Spain Accused of ‘Outrageous’ Violation of British Sovereignty ... !

[Indika]

There are no natives on the islsnds nymore unfortunately, as our governement all deported them to sychelles and mauritius, its for their own security though, as we use the base exclusively as a military outpost.

"own security"?
Ahh that is a bloody diplomatic gem of a statement .

Why not mind your own business?

Look who is lecturing? Greedy british interventionist and colonist policy resulted in untold suffering ,blood shed and enduring animosity across the world. But of course you will defend it by saying might is right.
Truth is bitter mate, but why take it so seriously I just pointed out the fact .

 

[T-Rex]

geo politics is not a moral game and never will be.

These indians shouldn't talk of 'morality' after what they have been doing to the Kashmiris or the dalits but that is not my point. Let me ask you a question, don't your leaders like blair and your media often talk about the 'moral high ground' of the west while fighting perpetually against the bogeyman? So, according to your statement it's all a big lie, right? You've unwittingly admitted a truth we know all too well. No wonder there is so much inhumanity in this world.

Countries (smart and sane ones who have the capabilities.lol) will ALWAYS look after their interests irregardless of the consequences towards others.

Then why do you blame Hitler for what he did for his 'New Germany'?

lol. No power/country ever cared about the weak/vulnerable and never will they. If you cant make yourself stronger then shut up

Yet your leaders tell non-western and specially Muslim governments not to spend much in defence, now isn't that outright mean and dirty?

@Carlosa you are the only Spanish poster I know here on PDF, what's people's response in Spain on this?

What will the Spanish people say? You heard the man, they occupy part of Morocco in the same way! So, it's a quarrel between two old devils.

It's a good time to send modern day Tariq Bin Zayad to Gibraltar and free it and spain from infidel rule

Morons like you are the reason why Muslims are at the receiving end of persecution and humiliation!

 

[SwAggeR]

Not really .

How about Diego Garcia, Guantanamo, French Polynesia and so on.

The rock was British and so shall it stay

India narrowly missed, I would have loved your response if Brit carrier and destroyers were permanently parked in Andamans and Nicobar.

 

[third eye]

India narrowly missed, I would have loved your response if Brit carrier and destroyers were permanently parked in Andamans and Nicobar.

I am surprised you think this way.

India removed all encroachments on its territory post Independence - Goa , Pondichery .

Do you seriously think India & Indians would have allowed GB to retain A&N ?

No way.

Its for the Spaniards to recover the rock if they feel strongly about it.

 

[SwAggeR]

I am surprised you think this way.

India removed all encroachments on its territory post Independence - Goa , Pondichery .

Do you seriously think India & Indians would have allowed GB to retain A&N ?

No way.

Its for the Spaniards to recover the rock if they feel strongly about it.

Go read and do some research about Andmans , how we granted their Mayor the Rajya Shabha membership as last ditch overture .

What's morally wrong is wrong , you shouldn't side with Brits on the Gibraltar or Falakkad issue as we ourselves have been victim of their colonial rule in past.

 

[mike2000 is back]

These indians shouldn't talk of 'morality' after what they have been doing to the Kashmiris or the dalits but that is not my point. Let me ask you a question, don't your leaders like blair and your media often talk about the 'moral high ground' of the west while fighting perpetually against the bogeyman? So, according to your statement it's all a big lie, right? You've unwittingly admitted a truth we know all too well. No wonder there is so much inhumanity in this world.



Then why do you blame Hitler for what he did for his 'New Germany'?




Yet your leaders tell non-western and specially Muslim governments not to spend much in defence, now isn't that outright mean and dirty?

Lool of course its still politics. I already said on here(something any sane or educated person knows) that politics is a dirty game. And yes NO COUNTRY/GOVERNMENT ON EARTH IS CLEAN. They all have one way or another done things that serves their interests at the expense of others. So ues Countries will alays look after their interest first and foremost any other thing comes secondary. However if a country's interest matches with another country then both can come into an agreement about working together for both interests etc.

You said our leaders tell muslim countries(I dont even know which countries you are talking about.lol) not to spend on defence. Lool well if that indeed serves our interests then why not? Even though i think its the opposite as our leaderswill like them to spend more since they buy most of their weapons from our defence companies anyway. So more money for us.

And no we dont really blame hitler per se. He did try and expand Germans influence/rule over the world, but he did it in a VERY FOOLISH/AMATEURISH way, so je was doomed from there. You dont protect your interests/expand your rule by making all other big(ger) powers your ennemy and and devlaring we in them(thats just basic geo political rules). So,No we dont complain or cry/whine about hitlers actions, we simply did what we were meant to do after defeating Nazis Germany, which is de-nazifying the country and assuming our role as the victors of the war. So we did what we had to. Had Germany won the war, it too would have done the exact same thing, and wrote the post war world rules, like we and the U.S did. So there is no inconsistency with what i said earlier.

