South China Sea Forum

[Abacin]

The problem of Obama is that he had never managed a business or a city/town before he became the president. He simply has no business sense. he is a peaceful president, but he increases much more US debts than war president Bush. He even cannot let Philippine, Vietnam or Japan to pay the SCS sailing bill. The first Bush even let Saudia and Japan pay the first gulf war bill. Japan even wants to cut the bills on US bases in Japan.

 

[TaiShang]

The problem of Obama is that he had never managed a business or a city/town before he became the president. He simply has no business sense. he is a peaceful president, but he increases much more US debts than war president Bush. He even cannot let Philippine, Vietnam or Japan to pay the SCS sailing bill. The first Bush even let Saudia and Japan pay the first gulf war bill. Japan even wants to cut the bills on US bases in Japan.

Good points, indeed.

Japan seeks to cut spending on US military bases – report — RT News

The question is, can VN and PH foot the bill of US expenses like Japan does -- and even Japan is now complaining?

 

[terranMarine]

Good points, indeed.

Japan seeks to cut spending on US military bases – report — RT News

The question is, can VN and PH foot the bill of US expenses like Japan does -- and even Japan is now complaining?

South Korea has been complaining too a while ago

 

[Hyperion]

Wrong timing on China's part. The move was at least 10 years premature. Whatever the case, one thing everyone can be sure of is that Pentagon will end up fvcking themselves in the ***.......

 

[Srinivas]

The whole scenario is like a mouse has entered into a mouse trap covered 3 sides and US has maneuvered it self to be a hunter in that area.

 

[dichoi]

USA has good chance to enter in to SCS dispute. In fact , stupid Chinese invited USA back to Asia.

 

[Abacin]

Wrong timing on China's part. The move was at least 10 years premature. Whatever the case, one thing everyone can be sure of is that Pentagon will end up fvcking themselves in the ***.......

You never have perfect timing. Your rival will never let you have perfect timing. China has prepared SCS movements more than 50 years, starting with 1974 recovery of Xisha islands, 1988 part of nasha islands. China has long planned to militarize SCS as the first step towards deep blue sea naval power. US clearly knew it. But it was busy at Russia in 1990s and Mideast in 2000s. As soon as US had the spare power, US took the step for pivotal to Asia to contain China. China quickly took the chance to militarize SCS with long prepared resources and technology. Both US and China are very smart players in SCS. But US is way over expanded. If it took pivotal to Asia in 1990s, China would lose shirts. The over expansion of US powers gave China precious extra 20 years' time and cost US huge precious resources. I bet that even US knows that it will lose SCS and Taiwan to China. It is simply asking China to offer a good price, such as more opening Chinese market to US companies and more US interests in China.

 

[mike jones]

I don't think its really a threat. US knows that this is their usual routine path. Chinese islands never existed according to the US.

 

[Abacin]

USA has good chance to enter in to SCS dispute. In fact , stupid Chinese invited USA back to Asia.

It was long planned by USA. USA will come to SCS at any excuse. Just like that it can fake an excuse to occupy Iraq for its great Mideast strategy. USA is very good geopolitical player. it plays according to its geopolitical plan to become the forever sole superpower in this planet by destroying all complete industrial systems. US will become the sole complete industrial system while all others are dependent industrial systems such as Japan. It planed to dismember Russia in 1990s and dismember China in 2000s. Putin came out and helped the survival of Russia. If Putin didn't win chechen war, Russia might have become another Soviet with more and more republics leaving Russia, just as Gorbechev lose to independent movement in Baltic republic. Bin laden helped China and gave China 10 precious years. Otherwise US would choose China first instead of mid east.

US has prepared many cards such taiwan independence, East Turkestan, Tibet independence, South Mongolia independence for dismembering China. All of them are well coordinated by CIA.

Bush was really ambitious. He wanted to establish solid US bases in from Central Asia to Mid-East. These bases will provide solid support to separation movements in Russia caucasian republics and Xinjiang and Tibet separatists. It will also cut any connections between China and Russia and allow USA to eat China or Russia one by one. If both China and Russia were finished, in this planet, USA is the only country with complete industrial systems. All other countries can only work on part of industrial jobs at the order of USA. Japan is one solid example. It only can work on areas USA allows it to work on.

That's why even Europe didn't support Bush's Mid-East strategy. This threatens Europe's industrial freedom.

