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LOL, get basic high school level understanding of concepts before quoting me next time with your trite wall of texts, you laughable East-Asian nationalist "indian" :lol: Atleast put up the correct flags. You dont have to be so ashamed of your culture. Anyways....

PPP is not about population but rather exchange rate differentials. Literally, a simple google search would have told you that. An Indian making $3k in India per month is better of than an American making $3k in US. That's why nominal comparison does not capture the true prosperity or lack thereof of the citizenry. GDP per capita (PPP) is a better measure, therefore, to judge average prosperity of citizens in any country.



Already explained above in multiple posts. If you cared to take sh!t out of your eyes before needlessly squealing like a puppy, you would not have asked this question.

From my first post in this thread (that you quoted but did not read I guess)

"it's about a healthy balance of economic progress, social preservation, and healthy family demographics"



Turkey is as much of a "backwater" to Europe as China is to Korea lol. Turkey is a high-income country with high HDI and universal literacy. And yes, Korea is economically more developed than Turkey. Again, I already stated that multiple times. Stop embarrassing yourself and first READ my posts without getting hyperventilated you indian-Chinese/Korea/Japanese or whatever the fcuk you are to humiliated to reveal to the world :rolleyes:

Here, quoting myself AGAIN from a previous post that already dealt with your verbal diaherra

Quoting Myself from previous post:


And a resident of india should not even be in this discussion. You are LITERAL sh*thole of the world. The most backward, powerless, conquered, and humiliation people ever. Small Muslim state of Malaysia...which is 4000% smaller than india....DWARFS it in high-tech exports

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Dont quote me high on cow-piss next time (that is, you are actually are an indian which I doubt cuz your posts have been all related to East Asia for some reason :D)



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Having low but healthy fertility is good---but East Asian fertility, esp Korean, is UNHEALTHY and that's the whole point. Korean fertility is 0.84 and that is DISASTROUSLY low for any population, not matter how rich. Nobody is arguing for having a fertility of 6. That's backwards and only extremely poor regions have such fertility (sub-Saharan Africa). My original post was related to how to balance economic development and healthy fertility in society (~2 children per woman on average).

And yes, ALOT of East Asian fertility outcomes have to do with sexual revolution, feminism and its ideas, workism etc----all the concepts imported via Westernization. Even the Chinese guy who gave you a 'like' on your embarrassment of a post accepted it as well.

His own words as he said in a previous post:


Korean girls drink alcohol like its water (one of the highest hard-liquor consumption per capita in the world), premarital sex is normal, having boyfriends instead of husband, delaying marriage and childbirth while living with a sexual partner and what not. These ideas of sexual revolution and feminism conquered Korea and it does play a role in declining birth rate. Its not the only reason, but it is a major one.

Korea isn't alone btw. Entire East Asia is the same. Sexual revolution swept through everywhere except Islamic world (for now).

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"LoW iQ" :rofl::rofl: C'mon, dont be so basic. Put a bit more effort. I feel embarrassed to even reply to a East Asian nationalist child.

Again, your intentional misrepresentation wont do any good here. Nobody is talking about "breeding like rats"....Its about having a balance of health economy, healthy social life, and healthy demographics. India and Turkey already have fertility rate of 2 kids per woman. Middle East is 2.6....These are healthy fertilities (actually a bit lower fertility levels than optimal). "RaTS" :rolleyes:

One-Fact that elucidates my point further: South Korea fell below-replacement fertility rate at ~$5k to $6k GDP per capita (PPP). Turkey fell below-replacement fertility rate at ~$27k GDP per capita (PPP) and India at ~$9k.

Its not to bash Korea. Korea is an amazing country through and through. All I am saying is that Korean miracle was not free of social externalities and that a better, more holistic approach to development can be taken instead of over-focussing on productivity increase. Korea is now spending $180 billion to increase their fertility.

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True, at last coherent thought from you without the needless childish temper. Next time, write your thoughts more cogently and respectfully---you'll be taken more seriously.



LOL, the only reason "Chinese food" became a thing was because AMERICA adopted it and exported it as a cultural phenomenon. You do realize that authentic Chinese food is not what Panda Express sells? Western influence is unmatched, there is no point in arguing it. China's soft power is not even in same universe.

