well. What do emails prove? That someone sent it? What do phone records prove? Someone made a call? It doesn't have any link if the foundation of your assertion is false.

This is not just me, but even any court of law would throw the case out presented with flimsy evidence such as this...

Remember even Haroon Lorgat didn't have the guts to say he has "damning evidence", he said there is "Sufficient evidence" and sufficiency is open to interpretation.

 

[LaBong]

Adidas was named in one of the reports...

RTGS, requires pre-established relationships between banks - it too is not then there. RTGS over SWIFT usually follows a three step process - creation, verification and then authorization. It's not a single click. Then there is the whole issue of established RMA between the banks.

Yes but this is just one time creation, verification and when big names like adidas is involved then the formalities will be done by bank officials and players agent themselves. As you said it requires creation, verification and then authorization it is more secure than standard check. By any means, sponsors will never give them marked notes, this not how these 'legal' deals being carried out in today's world.

 

[Awesome]

Yes but this is just one time creation, verification and when big names like adidas is involved then the formalities will be done by bank officials and players agent themselves. As you said it requires creation, verification and then authorization it is more secure than standard check. By any means, sponsors will never give them marked notes, this not how these 'legal' deals being carried out in today's world.

Marked notes? No, they could've paid a check to Mazhar Majeed and Mazhar Majeed paid cash to the players.

Giving plenty of room to bring in marked notes.

 

[notsuperstitious]

A simple computer forensics evidence on the source media storage device can prove WHEN the video data was written on lets say the hard disk.

I can do that with open source software available on the net. The fact that, that hasn't been used either points that NOTW hasn't produced the source storage media as evidence so far or that it has been buried to keep the issue afloat till they can.

How do you know scotland yard have not done it before taking the evidence as credible?

 

[LaBong]

Marked notes? No, they could've paid a check to Mazhar Majeed and Mazhar Majeed paid cash to the players.

Giving plenty of room to bring in marked notes.

Again the question comes who is Mazhar Majeed? Does he represent the players or sponsors? Is he authorized agent of the players because I don't think bank will give a check of such huge amount just to anybody. There's plenty of room to doubt that the deal is indeed murky. So suspension is justified isn't it?

 

[LaBong]

How do you know scotland yard have not done it before taking the evidence as credible?

Indeed if yard saying it credible, why people are assuming that they haven't done the preliminary tests of authenticating the video. Could someone tell me what's being mentioned in the emails and text messages?

 

[LaBong]

Remember even Haroon Lorgat didn't have the guts to say he has "damning evidence", he said there is "Sufficient evidence" and sufficiency is open to interpretation.

But sufficient evidence is enough for ICC to suspend the suspected players. Legally speaking, there's no way PCB can nail Lorgat even if the player's been proved innocent. Ajay Jadeja was facing 5 years ban by BCCI, court acquitted him of all charges but he couldn't do anything to Dalmia with all his political clout.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

How do you know scotland yard have not done it before taking the evidence as credible?

SY may have done the forensics on the video, and it may be authentic in terms of time and individuals involved, but we probably will not know that for sure until SY releases their investigation results.

In the meantime the ICC has gone ahead and suspended the players, despite the final investigation results by SY not yet being provided, or the investigation even complete.

If SY, being first on the scene and with all the resources and powers at its disposal that the ACU does not have, has not concluded its investigation, then it beggars belief that the ICC have any sort of credible 'case' to make to suspend the players and hold hearings to uphold or remove suspensions.

ICC hearings/interviews with the players should have formed part of the ICC ACU investigation, whose results would have then led to a suspension/ban whatever. Right now, with the ICC having not completed any investigation, and having not even interviewed the concerned payers, the decision to suspend them does come across as 'playing to the public gallery' as argued by the HC.