Plus, yes Indians,Chinese, Iranians, Russians etc cant talk of morality sibce they too as well are anything but moral.lool As i said every country will alwaus do what it thinks is in its best interests irregardless of what others think. so i dont blame india, china, Russia, Iran or any other country as they too are simply playing the game, i.e doing one thing and blaming others for doing the same, whule acting like they are the most holy of countries and playing the victimhood card, never mentioning all the bad things their own governemnts did/does as well. Lool So its up to others to see things their way. As for me i dont really see whats wrong with that, as i understand the game fully.

 

[third eye]

Go read and do some research about Andmans , how we granted their Mayor the Rajya Shabha membership as last ditch overture .

Whats the concern here ?

J&K also joined India as a part of last ditch activity . The larger issue is that A&N was India & Indians were sent to Kala Pani since it was a part of India.

What's morally wrong is wrong , you shouldn't side with Brits on the Gibraltar or Falakkad issue as we ourselves have been victim of their colonial rule in past.

I dont therefore think its morally wrong when my nations interests are involved.

So must I am sure be others who feel for their own nation.

These indians shouldn't talk of 'morality' after what they have been doing to the Kashmiris or the dalits but that is not my point. Let me ask you a question, don't your leaders like blair and your media often talk about the 'moral high ground' of the west while fighting perpetually against the bogeyman? So, according to your statement it's all a big lie, right? You've unwittingly admitted a truth we know all too well. No wonder there is so much inhumanity in this world.

Can you show one example of morality by an nation who had the choice.

There is no morality in this world, why should it then be in international affairs ? National interests matter.

Could you have imagined a US President at loggerheads with the Congress over Iran ?

 

[Mike_Brando]

These indians shouldn't talk of 'morality' after what they have been doing to the Kashmiris or the dalits but that is not my point. Let me ask you a question, don't your leaders like blair and your media often talk about the 'moral high ground' of the west while fighting perpetually against the bogeyman? So, according to your statement it's all a big lie, right? You've unwittingly admitted a truth we know all too well. No wonder there is so much inhumanity in this world.



Then why do you blame Hitler for what he did for his 'New Germany'?




Yet your leaders tell non-western and specially Muslim governments not to spend much in defence, now isn't that outright mean and dirty?



What will the Spanish people say? You heard the man, they occupy part of Morocco in the same way! So, it's a quarrel between two old devils.



Morons like you are the reason why Muslims are at the receiving end of persecution and humiliation!

Ahh,another low life Bangaldeshi beggar,go somewhere else to beg!!You're a country full of beggars and your national profession is begging

 

[SwAggeR]

These indians shouldn't talk of 'morality' after what they have been doing to the Kashmiris or the dalits

Are our Daliits or Kashmiries flocking in your country like once your 10 million refugees did in our's ?? You will get the moral right to talk on their behalf once they do that.Till then keep calm.

And be greatful that we helped you achieve your freedom and still didn't force you to cede your conclaves inside our territory.

 

[mike2000 is back]

"own security"?
Ahh that is a bloody diplomatic gem of a statement .


Look who is lecturing? Greedy british interventionist and colonist policy resulted in untold suffering ,blood shed and enduring animosity across the world. But of course you will defend it by saying might is right.
Truth is bitter mate, but why take it so seriously I just pointed out the fact .

What's wrong with some of you Indians? You really think any of our governments in the west believes in your so called buddist holy peaceful country stuff? Lool Nobody here is a fool/naive. Well at least not us westerners.

We all know India is merely playing a game we have played longgggg before we gave you your independence. Lol India only acts like its a so called peaceful country simply because it doesnt have the capabilities/tech/industrial know how we and the U.S/europe have.

In fact inspite of the fact that India is a poor country, dependent on western and russian military hardware, It has nevertheless invaded and annexed several small states in its neighbourhood like Sikkim, Goa, kashmir,hyderabad etc im not even talking about your involvement in nepal, bengladesh , sri lanka (support tamil tigers anyone) etc etc.

So just because you dont have the capabilities/means to do what you did/are doing in your neighbourhood around the world like the U.K, U.S /West or even Russia(to a lesser extent) doesnt meams you are holy/peaceful or whatever.

So chill my friend, i dont knoe why you have so much hatred towards britain(granted we colonised you,but that was over 70years ago). Today Britain and India have no issues, in fact we cooperate together in quite a few sectors militarily, economically, diplomatically. So calm down.

 

[T-Rex]

You said our leaders tell muslim countries(I dont even know which countries you are talking about.lol) not to spend on defence. Lool well if that indeed serves our interests then why not? Even though i think its the opposite as our leaderswill like them to spend more since they buy most of their weapons from our defence companies anyway. So more money for us.

Your leaders always say that building the ultimate deterrence, the nuclear option, is a waste of money for Musli states like Pakistan and Iran.

And no we dont really blame hitler per se. He did try and expand Germans influence/rule over the world, but he did it in a VERY FOOLISH/AMATEURISH way, so je was doomed from there.