Talking about food culture..... lol

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Literally, nobody gives a sh*t about "K-Boos" or whatever except few teenagers. Moreover, Korean Dramas and K-Pop became famous BECAUSE of their integration into American-cultural export ecosystem. There is a reason K-pop became famous after it got big in US. Same goes for Hip Hop music btw. Without Netflix (American product)---who would have watched K-dramas worldover? Hardly anyone. K-Dramas might be a thing in East/South-East Asia---but elsewhere, its hardly known. Please, ask a random person in Latin America how many of East Asian movies/dramas/music they know that are not streamed on American streaming services? I would give you $100 if they can name even 3

Btw, bringing this post to full circle....Its not Korea or China or whatever that is second to US when it comes to global TV distribution and viewership. Its Turkey :cheesy:

UK's primere newspaper Guardian talking about it in 2019

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Turkish TV series dwarf anything East Asian in markets such as Middle-East, Latin America, Eastern Europe, South-East Asia, and even Russia. These days, Turkish show Ertugrul is being played in Pakistan on national TV and that show has broken rating records. Same thing happened with multiple Turkish shows all over the world. Hardly any East Asian TV series even comes close to this outside of its own region.

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Even President of Venuzuala regarded Turkish series Ertrugrul as his favorite show to watch in a TV interview recently. Imagine the reach. But yeah, your "K-boos" or whatever that nobody gives two sh*ts about. Although, K-Pop does have a very large teenager following, gotta admit :lol:


LOL, get basic high school level understanding of concepts before quoting me next time with your trite wall of texts, you laughable East-Asian nationalist "indian" :lol: Atleast put up the correct flags. You dont have to be so ashamed of your culture. Anyways....

PPP is not about population but rather exchange rate differentials. Literally, a simple google search would have told you that.

Large population leads to a larger share of working-age people ,this surges the inherent demand for money ,leading to the appreciation of ppp exchange rate ,the most evident example of such a scenario is India.
Apparently, your google college of education did a shitty job in even basic economics 101.

An Indian making $3k in India per month is better of than an American making $3k in US. That's why nominal comparison does not capture the true prosperity or lack thereof of the citizenry. GDP per capita (PPP) is a better measure, therefore, to judge average prosperity of citizens in any country.

You are seriously confused.
Korea is ahead of your turkey in gdp per capita by 2x.And average Indian doesn't make even 1/3 of 3k$ to begin with . People in India can live a more economically sound life with 3 k $ , than an American would've with 3k $,but that doesn't mean an Indian can afford the same goods as an American,Indians need to live on Indian version of cheap alternative.It's different.

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I could literally quote my previous post to you in response tor your later tantrum.

The sexual revolution isn't really sweeping anything ,eastern people are super conservative. Inherently closed minded south Asians think, just because easterners are super progressive in mindset and modern in out look ,they have to be openly sexual.That's just the superimposition of their own perverted unrestrained self. SK has some of the lowest rate of babies out of wedlock ,south Korea is behind your turkey in that aspect too.
People can just go and pay an escort if they just wanted sex. Having premarital sex not something that would prevent child birth, babies aren't born from forced insemination by men like your post insinuate, women get pregnant when they want to procreate and copulate without a protection ,upon choice! making babies are a choice for eastern women, maybe it's a far cry concept for someone who write like women are just baby-making machines.

And again,if the Koreans were so insensitive,low in iq and didn't carried any deep considerations about their child's proper and happy upbringing,they would have also bred like in many poorer countries with booming population. They would have dumped babies regardless of whether they would have been able to provide all the vital amenities too.

They actually need to be more western in outlook in terms of women's career support post-pregnancy,so that women can bear babies without fear of losing their career.

LOL, the only reason "Chinese food" became a thing was because AMERICA adopted it and exported it as a cultural phenomenon. You do realize that authentic Chinese food is not what Panda Express sells? Western influence is unmatched, there is no point in arguing it. China's soft power is not even in same universe.

Talking about food culture..... lol

Than,did china paid US to adopt it?
Would the US have adopted it ,as you claimed ,if Chinese food wasn't appealing by itself?

And then you went on spamming some fast-food chain,which doesn't even represent American food;
unless you consider those kfc chicken fries as US food culture export. That's nothing but the outreach of US corporates' deep pocket for expansion.

