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Asean to China: Stop raising tension at sea
By Aurea Calica (The Philippine Star) | Updated May 12, 2014 - 12:00am

NAYPYIDAW – Taking off from the joint statement of the foreign ministers, leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) declared yesterday that all parties to the South China Sea dispute must stop raising tensions in the area, amid China’s more aggressive actions to assert its claim.

The Naypyidaw Declaration on Realization of the ASEAN Community by 2015 said ASEAN leaders agreed to “strengthen cooperation” for the implementation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) in accordance with universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), “especially calling on parties to exercise self-restraint and non-use of force.”

The leaders also said parties must “refrain from taking actions that would escalate tension and to work toward an early conclusion of the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea as reflected in the ASEAN’s Six-Point Principles on the South China Sea.”

They also agreed to promote and uphold the rule of law in the conduct of relations, including the peaceful resolution of disputes.

This has been the pitch of President Aquino as the Philippines went to the arbitral tribunal to peacefully settle the country’s maritime dispute with China.

Gunboat diplomacy

Some leaders spoke boldly about the need for ASEAN to unite and ensure that it would not become an insignificant force in the face of challenges.

In a press briefing at the Myanmar International Convention Center here, Presidential Communications Operations Office Secretary Herminio Coloma Jr. said Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono manifested that “there should be no room for the use of gunboat diplomacy” because what should be promoted is “peaceful means of settling disputes” by following the UNCLOS and the DOC.

In international politics, gunboat diplomacy or “big stick diplomacy” in US history means having conspicuous displays of naval power to help the pursuit of foreign policy objectives, implying or constituting a direct threat of warfare, if the terms of negotiations will not be agreeable to the superior force.

In his extemporaneous remarks following his prepared statement, Yudhoyono, who was congratulated by many of his fellow heads of states as he was completing his second two-year term of office as Indonesian president, emphasized the need for ASEAN solidarity, Coloma said.

“He called on the members of ASEAN to show moral courage and he spoke after the president of Vietnam also called on ASEAN solidarity for following the rule of law,” Coloma said.

Coloma said Malaysian President Najib Razak also called for “concrete demonstration of ASEAN solidarity in terms of promoting adherence to the rule of law” and display moral strength even in the face of “daunting situations.”

“He said that this is the way by which ASEAN could project itself as a respectable and reliable organization,” Coloma added.

“We will notice that Malaysia, like the Philippines, is also involved in disputes over maritime domain in the South China Sea. We are aware that Vietnam is contesting certain actions taken against it in the South China Sea,” he said.

Coloma said Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang called for an end to the “brazen attacks” in the South China Sea and urged ASEAN to continue to work for unity and solidarity.

In the plenary session of the leaders, Coloma said several heads of state expressed support for following the rule of law and peaceful settlement of disputes, which had been the key concepts promoted by the Philippines in past meetings of ASEAN.

“We will recall that in the middle of 2012, the Foreign Minister’s Meeting failed to come up with a communiqué. But in December 2012, on the prodding of President Aquino, there was agreement that ASEAN should start fleshing out the declaration on the conduct of parties involved in the South China Sea disputes. And from then on, there has been significant progress in terms of attaining support for the positions taken by the government,” Coloma said.

Big step

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said the foreign ministers’ statement on Saturday, even without directly mentioning China, was a significant step forward in the context of the dynamics of ASEAN.

When a similar foreign ministers meeting was held in Cambodia two years ago, they failed to come up with a joint communiqué because of an impassé over whether or not to mention the South China Sea conflict.

Coloma said it was the Vietnamese that raised the recent developments in the South China Sea, which rolled over and led to the issuance of the foreign ministers’ joint statement.

Foreign ministers expressed serious concerns and called for restraint amid China’s incursions in the South China Sea, as the grouping faced criticisms that it could not stand up for its members getting bullied by Beijing.

No more moratorium

President Aquino, for his part, pushed vigorously yesterday for the ASEAN member-countries’ full integration rather than promote the status quo amid challenges in the South China Sea, poverty in the region, disasters and climate change that could reverse economic gains.