SCS has become the most critical area in this world now. All major powers are happily watching China and United States having head-to-head conflicts. Europe has never enjoyed such a great freedom in foreign policy. It can openly object to US foreign policy now. Russia can take Crimea freely and start to come to Mid-East since most of US resources are dragged by China in SCS and ECS.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Great news, this will stop the vietnamese pirates from abusing natural resources in South China Sea.

Natural resources are nice.

 

[LeslieEngel]

I am happy to be a part this discussion.

 

[Abacin]

As long as China holds on USA in SCS, more and more countries will come to help China. Europe, Russia, even India and Japan will help China publicly or stealthily. Japan gains more and more independence from USA with China-USA. All of these countries want China to drag on USA so that they can gain freedom from US control or pressures.

All it takes to drag the US into the Middle East as comprehensively as it was in the 2000s is yet another terror attack, this time by ISIS or other US-supported/terrorist groups.

If Al Qaeda could pull out 9/11, ISIS is more capable of doing so, this time probably through home-terrorists (US-based terrorists)

This may easily give China some extra needs. In my view, we need a favorable regional/global situation until the 2020s.

Then the game is over for the US.

ISIS is created by USA. Since USA cannot hold on Mid-East, USA doesn't want major powers of IRan, Russia to fill the vacuum. ISIS's job is simply to keep the mid-east from other powers for USA so that USA can shift its power to take on China. But Putin forms Russia-IRan-Syria alliance and determine to fill the vacuum. Now USA is really having headache now. It is considering to take on ISIS by ground forces to avoid Russia take-up. USA war on two fronts is really crazy. Only inexperienced president such as Obama can do it.

Obama has no business sense, no executable strategy. From domestic healthcare, debt reduction to foreign policy, nothing has a solid strategy.

 

[terranMarine]

After Soviet Union went bankrupt it was Yugoslavia's turn to fall. The Americans could have been behind the Tienanmen protest. But the war in Afghanistan and Iraq gave China precious time indeed and for that we owe them a big thank. Americans wanted to cripple Russia with Georgia, Ukraine and then Syria but to no avail. Taiwan and HK are lost cause too and Tibet separation plan failed thanks to our genius Mao. Iran would not be safe either had Syria fallen.

US wanted to f*ck Libya and Syria as a result EU is screwd with those refugees. The more reason for Europeans to join AIIB. The connectivity between China and EU through the silk road can only receive positive reactions from all the involved parties and the US is the one being left out. That's why the UK desperately wants to be China's best friend. The British and Aussies sure are smart to stay away from the SCS conflict

One thing is for sure, the US does not have the resources to take on both Russia, ME and China. If the pivot to Asia is gonna take priority our Russian buddies will fill in the vacancy. The simple minded Viets and Pinoys are too dumb to see this. Even if the US now meddles with SCS nothing will change for them, they are mere pawns in American world domination plan.

With these pieces on the board, the "axis of evil" countries are gonna fry the yankees

 

[BuddhaPalm]

China naval chief says minor incident could spark war in South China Sea - Yahoo News

 

[TaiShang]

As long as China holds on USA in SCS, more and more countries will come to help China. Europe, Russia, even India and Japan will help China publicly or stealthily. Japan gains more and more independence from USA with China-USA. All of these countries want China to drag on USA so that they can gain freedom from US control or pressures.


ISIS is created by USA. Since USA cannot hold on Mid-East, USA doesn't want major powers of IRan, Russia to fill the vacuum. ISIS's job is simply to keep the mid-east from other powers for USA so that USA can shift its power to take on China. But Putin forms Russia-IRan-Syria alliance and determine to fill the vacuum. Now USA is really having headache now. It is considering to take on ISIS by ground forces to avoid Russia take-up. USA war on two fronts is really crazy. Only inexperienced president such as Obama can do it.

Obama has no business sense, no executable strategy. From domestic healthcare, debt reduction to foreign policy, nothing has a solid strategy.

Nonetheless, it would not be a first if the ghost of blowback made a brutal return, this time clad in ISIS clothes rather than some Saudi trainees with stationary knives. Even loyalty to the US is not a guarantee that they would come back one day and decide to bomb you in pieces. ISIS would at least try to bite the hand if the US strikes really start to hurt. This is becoming a likelihood, in fact, especially after Russia joined the game. US can no longer stealthily support the ISIS and various other terrorist groups with different hues of color -- from light green to dark black.

I wonder what would be the implications if an ISIS-led incident happens in the US.