Turkish TV series dwarf anything East Asian in markets such as Middle-East, Latin America, Eastern Europe, South-East Asia, and even Russia. These days, Turkish show Ertugrul is being played in Pakistan on national TV and that show has broken rating records. Same thing happened with multiple Turkish shows all over the world. Hardly any East Asian TV series even comes close to this outside of its own region.
Turkish drama are literally promoted in urdu and based in Islamic setting ,so of course that would be more pushed in mainstream of Arabic sphere and easier for the uneducated and ignorant masses in nearby Arabic countries and other poorly developed Muslim countries to relate ,when they are looking for some Muslim form of entertainment to hold on.

Even the Turks themselves are filled with koreaboo and weebs, turkey and turkish drama are mainly appealing to just Muslims from other poorer Muslim nations,stop embarrassing yourself .
 
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LOL!!!!! Because Kdramas are so sophisticated? Majority of Kdramas are also overly simplistic, naive and cheesy. Which idiot thinks that a recently famous drama like Crash Landing on You has any complexity or brain to understand? The whole thing looks like it was written out of a woman's fantasy. The only good Kdrama I've seen recently was called My Mister that shows some brilliant writing and character complexity.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7923710/
 
So realistic much sophisticated and definitely not for the uneducated ignorant masses

 
So realistic much sophisticated and definitely not for the uneducated ignorant masses


To watch kdrama,say for someone from India, she has to be fluent in English to read subtitle,and also one have to possess an open curious mind that is able to seek out something from far east, something out of the norm when previously it was only western entertainment that was alternative to local stuff but ignorant minds will only keep her watching same ol Bollywood stuff.
 
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To watch kdrama,say forsomeone from India, she has to be fluent in English to read subtitle,and also one have to possess an open curious mind that is able to seek out something from far east, something out of the norm when previously it was only western entertainment that was alternative to local stuff but ignorant minds will only keep her watching same ol Bollywood stuff.
First of all being fluent in English doesn't mean you are intelligent or sophisticated. 2nd, those dramas are often dubbed into local languages and broadcast-ed on TV. Lastly, none of this counters the fact that most of these dramas are the same generic mass produced crap aimed at simple minded viewers no matter which country they come out from. And that AuZ guy is right because KDramas have adapted some aspects from Hollywood and that's how they managed to stay relatively popular. If you watch CDrama for instance, it's faaaar worse than the average KDrama not just in storyline but also in production quality. So crap that many of them are comparable to crappy Indian dramas at times.

Anyway you are here arguing that Turkish dramas are aimed at uneducated masses while Korean dramas are not which is simply not true because majority of dramas are aimed at not-so-sophisticated viewers regardless of where they come from.
 
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First of all being fluent in English doesn't mean you are intelligent or sophisticated. 2nd, those dramas are often dubbed into local languages and broadcast-ed on TV. Lastly, none of this counters the fact that most of these dramas are the same generic mass produced crap aimed at simple minded viewers no matter which country they come out from. And that AuZ guy is right because KDramas have adopted some aspects from Hollywood and that's how they managed to be relatively popular. If you watch CDrama for instance, it's faaaar worse than the average KDrama not just in storyline but also in production quality. So crap that many of them are comparable to crappy Indian dramas at times.
1ST, I ever said one has to be intelligent and sophisticated?

2ND,hardly any major tv channel in India,arabic nations etc airs dubbed korean drama.
Most avid kdrama fans views the latest dramas online ,meaning those viewers are mostly fluent in English and worldly in perspective.

KDramas have adopted some aspects from Hollywood and that's how they managed to be relatively popular. If you watch CDrama for instance, it's faaaar worse than the average KDrama not just in storyline but also in production quality. So crap that many of them are comparable to crappy Indian dramas at times.
People like you had to credit everything to America .
I'm not even a drama enthusiast,nor I have the patience to watch whole dramas anymore,
but this is probably the last drama that I have managed to watch almost every ep,a year ago I guess.
Watch it and tell with a straight face Chinese drama are crap.The thumbnail is misleading ,this's not a romance /melodrama.
China produces drama at breakneck pace,so most are draggy,to find a decent one is like looking for needle in haystack.
Also ,Chinese drama actually has huge following in India itself, most popular eastern drama in India are probably Chinese -love02,MGIAA,meteor garden.Just look at the comment section of any cdrama in youtube ,90 % comments are" who's from India" of something India related .
Even Korea remakes Chinese drama now
Chinese original
Korean remake

Working age Korean basically grew up watching Chinese wuxia drama and hongkong movies during 90s FYI.
 
