South China Sea Forum

[Zero_wing]

Sure sure whatever child.

 

[Fsjal]

Your president said you will be back at Huang Yan Island when weather conditions turns better, why not now? Cause it is not yours at the very beginning?

Reed table mount is also belonging to PRC, we will take it back any time from now.

What so important about Reed Table Mount?
If Philippines discovered some Rare Earth Material there China would be the first to send their warships to the area.

 

[Zero_wing]

What so important about Reed Table Mount?
If Philippines discovered some Rare Earth Material there China would be the first to send their warships to the area.

Sir please read one we are following UNCLOS two we are island country we are claim only what is under our control and nothing more were are not claim a whole sea (china's nine dash claim) which all experts agree is well down stupid? No nation has done what china is claiming so please stop using Australia flag or my country flag you chinese troll use your own or are you ashamed of your own flag? Beside using peoples flags is one of the very lowest of Insults i believe you are better than that if your not (if am wrong) then you are really uncivilized troll.

 

[帅的一匹]

How do you know he is a falseflagger? Or you are just falsify the story? We will control the table mount Island in order to protect our soverign integrity.

 

[Zero_wing]

How do you know he is a falseflagger? Or you are just falsify the story? We will control the table mount Island in order to protect our soverign integrity.

Yup because hes chinese using an Aussie (sorry for the real Australians) and Philippine flag the lowest action one can take really bad play but only civilized people know, Man why am telling you this your potty mouth of course your uncivilized.

 

[Fsjal]

Yup because hes chinese using an Aussie (sorry for the real Australians) and Philippine flag the lowest action one can take really bad play but only civilized people know, Man why am telling you this your potty mouth of course your uncivilized.

If I am a false flagger then you are one. Actually everyone here in PDF is one.

How do you know he is a falseflagger? Or you are just falsify the story? We will control the table mount Island in order to protect our soverign integrity.

He is just insecure maybe? I don't know but he could be.

 

[cirr]

CMS 8002（1st of the thirty-six 1000-tonne and 1500-tonne CMS vessels under construction） formally inducted：

http://you.video.sina.com.cn/api/si...t6nknynt71+iJw5ZVQ+OZIrfO4kK6S/TAclA8Gg/s.swf

CMS 9020 has completed its sea trials and is going through the final patches before induction：

HPS is churning out CMS vessels like a sausage maker：

 

[Zero_wing]

If I am a false flagger then you are one. Actually everyone here in PDF is one.



He is just insecure maybe? I don't know but he could be.

Hahahaha what kind of reply is that

 

[p3avi8tor69]

If I am a false flagger then you are one. Actually everyone here in PDF is one.



He is just insecure maybe? I don't know but he could be.

He is full of nonsense, trash talk, juvenile insults and poor attempts to look intellectual. He is just frustrated at the hopelessness.

 

[GR!FF!N]

What is a “lake” in maritime strategy? Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe published an op-ed in Project Syndicate last week maintaining that Chinese power is increasingly transfiguring the South China Sea into “Lake Beijing.” That sounds ominous. To counteract China’s primacy in southern waters, argues Abe, Japan must augment its combat and police capabilities while forging a “diamond” with the United States, Australia, and India to defend the commons in East and South Asia. That sounds like a multinational lake presided over by the region’s leading liberal republics. Presumably the European equivalent would be NATO trusteeship over the Mediterranean Sea.

The idea of a lake has a long provenance. Many moons ago, while researching Alfred Thayer Mahan’s influence in Imperial Germany, I stumbled across a 1907 issue of National Geographic that exuded triumphalism. The normally staid magazine ran a map showing American flags scattered all across the Pacific basin, from Hawaii to the Philippine Islands. The flags depicted the islands wrested from Spain in 1898. The caption proudly proclaimed that the Pacific Ocean was—and would remain—“an American Ocean.” And so it was. Writing a century later, pundit Robert Kaplan maintained that the Pacific has been “a veritable American naval lake” since World War II.

By no means is the United States the first seagoing state to declare this or that body of water its own. In the 1950s Indian sea-power proponent K. B. Vaidya declared that the “Indian Ocean must become an Indian Lake” guarded by forward-deployed eastern, southern, and western fleets. A vibrant oceangoing navy would work some alchemy, transforming inward-looking India into the “supreme and undisputed” master of regional waters.