“We call for a review of the current policy of moratorium,” Aquino said, adding they should devise ways and means for ASEAN to expand development and dialogue cooperation with other interested states, regions and multilateral organizations that were in “a position to contribute to our community-building efforts.”

The President also called anew for adherence to the rule of law without directly mentioning the territorial dispute with China.

“We stand firm in our belief – a belief shared by all – that the rule of law is key in fostering a climate of stability, one that allows our societies and our people to flourish. As such, we look forward to working with our colleagues and partners in this summit toward enhancing our engagements in promoting the rule of law,” Aquino said in his intervention during the ASEAN Summit Plenary held at the Ruby Hall of the Myanmar International Convention Center here on external relations and future directions of ASEAN as a group.

“It is only natural that ASEAN seeks to engage more of the world in its pursuit of inclusive growth and integration. Perhaps the time has come to study ways on how best to do this efficiently – for instance, in engaging with others as regional blocs, instead of as individual nations,” Aquino said.

The President expressed belief ASEAN member-countries shared the advocacy of an outward-looking grouping with a more “inclusive perspective” in relating with dialogue partners, as well as those wishing to engage with ASEAN more comprehensively and openly.

He said without doubt, ASEAN had achieved much in the past 46 years, but “much more remains to be done.”

As leaders who envision the sustained progress, peace and stability of their respective nations and of ASEAN, Aquino said they would now have to deal with the challenge of exploring all avenues that could help them realize their vision.

“An ASEAN that envisions itself to be people-centered and people-oriented must be bold in harnessing innovation and existing ties to fully develop a regional organization that is composed of a more empowered citizenry,” Aquino said.

Meanwhile, Aquino also said he was looking forward to prospects for greater economic development once ASEAN integration had taken place, which would include greater facilitation of goods, services and persons.

Asean to China: Stop raising tension at sea | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
 
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for now yes but things are gonna change drastically in next 10 years,,,if u don't realize it then well u have no right to be on this forum

:lol: I been waiting for 10 years for India to change and yet its still the same old India.

Don't make the mistake of bragging on things not happen yet. It's fatal mistake!
 
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China poachers charged; turtles returned to sea
By Edu Punay (The Philippine Star) | Updated May 12, 2014 - 12:00am

MANILA, Philippines - The 11 Chinese fishermen caught poaching off Half Moon Shoal in the disputed Spratly Islands were criminally charged before the Puerto Princesa City prosecutor’s office last Friday, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has confirmed.

This developed as the Philippine National Police (PNP) maritime group in Palawan released back into the wild 177 sea turtles seized from the fishing vessel of the alleged poachers.

Prosecutor General Claro Arellano, chief of the DOJ’s prosecutorial arm, said yesterday that the complaint of the arresting officers of the PNP maritime group was docketed last Friday but the proceedings were postponed.

“The PNP brought the Chinese poachers last Friday for inquest. But they had no lawyer and interpreter,” Arellano said.

He said the Chinese fishermen did not want to be represented by the public attorneys being provided to them during the hearing.

“The prosecutor asked them to come back on Monday. But the case was docketed for inquest so it’s considered filed,” he said.

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It was learned that investigating provincial prosecutor Allen Ross Rodriguez also required the PNP to present the evidence, including the fishermen’s vessel and the sea turtles seized from them.

Arellano confirmed that the PNP filed the complaint against the Chinese fishermen for violation of Republic Act 8550 (Fisheries Code), particularly Section 87 or poaching in Philippine waters and Section 97 or fishing or taking of rare, threatened or endangered species; and R.A. 9147 (Wildlife Resources Conservation and Protection Act).

The charges are bailable, he said.

Rodriguez said that another case involving the fishermen’s illegal entry in the country may prompt the Bureau of Immigration to hold their departure.

He said the vessel will be subjected to inventory by the Palawan Council for Sustainable Development.

The Chinese government earlier demanded the release of their fishermen.