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Ah is it great? I heard of great reviews so I wanted to watch it, and also IU. But the first 10 minutes was so boring and it feels like a very slow paced drama...
In my opinion it's a great drama. Yeah it's slow paced but if you invest in the story it gets interesting. It doesn't use any cliches or typical drama tropes and the story is driven by characters not the other way around. In the end turns out to deliver a great message. I would say one of the best written shows that I've seen.
 
1ST, I ever said one has to be intelligent and sophisticated?

2ND,hardly any major tv channel in India,arabic nations etc airs dubbed korean drama.
Most avid kdrama fans views the latest dramas online ,meaning those viewers are mostly fluent in English and worldly in perspective.


People like you had to credit everything to America .
I'm not even a drama enthusiast,nor I have the patience to watch whole dramas anymore,
but this is probably the last drama that I have managed to watch almost every ep,a year ago I guess.
Watch it and tell with a straight face Chinese drama are crap.The thumbnail is misleading ,this's not a romance /melodrama.
China produces drama at breakneck pace,so most are draggy,to find a decent one is like looking for needle in haystack.
Also ,Chinese drama actually has huge following in India itself, most popular eastern drama in India are probably Chinese -love02,MGIAA,meteor garden.Just look at the comment section of any cdrama in youtube ,90 % comments are" who's from India" of something India related .
Even Korea remakes Chinese drama now
Chinese original
Korean remake

Working age Korean basically grew up watching Chinese wuxia drama and hongkong movies during 90s FYI.
You just said Turkish dramas are for uneducated masses and I said Korean dramas are no different. You're saying that if for some reason I watch some popular generic crap like Crash Landing on You which was clearly written out of a woman's fantasy, I am open minded? In the end it was a waste of my time. I only watched out of curiosity but also because I have some interest in Korean film industry but I don't have the same interest for Turkish movies for instance. Also I haven't watched a single Turkish drama so anyone from Turkey can say that I am close minded. The point is the country where the production comes from doesn't matter one bit. It's the quality of the production that matters. If an Indian watches quality Indian movies and dramas then props to that person!

Your problem is you make too many generalizations based on anecdotes that make no sense and I am willing to bet you haven't had a single close East Asian friend which is why you have such a romantic view of them. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to learn from them. For instance, I haven't seen anyone who can stay in the library from 8am to 10pm like my Chinese friends. So these are just qualities to learn but that doesn't mean all of them are some deus ex machina. I also know many Korean women in their late 20s or early 30s acting like a middle school kid and not at all open minded and can't survive alone in the world without being babysitted by parents but then again these are just anecdotes so I avoid making generalizations. I've just seen both good and bad.

Not all Cdramas are crap but majority definitely are. I also watched some episodes of Rise of the Phoenixes which was great.

Anyway this is way too off topic. We should back in the topic.
 
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You just said Turkish dramas are for uneducated masses and I said Korean dramas are no different. You're saying that if for some reason I watch some generic popular crap like Crash Landing on You which was clearly written out of a woman's fantasy, I am open minded? In the end it was a waste of my time. I only watched out of curiosity.

Your problem is you make too many generalizations based on anecdotes that make no sense and I am willing to bet you haven't had a single close East Asian friend which is why you have such a romantic view of them. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to learn from them. For instance, I haven't seen anyone who can stay in the library from 8am to 10pm like my Chinese friends. So these are just qualities to learn but that doesn't mean all of them are some deus ex machina. I also know many Korean women in their late 20s or early 30s acting like a middle school kid and not at all open minded and can't survive alone in the world without being babysitted by parents but then again these are just anecdotes so I avoid making generalizations. I've just seen both good and bad.

Not all Cdramas are crap but majority definitely are. I also watched some episodes of Rise of the Phoenixes which was great.
Save your childish gloating.

And I meant,since Turkish drama are promoted in urdu,even the ignorant(non worldly) and uneducated masses can relate to it.
I prefer not to debate based on baseless assumptions and bigtalk .

