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It's not even in the 9 section line. Vietnam just revealed its cowardice.


China should still spank Vietnam though, just for drilling anywhere in the world :)
Making yourself happy now ?? check again the map, block 06.1 is Inside your stupid cow's tongue:coffee:
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Chinese cow's tongue is Black dash
 
It is not a disputed zone.

No one acknowledges China's cow tongue.

China's cow tongue is worthless, why could call it as a disputed zone while it lies entirely within EEZ of Vietnam?


Above all: This is a good good good news for one of oil and gas joint-ventures Vietnam - Russia
Cheer!



BTW: Lan Đỏ Oilfield = Red Orchid Oilfield

Lan Đỏ:
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A children's song
小老鼠,上灯台,   
偷油吃,下不来。   
猫来了,害怕了,   
咕噜咕噜滚下来。

:P 小问题 。。 中国 老爸(俄罗斯)跟着越南:rofl:

congrates to vietnam, :yahoo: they are doing good after all this bullying.
 
Anyways, congrats with the gas production :)


Thanks, I am a little bit surprised, coming from a Chinese.
The area "lies entirely within Vietnam's 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone and continental shelf," said Vietnam Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Luong Thanh Nghi, Bloomberg News reported. "This is absolutely not a disputed area."
 
Hoang Anh Tuan, Director-General of the Institute for Foreign Policy and Strategic Studies at the Diplomatic Academy of Vietnam, explains that “Regrettably, China does not yet recognize the extent to which its aggressive course in the South China Sea is damaging its diplomacy with neighboring countries.”
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“A respected characteristic of a truly global power lies in its ability to admit and move beyond historical misadventures.”
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EAST WEST CENTER
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ASIA PACIFIC BULLETIN
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NUMBER 181, SEPTEMBER 27, 2012
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Chinese Strategic Miscalculations in the
South China Sea
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BY HOANG ANH TUAN
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Just less than a decade ago, China ranked as the world’s fifth largest economy. Since then,
high domestic economic growth has enabled it to surpass Japan as the second largest global
economy, and China is now poised to overtake the United States as the world’s largest
economy, possibly within the next 10 to 20 years. With a huge population and a dynamic
economic foundation, there is every reason to believe that China could very well one day
become the world’s largest economy. However, attaining that level of economic prowess
is no guarantee of superpower status. It took the United States over 75 years and two
world wars to become a global superpower in terms of both economic and military
supremacy.
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This suggests that even if China does ascend to become the world’s largest economy, it
will not automatically transform itself into the most powerful nation. The key lesson for
China is that it needs to develop a technologically advanced economy enhanced by good
governance, effective policy making, and respected global citizenship supported by levelheaded
diplomacy. Sustaining superpower status is no small challenge. History is full of
accounts of failed superpowers that collapsed into obscurity by virtue of succumbing to
competitors, committing strategic blunders that squandered resources, compromising the
interests of their citizenry, or misjudging the intentions of rivals.
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For China, the South China Sea dispute represents the kind of challenge that could
determine whether or how China will indeed ascend to superpower status. Regrettably,
China does not yet recognize the extent to which its aggressive course in the South China
Sea is damaging its diplomacy with neighboring countries.
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First, sovereignty disputes with some ASEAN neighbors have severely weakened China's
standing in the region and beyond. The deterioration of China’s relationship with the
West after the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident should be a strong reminder to Beijing of
its recent strategic errors in judgment. During that period, ASEAN played an important
role as a conduit for China to the outside world. Indeed, it is in large part due to China’s
relationship with ASEAN that China was able to gradually resume normal diplomatic
relations with the West.
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China’s current assertiveness in the South China Sea is now slowly but surely eroding its
positive image with its ASEAN neighbors as a peacefully rising power. Without exception,
countries within Southeast Asia and beyond are very cautious of China’s rise. Even as
China’s national economic and global stature increase, its influence, image and “soft
power” abroad is declining dramatically.
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Second, China’s aggressiveness has resulted in the United States reprioritizing its global
strategy with its “pivot” or “rebalance” toward the Asia-Pacific region. This policy
adjustment by the United States has given Chinese policymakers serious reason for concern and activated the fear that China might again end up being contained in much the
same way as the former Soviet Union during the Cold War.
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China now sees “US hands” in both its internal and external affairs. Examples this year of
US influence in China’s domestic affairs include Wang Lijun, Chongqing’s former police
chief, applying to the US Consulate in Chengdu for political asylum and the blind lawyer,
Chen Guangcheng, fleeing to the US Embassy in Beijing. Throughout the region, US allies
including Japan, South Korea and the Philippines have all upgraded their already strong
military cooperation with the United States. If China continues to ignore the interests or
concerns of its neighbors who have a stake in the South China Sea, its aggressiveness is
likely to galvanize increased regional cooperation with the United States.
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Third, troubles with close neighbors also affect the image and position of China in the
world. The most important condition for any country aspiring to ascend to global power
status is to maintain good relations with its neighbors. However, if China is unable or
unwilling to maintain a cordial relationship with its closest neighbors, how can countries
further afield trust and respect this aspiring superpower? As long as China is unable to
maintain a significant level of trust and friendship with its neighbors, benevolent global
power status for China is likely to remain a pipe dream.
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Fourth, China’s dramatic assertion of unilateral sovereignty over the South China Sea has
adversely affected the peaceful environment China desperately needs to become a global
power. If conflict does break out, it is likely to have a sustained, widespread and long-term
detrimental impact on the regional economic and security situation in the region. China
itself would severely be impacted as nearly 80 percent of its oil imports and the majority of
its goods, imports and exports, flow through the Strait of Malacca and other South China
Sea routes.
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Central to the dispute is China’s claim of sovereignty over the U-shaped line that it claims
to have inherited from the Kuomintang government, and which was only officially
submitted to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf in 2009. As the
lines are not based on any legal foundation and have no specific geographical coordinates,
they leave room for inconsistent explanations from China. It should be noted that the
Chinese U-shaped line covers 80 percent of the South China Sea, while China only
administers 15 percent of that area.
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China’s unilateral claims of sovereignty over the years to the South China Sea has made the majority of Chinese citizenry mistakenly believe that China does indeed own the entire
area within the U-shaped line and that the line makes up China’s southern border.
However, newly discovered maps in 1904 dating from the Qing Dynasty do not show the
Paracel and Spratlys Islands. Instead, it is Hainan Island that is depicted as China’s
southern most border. Unfortunately, this U-shaped line is now very much like a bone in
China’s throat that it cannot swallow or remove.
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A respected characteristic of a truly global power lies in its ability to admit and move
beyond historical misadventures. US efforts to normalize relations with Vietnam are a case
in point. China is a great civilization which gave birth to great men like Laozi, Confucius,
and Li Shizen, and by following the teachings of these renowned philosophers China
should be capable of overcoming its miscalculations in its South China Sea policy.
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First and foremost, China should take constructive steps to bring about an amicable
conclusion to negotiations on the Code of Conduct (COC) in the South China Sea, and
implement a face-saving policy renouncing once and for all its U-shaped line. Obviously,
this will be a difficult decision for China to take. However, the international dividend and
return for China’s peaceful rise would ripple far beyond the neighborhood and confines of
the South China Sea.