But the Palace said it would proceed with the prosecution of the arrested poachers, insisting they had trespassed into the country’s exclusive economic zone.

Up to DFA

DOJ Secretary Leila de Lima, for her part, said she would leave the issue involving China’s demand to the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA).

“At this point, it’s the DFA that should address the matter so as not to further fuel any tension with China. I know the DFA is working on it,” she said yesterday.

“We have our own UNCLOS (United Convention on the Law of the Sea). We have our own laws like R.A. 8550,” she said.

The alleged poachers, who had been taken to the provincial police office in Palawan for custody, were visited by the Chinese consul.

Sought for comment, the Chinese official refused to give any statement.

Slaughtered, stuffed

The 177 sea turtles released back into the wild by the PNP maritime group were part of the 555 endangered marine mammals that police maritime patrollers found in the vessel of the Chinese fishermen last week.

“As per inventory, out of the 555 sea turtles that were recovered, only 177 were found alive, while the rest were dead. Two hundred seven of them were slaughtered and stuffed,” the maritime group said in its report.

Seventy-five sea turtle shells were also found in the seized fishing vessel.

Propaganda tool

Meanwhile, an opposition lawmaker yesterday lambasted China for turning the poaching incident involving its nationals into a major diplomatic issue to bolster its claim over the West Philippine Sea.

“Whichever way China packages the issue, it cannot hide the fact that Chinese nationals were caught conducting illegal activities in Philippine waters,” Kabataan party-list Rep. Terry Ridon said.

Ridon said China is exploiting the poaching incident to advance its propaganda about its absurd nine-dash line claim.

“It is illogical to say that the arrest of the Chinese nationals is a ‘premeditated provocative action’ on the part of the Philippines. Philippine officials were only exercising their police power in our exclusive economic zone when they made the arrests,” he said.

He added that asking the Philippine government to release the poachers without prosecution is tantamount to saying that China is condoning their illegal activities.

“Chinese officials should stop making absurd statements and claims and focus on the facts of the incident,” the lawmaker said.

Ridon urged the Aquino administration to file a diplomatic protest regarding the latest incident of Chinese incursion in Philippine waters. – With Jaime Laude, Paolo Romero

China poachers charged; turtles returned to sea | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
 
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like children playing water. but the chinese have more vessels than ours.

what comes next?

I suggest the chinese catch some fresh fish and throw it to our vessel. so we have some fresh fish for the dinner.


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like children playing water. but the chinese have more vessels than ours.

what comes next?

I suggest the chinese catch some fresh fish and throw it to our vessel. so we have some fresh fish for the dinner.


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spend more money to build or buy more vessels for playing water with us. Go and do it
 
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I thought Chinese don't bebieve western media !?
ASEAN countries don't want Chinese upset, they don't want rise tension, so no need to condemn or accused China.

Chinese Government spokeman said in Press conference: "There's no clash between Vietnam and Chinese on SCS"
But ASEAN announce it clear: " Yes, there is"

Chinese delusion boys are no need to believe the fact in real world.

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NAYPYIDAW – Taking off from the joint statement of the foreign ministers, leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) declared yesterday that all parties to the South China Sea dispute must stop raising tensions in the area, amid China’s more aggressive actions to assert its claim.

The Naypyidaw Declaration on Realization of the ASEAN Community by 2015 said ASEAN leaders agreed to “strengthen cooperation” for the implementation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) in accordance with universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), “especially calling on parties to exercise self-restraint and non-use of force.”

The leaders also said parties must “refrain from taking actions that would escalate tension and to work toward an early conclusion of the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea as reflected in the ASEAN’s Six-Point Principles on the South China Sea.”

They also agreed to promote and uphold the rule of law in the conduct of relations, including the peaceful resolution of disputes.

This has been the pitch of President Aquino as the Philippines went to the arbitral tribunal to peacefully settle the country’s maritime dispute with China.

Gunboat diplomacy

Some leaders spoke boldly about the need for ASEAN to unite and ensure that it would not become an insignificant force in the face of challenges.