Entitled assumptions?South Asians always superimpose their personal bias on others.
I wouldn't like to reveal much about my personal info here but,FYI,I completed my masters in a suburb institute of central china. My uncle is an English professor in Taiwan,my cousins are technically Taiwanese.

I don't live in my hometown now, but you don't realize that manipur/mizoram/nagaland/arunachal region is directly linked to china-myanmar-thailand ,To the people of those regions, the eastern pacific people is normal as air since they have grew up seeing similar people and culture ,nothing to hold fantasy about. Only to south asians like bd/mainland indian/pk/srilankan they may seem different. .We can't distinguish between Chinese or local indigenous people.
You can reach china in matter of few hours from Arunachal,or straight by transit through train to Kunming via Myanmar(5 )hrs, quicker than reaching mainland indian cities like chennai,mumbai.You can also drive straight through the highway in manipur and reach all the way to bangkok to laos .

Just because " India" you assume ,it's like delhi cut off from asia pacific? and hindu?
 
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Save your childish gloating.

And I meant,since Turkish drama are promoted in urdu,even the ignorant(non worldly) and uneducated masses can relate to it.
I prefer not to debate based on baseless assumptions and bigtalk .

Entitled assumptions?South Asians always superimpose their personal bias on others.
I wouldn't like to reveal much about my personal info here but,I completed my masters in a suburb institute of central china. My uncle is an English professor in Taiwan,my cousins are technically Taiwanese.

I don't live in my hometown now, but you don't realize that manipur/mizoram/nagaland/arunachal region was linked to china-myanmar-thailand ,To the people of those regions, the eastern pacific people is normal as air since they have grew up seeing similar people and culture ,nothing to hold fantasy about. Only to

south asians like bd/mainland indian/pk/srilankan they may seem different. .
You can reach china in matter of few hours from Arunachal,or straight by transit through train to Kunming via Myanmar(5 )hrs. quicker than reaching mainland indian cities like chennai,mumbai.You can also drive straight through the highway in manipur and reach all the way to bangkok to laos .

Just because " India" you assume ,it's like delhi cut off from asia pacific?
**** it. literally a waste of time to reply to this crap. Carry on making assumptions based on Youtube comments and type of dramas people watch and economics based on the ticket price of a Kpop concert.#

p.s. i know you are from northeast India and I don't give a shit. All the same to me.
 
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**** it. literally a waste of time to reply to this crap. Carry on making assumptions based on Youtube comments and type of dramas people watch and economics based on the ticket price of a Kpop concert.#

p.s. i know you are from northeast India and I don't give a shit. All the same to me.
There's literally plenty of thesis written on the economic impact and correlation of concerts to local economy.
 
If you keep up the toxic East Asian work culture you’ll have declining birth rates no matter how rich you get. This applies to main land China as well. 996 work culture is the best contraceptive.
 
not all college degrees are the same. liberal arts degrees are worthless for example. Also, by advanced degrees I mean masters or phd. Just let companies decide what they need and set up a H1B system.
To be honest, due to China's culture and mindset, i don't think they can ever similar immigrant system to western countries like the H1B system you mention or even permanent residence for such skilled labour. You have to be aware that even when the CCP tried to barely mention they were trying to look into adopting a more friendly immigration policy for foreigners and tried to judge public opinion on that, they got such a negative reaction and even curses from the Chinese general public that the party had to quickly shelved and cut any such discussion/policy. So to expect them adopt any such policy this century will be far fetched. DIFFERENT CULTURE/HISTORY DIFFERENT MINDSET/POLICIES I GUESS.
I see fewer and fewer high quality coming to Singapore, Japan or Korea. Fresh Graduates in some China university is drawing more than 3k SGD. Right now, you still can see 2.5k graduate salary in job ad in Singapore.

My friends from Qinghua and top schools regret coming Singapore. All of them have stories that their classmate in China now, high ranking officials, businessman or leaders in corporate.

You are from Singapore?
 
Large population leads to a larger share of working-age people ,this surges the inherent demand for money ,leading to the appreciation of ppp exchange rate ,the most evident example of such a scenario is India.
Apparently, your google college of education did a shitty job in even basic economics 101.