Day and night your government and the media vilify Hitler, western authors have written thousands of books which blame Hitler for all that happened during the WW-II and you say you don't blame Hitler, now that's not very consistent.

Plus, yes Indians,Chinese, Iranians, Russians etc cant talk of morality sibce they too as well are anything but moral.lool As i said every country will alwaus do what it thinks is in its best interests irregardless of what others think. so i dont blame india, china, Russia, Iran or any other country as they too are simply playing the game, i.e doing one thing and blaming others for doing the same, whule acting like they are the most holy of countries and playing the victimhood card, never mentioning all the bad things their own governemnts did/does as well. Lool So its up to others to see things their way. As for me i dont really see whats wrong with that, as i understand the game fully.

Then the west shouldn't blame other countries for trying to acquire the nuclear deterrence, after all, that is the highest form of deterrence against any kind of foreign invasion. But the fact is, these western powers not only blame, they stigmatize, terrorize and even bomb to oblivion certain states that only seek self-interest.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Now enjoy the indian ocean and eat Indian food, we can sacrifice that much for world peace until you guys do naughty things .

Nahhhh......india cant do shit to be honest. Have you ever seen the Indian government complaining about our presence/patrols? By contrast any chinese presence or even just passage is taken very seriously by India and talked about. in short people complain about things they can do something about/handle, not things they cant do anything about.

 

[T-Rex]

Can you show one example of morality by an nation who had the choice.

There is no morality in this world, why should it then be in international affairs ? National interests matter.

Could you have imagined a US President at loggerheads with the Congress over Iran ?

But there is so much crying over 'morality' the way it happened in 1971 as well, that's my point. Since it's all 'national interest' that matters, don't talk like a saint when you see countries like Pakistan or BD or any country doing something wrong. But you don't keep quiet, matter of fact, you talk like the dirtiest sanctimonious bastard that ever crawled on the face of this world.

 

[SwAggeR]

Whats wrong with some of you Indians? You really think any of our governments in the west believes in your so clled buddist holy peaceful country stuff? Lool Nobody here is a fool/naive. Eell at least not us westerners.
We all know India is merely playing a game wr have played longgggg before we gave you your independence. Lol India only acts like its a so called peaceful country simply because it doesnt have the capabilities/tech/industrial know how we and the U.S/europe have.

In fact inspite of the fact that. India is a poor country, dependent on western and russian military hardware, It has nevertheless inavaded and annexed several small states in its neighbourhood like Sikkim, Goa, kashmir,hyderabad etc im not even talking about your involvement in nepal, bengladesh , sri lanka (support tamil tigers anyone) etc etc.

So just because you dont have the caoabilities/means to do what you did/are doing in your neighbourhood around the world like the U.K, U.S /West or eben Russia(to a lesser extent) doesnt meams you are holy/peaceful or whatever. so chill my friend, i dont why you have so much hatred towards britain(granted we colonised you,but thats over 70years ago). Today Britain and India have no issues, in fact we cooperate together on quite a few sectors militarily, economically, diplomatically. So calm down.

Lol we invaded another colonial symbol Portuguese Goa,Hyderabad , Kashmir or for that matter Sikkim ,which willingly merged into India. Old crook is lecturing us .

And we pay you hard cash which goes into your further researches for military equipments you sell. It's not dole out, neither you do that out of good will or being some alliance partner. You arm our adversary too and help ratchet up arms race ,which only benefits your arms industry.

Keep Russia out of it . Speak for yourself.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Your leaders always say that building the ultimate deterrence, the nuclear option, is a waste of money for Musli states like Pakistan and Iran.



Day and night your government and the media vilify Hitler, western authors have written thousands of books which blame Hitler for all that happened during the WW-II and you say you don't blame Hitler, now that's not very consistent.



Then the west shouldn't blame other countries for trying to acquire the nuclear deterrence, after all, that is the highest form of deterrence against any kind of foreign invasion. But the fact is, these western powers not only blame, they stigmatize, terrorize and even bomb to oblivion certain states that only seek self-interest.

As i said, all we do is looking after our intetests like every power out there does.You cant blsme us simply because we have more capabilities than others.
As i said, never blame others for their strength,blame yoyrself for your weakness. Lol. Many of these do called 'holy peaceful' developing countries simply act humble/limit themselves in acting tough in their neighbourhood because they dont have the power/capabilities to do otherwise like we do. A poor/weak man will always act peaceful and hide his true intention, give him wealth and power and see if he remains the same.

So dont blame us. if other countries had the capabilities they would have done the same thing if they could afford to. a good example, just look at 'small poor' vietnam, they invaded and even still have some troops in cambodia and laos, and threatened thailand eith invasion as well, despite their small size and limited power. Im not even talking about Iraq under Saddam etc.

So imagine they had the power and capabilities we in the west/u.s have. Lol so you are blaming us just because we have more capabilities, not because we are evil or whatever floats your boat.