But again, what precisely do sea-power enthusiasts mean when they deem some expanse a lake belonging to some seafaring nation? A lake must have geographic, military, and political components. Geography provides the arena within which nations play out their destinies. Strength, as Clausewitz defines it, is a product of force and resolve.

Let’s break the concept down. First, designating a compact or enclosed sea a national lake is one thing. Declaring de facto supremacy over the world’s largest ocean, as National Geographic did on America’s behalf, borders on hubris. Boundless ambition begets strategic overextension and all of the maladies it entails. That’s what Walter Lippmann meant when he accused interwar American administrations of “monstrous imprudence” for letting Asia-Pacific commitments outstrip naval means.

Second, claiming a lake means commanding the waters within in the Mahanian sense. Mahan famously portrayed maritime command as amassing “overbearing power” to drive enemy fleets from vital waters in wartime. Peacetime command means fielding a force able to overawe and overshadow rival fleets—opening up vistas for deterrence, coercion, and confident naval diplomacy of all varieties. That’s a high standard to meet. And the bigger the lake, the higher the standard.

And third, there’s the question of political resolve or, more accurately, political intentions. For what purpose does a seafaring nation claim a lake for itself? There’s no obvious general rule implicit within the concept. Power is a neutral thing. A nautical suzerain can be benign and self-denying, as I believe the United States has been since 1945 and India will be once it consummates its naval project. Few stay up nights worrying about the U.S. or Indian naval juggernauts’ trampling their interests.

But power can be abused. That seems to be Prime Minister Abe’s message vis-à-vis China. Abe frets that Beijing will misuse its naval might within Lake Beijing, to the detriment of Japan and other seagoing nations. It cannot be trusted to use its power responsibly. Chinese leaders have done little to allay such concerns. Just the opposite.

The concept of a lake isn’t a bad yardstick for measuring Chinese sea power. Is Beijing indeed intent on primacy in the South China Sea and other expanses, to the extent of seeing them as Chinese lakes? Does it possess sufficient naval and military power to make itself the master of the waters within? How large a margin of superiority can the PLA amass in the face of regional competitors? And to what uses would Beijing put its marine primacy once achieved?

Food for thought.

The South China Sea: “Lake Beijing”

 

[Viet]

Vietnam drives away 3,000 Chinese fishing boats

Tuoitrenews
Updated : Mon, January 14, 2013,12:28 PM (GMT+0700)

officers and soldiers of the Marine Police Zone 1 train in observing and detecting targets at sea.

high speed patrol boats of the Vietnam Marine Police Department - Photo: Dat Viet

Over a one month period of conducting sea patrols, Vietnamese marine police units drove away 2,988 Chinese fishing boats that encroached upon Vietnam’s sovereign ocean territory.

These boats entered waters off of Vietnam’s north and central regions, the department said.

These patrols are aimed at boosting a crackdown on crime at sea before, during and after the coming Tet (Lunar New Year) holiday, which falls on February 10, the department said.

The marine police reported on the illegal operations of five Chinese boats before releasing them.

Last year the Vietnamese marine police detected 1, 268 violations of Vietnam’s sea territories by foreign boats, the department reported.

The police also found more than 100 Chinese law-enforcement, research and exploration ships operating in the East Sea, including the sea of Vietnam’s Truong Sa (Spratly) and Hoang Sa (Paracel) archipelagoes. A number of these ships violated Vietnam’s sea sovereignty with the aim of threatening, preventing, and sabotaging the country’s maritime economic activities.

 

[Zero_wing]

He is full of nonsense, trash talk, juvenile insults and poor attempts to look intellectual. He is just frustrated at the hopelessness.

And this comes from a person with no contribution here talk like he does? oh please spare me your idiotic rants.

 

[Fsjal]

And this comes from a person with no contribution here talk like he does? oh please spare me your idiotic rants.

I don't think he is ranting.

 

[Zero_wing]

I don't think he is ranting.

Sir do i care what you think?

 

[Fsjal]

China's Plan To Sink US Navy - Business Insider

China's plan to sink US fleet.