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Stop trying mate. Its abundantly clear to anyone with basic high-school macro economics background that you dont know what you are talking about. First thing, larger population does not automatically means larger share of working-age population. Secondly, larger share of working-age population doesn't automatically appreciate your currency unless you are competitive in export markets. That's why india with 1 billion people and higher share of working-age population still has $9k GDP per capita (PPP) while Korea has like $40K with much smaller population AND smaller share of working-age population

Anyways, the whole point was that GDP per capita (PPP) reflects more accurately how an average citizen lives in any country compared to nominal GDP per capita.

You are seriously confused.
Korea is ahead of your turkey in gdp per capita by 2x.


Korean GDP per capita (PPP) is about 45% higher than Turkey, not 2x. Ps, I am not making a claim that Turkey is more developed than Korea. So whats your point?

The sexual revolution isn't really sweeping anything ,eastern people are super conservative. Inherently closed minded south Asians think, just because easterners are super progressive in mindset and modern in out look ,they have to be openly sexual.That's just the superimposition of their own perverted unrestrained self. SK has some of the lowest rate of babies out of wedlock ,south Korea is behind your turkey in that aspect too.
People can just go and pay an escort if they just wanted sex. Having premarital sex not something that would prevent child birth, babies aren't born from forced insemination by men like your post insinuate, women get pregnant when they want to procreate and copulate without a protection ,upon choice! making babies are a choice for eastern women, maybe it's a far cry concept for someone who write like women are just baby-making machines.

And again,if the Koreans were so insensitive,low in iq and didn't carried any deep considerations about their child's proper and happy upbringing,they would have also bred like in many poorer countries with booming population. They would have dumped babies regardless of whether they would have been able to provide all the vital amenities too.

You literally skipped my post and kept yapping same sh!t over and over, eh? Literally no one is talking about making women "baby-making machines" like wtf is wrong with? READ before your emotional diarrhea comes off again on keyboard. Here

"Having low but healthy fertility is good---but East Asian fertility, esp Korean, is UNHEALTHY and that's the whole point. Korean fertility is 0.84 and that is DISASTROUSLY low for any population, not matter how rich. Nobody is arguing for having a fertility of 6. That's backwards and only extremely poor regions have such fertility (sub-Saharan Africa). My original post was related to how to balance economic development and healthy fertility in society (~2 children per woman on average)"

I color marked it so your "low-IQ" autistic brain can comprehend the post better instead of strawman drivel you keep posting and everyone keeps laughing at you and your laughably sad East Asian nationalism :lol:

They actually need to be more western in outlook in terms of women's career support post-pregnancy,so that women can bear babies without fear of losing their career.

Agree


Turkish drama are literally promoted in urdu and based in Islamic setting ,so of course that would be more pushed in mainstream of Arabic sphere and easier for the uneducated and ignorant masses in nearby Arabic countries and other poorly developed Muslim countries to relate ,when they are looking for some Muslim form of entertainment to hold on.

Even the Turks themselves are filled with koreaboo and weebs, turkey and turkish drama are mainly appealing to just Muslims from other poorer Muslim nations,stop embarrassing yourself .

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This is SO embarrassing that even @Uguduwa called out your laughable brainfarts. You did not quote my full post and claimed 'oh Turkish drams are dubbed in Urdu and poor Muslims watch it because similar culture' yada yada.....I LITERALLY posted this in my previous reply that you so cutely ignored :D

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So Russia, Chile, Mexico, Argentina are "poor Muslim countries" with "Arabic culture" now? :cheesy: One Turkish show literally received 12 million viewers on average in Argentina....and your point is "Well Turkish shows are only for uneducated Arab masses"?? :lol:

Your arse-licking of East Asia is getting embarrassing now....and its embarrassing for East Asians as well, I am sure. Korean dramas are as basic as they come. The most famous Korean Drama on Netflix is "Crash landing on you" and its literally a chick flick with ZERO nuance or conflict-resolution plot. Heck, there is LITERALLY no character development there (I finished it btw. Its a good show, no hate. But not 'sophisticated' at all). Compared to complex Turkish series like The Pit or Ertugrul, Crash Landing is like a highschool teenage play.

I am sure there are Korean dramas that are more deep and Turkish dramas that are basic like Crash landing. You even bringing this point is literally embarrassing. Please dont quote me now. I cant reply to someone that has an intellectual level of a 7th grader WWE fangirl
 
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