In a press briefing at the Myanmar International Convention Center here, Presidential Communications Operations Office Secretary Herminio Coloma Jr. said Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono manifested that “there should be no room for the use of gunboat diplomacy” because what should be promoted is “peaceful means of settling disputes” by following the UNCLOS and the DOC.

In international politics, gunboat diplomacy or “big stick diplomacy” in US history means having conspicuous displays of naval power to help the pursuit of foreign policy objectives, implying or constituting a direct threat of warfare, if the terms of negotiations will not be agreeable to the superior force.

In his extemporaneous remarks following his prepared statement, Yudhoyono, who was congratulated by many of his fellow heads of states as he was completing his second two-year term of office as Indonesian president, emphasized the need for ASEAN solidarity, Coloma said.

“He called on the members of ASEAN to show moral courage and he spoke after the president of Vietnam also called on ASEAN solidarity for following the rule of law,” Coloma said.

Coloma said Malaysian President Najib Razak also called for “concrete demonstration of ASEAN solidarity in terms of promoting adherence to the rule of law” and display moral strength even in the face of “daunting situations.”

“He said that this is the way by which ASEAN could project itself as a respectable and reliable organization,” Coloma added.

“We will notice that Malaysia, like the Philippines, is also involved in disputes over maritime domain in the South China Sea. We are aware that Vietnam is contesting certain actions taken against it in the South China Sea,” he said.

Coloma said Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang called for an end to the “brazen attacks” in the South China Sea and urged ASEAN to continue to work for unity and solidarity.

In the plenary session of the leaders, Coloma said several heads of state expressed support for following the rule of law and peaceful settlement of disputes, which had been the key concepts promoted by the Philippines in past meetings of ASEAN.

“We will recall that in the middle of 2012, the Foreign Minister’s Meeting failed to come up with a communiqué. But in December 2012, on the prodding of President Aquino, there was agreement that ASEAN should start fleshing out the declaration on the conduct of parties involved in the South China Sea disputes. And from then on, there has been significant progress in terms of attaining support for the positions taken by the government,” Coloma said.

Big step

Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said the foreign ministers’ statement on Saturday, even without directly mentioning China, was a significant step forward in the context of the dynamics of ASEAN.

When a similar foreign ministers meeting was held in Cambodia two years ago, they failed to come up with a joint communiqué because of an impassé over whether or not to mention the South China Sea conflict.

Coloma said it was the Vietnamese that raised the recent developments in the South China Sea, which rolled over and led to the issuance of the foreign ministers’ joint statement.

Foreign ministers expressed serious concerns and called for restraint amid China’s incursions in the South China Sea, as the grouping faced criticisms that it could not stand up for its members getting bullied by Beijing.

No more moratorium

President Aquino, for his part, pushed vigorously yesterday for the ASEAN member-countries’ full integration rather than promote the status quo amid challenges in the South China Sea, poverty in the region, disasters and climate change that could reverse economic gains.

“We call for a review of the current policy of moratorium,” Aquino said, adding they should devise ways and means for ASEAN to expand development and dialogue cooperation with other interested states, regions and multilateral organizations that were in “a position to contribute to our community-building efforts.”

The President also called anew for adherence to the rule of law without directly mentioning the territorial dispute with China.

“We stand firm in our belief – a belief shared by all – that the rule of law is key in fostering a climate of stability, one that allows our societies and our people to flourish. As such, we look forward to working with our colleagues and partners in this summit toward enhancing our engagements in promoting the rule of law,” Aquino said in his intervention during the ASEAN Summit Plenary held at the Ruby Hall of the Myanmar International Convention Center here on external relations and future directions of ASEAN as a group.

“It is only natural that ASEAN seeks to engage more of the world in its pursuit of inclusive growth and integration. Perhaps the time has come to study ways on how best to do this efficiently – for instance, in engaging with others as regional blocs, instead of as individual nations,” Aquino said.

The President expressed belief ASEAN member-countries shared the advocacy of an outward-looking grouping with a more “inclusive perspective” in relating with dialogue partners, as well as those wishing to engage with ASEAN more comprehensively and openly.

He said without doubt, ASEAN had achieved much in the past 46 years, but “much more remains to be done.”

As leaders who envision the sustained progress, peace and stability of their respective nations and of ASEAN, Aquino said they would now have to deal with the challenge of exploring all avenues that could help them realize their vision.

“An ASEAN that envisions itself to be people-centered and people-oriented must be bold in harnessing innovation and existing ties to fully develop a regional organization that is composed of a more empowered citizenry,” Aquino said.

Meanwhile, Aquino also said he was looking forward to prospects for greater economic development once ASEAN integration had taken place, which would include greater facilitation of goods, services and persons.

Asean to China: Stop raising tension at sea
 
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Your comment suggest if India have territory dispute with Pakistan then Pakistan will understand the situation Vietnam in, Pakistan fought a war in Kasmir region they believe India illegal occupied Kasmir region. Pakistan will never support Vietnam against China that for sure.
No, I mean "nine dash line" funny bullshit.
Pakistan is only a hypothesis.
I want to know How Pakistanis will react if they see a claim "nine dash line" on their waters like as the picture.
you understand?
 
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You must be joking, right? South vn practiced capitalism, why didn't the north vn keep it???
Why is the North have to keep all? What to keep and what not is their freedom. Now Chinese also even want to intervene that?

Whether Zhenghe found those islands on his seven voyages is not that important. China has traded with South Asia, Indian continents, even Arabs long before Ming Dynasty. We have been there long before Zhenghe time.

BTW, China officially never simply based her claims on Zhenghe at all. So do not use hearsays here.
If so, the Vietnamese even had been there longer, based on the fact at first, the ancient Chinese kingdoms was very far to the north, far from the South China Sea coast, why the ancient Viet kingdoms is always bordering with the sea.[/quote]

BTW, we know vn wants to use frogmen to infiltrate. You have been warned. We have every military equipments, special forces including frogmen as well.

You want to escalate, China will gladly to take your offer. Every loss China takes, we will make sure we returns at least 10 times. You don't trust me, well, let's check reality afterwards.
This just proves how violent and rude Chinese are. Always use violence power to threat others :)) (This implies how illegal the occupation is)
 
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PM Dung's Full Remarks at 24th ASEAN Summit

VGP - PM Nguyen Tan Dung on May 11 delivered his remarks at the 24th ASEAN Summit held in in Nay Pyi Taw, Myanmar.

Excellency President U Thein Sein, Chair of ASEAN Summit 2014,

Your Majesty,

Colleagues,

At the outset, Viet Nam would like to thank Myanmar for the hospitality and congratulate the country on its assumption of the ASEAN Chair for the first time. Myanmar always has Viet Nam’s support and cooperation in making its ASEAN Chair 2014 a success.

In accordance with our Meeting’s agenda, we wish to share some ideas as follows:

1. On regional peace and security

Viet Nam wishes to give a briefing on and underline the East Sea issue.

Peace, stability, maritime security and safety, and freedom of navigation and aviation in the East Sea, which is the common interest of ASEAN, the region and the world are under a serious threat. Since May 1st 2014, China brazenly moved its deep-water drilling rig escorted by over 80 armed and military vessels and many airplanes to the Vietnamese waters and installed the rig at the location which is 80 miles deep into the Vietnamese continental shelf and exclusive economic zone prescribed by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (1982 UNCLOS). China’s armed vessels escorting aggressively fired high-power water cannons at and intentionally rammed the Vietnamese public-service and civil ships, causing damage to many ships and injuring many people on board. This is the first time China brazenly brings and installs its drilling rig deep into the continental shelf and exclusive economic zone of an ASEAN country, which gravely violates the international law, the 1982 UNCLOS, and the Declaration on the conducts of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) to which China is a signatory. This extremely dangerous action has been and is directly threatening peace, stability and maritime security and safety in the East Sea.
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Prime Minister Website | PM Dung's Full Remarks at 24th ASEAN Summit - PM Dung's Full Remarks at 24th ASEAN Summit




Southeast Asia Ministers Urge Self-Restraint on Sea Spat
By Chris Blake May 12, 2014 3:17 PM GMT+0700

Southeast Asian nations called for self-restraint on territorial disputes in the South China Sea as tensions escalate over China’s pursuit of its claims to large swaths of the resource-rich region.

Leaders called on all parties to “refrain from taking actions that would further escalate tension,” in a statement issued at the end of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations meeting yesterday in Naypyidaw in Myanmar. They called for progress on a code of conduct that would seek to preserve freedom of navigation in the area, through which some of the world’s busiest shipping lanes run.

Disputes are mounting as Asian neighbors push back against Chinese moves to assert control over the maritime areas. Its placement of an oil rig near the disputed Paracel Islands led last week to clashes between Vietnamese and Chinese boats, while the Philippines detained 11 Chinese fisherman in a contested area. Vietnamese protested in several cities yesterday against China’s actions.

The escalation risks spilling over to separate territorial disputes between Japan and China in the East China Sea. Russia has recently stepped up air patrols around parts of North Asia, adding to the pressure.

Southeast Asia Ministers Urge Self-Restraint on Sea Spat - Bloomberg
 
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China has been around for more than 2000 years and SCS has been China's fishing grounds for thousands of years. During the period when China was weak and invaded by foreign powers, any country could jump in and get a piece of China. Now we just have to get those back piece by piece, just like HongKong, Macau and etc.

For those bastards who can turn their guns to the people who have helped them for decades, I really have no interest wasting my time talking to people like you.

Just like what I have said, China will respond to threat properly. We are not afraid of any threats.You want to use frogmen, we will counter that with ours. You want to use any type of weapons, we will use ours that are better, faster and more accurate.

You want to intimidate us by putting a lot of boats there. We will put more, larger and faster ships there countering that as well.

You want to use planes, missiles for next move, well, we China has plenty.

At the end of day, nobody is going to be with you. Don't trust me, as I have said many times, let reality check the facts later.

BTW, there are plenty of results to be checked already for the past, which all said clearly, at the end of day, between China and vn, nobody wants to directly be against China for the sake of vn.

As for the closeness part, that is NOT even worthwhile for me to debate with you. You should have already known how absurd that is.

Why is the North have to keep all? What to keep and what not is their freedom. Now Chinese also even want to intervene that?


If so, the Vietnamese even had been there longer, based on the fact at first, the ancient Chinese kingdoms was very far to the north, far from the South China Sea coast, why the ancient Viet kingdoms is always bordering with the sea.


This just proves how violent and rude Chinese are. Always use violence power to threat others :)) (This implies how illegal the occupation is)
 
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By your lies,China has not assisted vn after 1972???

As pointed out, the support for VN is plainly a trade, not a help. Support to stop the battlefield outside the boundary, support to set a debt, support to separate VN from Soviet Union.
And after war, China demanded VN to pay a lot of rice for that support.
Even further, concerns for U.S. is the only reason why China sent so much help to vn, risked fighting U.S. again not that long ago for korean war, to support vn???
Risked fighting US? Where? Any battlefield with US inside China territory? No. And the Nixon visit agreement is a fighting? :))
Why don't you tell me any other countries that have done that to protect a smaller country risking fighting an all-front war with one of the Superpower???

Protect? Who are the one who take advantage of a "big country" to force VN to separate North and South in Geneva 1954? Just the separation offered more chance for US to enter VN.
Without China's protection, your northern vn would have been bombed to stone ages.
Without agreement between Nixon and Mao, there wouldn't be the bomb in 1972 to the North, or there wouldn't be the separation from Geneva 1954.

China has been around for more than 2000 years and SCS has been China's fishing grounds for thousands of years.
At that time, ancient China was in the north of Yangtze river, ancient Vietnam has been always in the coastal and you claimed Chinese fished there? What a clueless argument :))
 
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