http://www.eastwestcenter.org/sites/default/files/private/apb_181.pdf
 
If China rejects to recognise international laws, then they must leave the treaty!
Otherwise we could play the same game: we claim parts of the East China Sea off China´s coast.



United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

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Internal waters

Covers all water and waterways on the landward side of the baseline. The coastal state is free to set laws, regulate use, and use any resource. Foreign vessels have no right of passage within internal waters.

Territorial waters
Out to 12 nautical miles (22 kilometres; 14 miles) from the baseline, the coastal state is free to set laws, regulate use, and use any resource. Vessels were given the right of innocent passage through any territorial waters, with strategic straits allowing the passage of military craft as transit passage, in that naval vessels are allowed to maintain postures that would be illegal in territorial waters. "Innocent passage" is defined by the convention as passing through waters in an expeditious and continuous manner, which is not "prejudicial to the peace, good order or the security" of the coastal state. Fishing, polluting, weapons practice, and spying are not "innocent", and submarines and other underwater vehicles are required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag. Nations can also temporarily suspend innocent passage in specific areas of their territorial seas, if doing so is essential for the protection of its security.

Archipelagic waters
The convention set the definition of Archipelagic States in Part IV, which also defines how the state can draw its territorial borders. A baseline is drawn between the outermost points of the outermost islands, subject to these points being sufficiently close to one another. All waters inside this baseline are designated Archipelagic Waters. The state has full sovereignty over these waters (like internal waters), but foreign vessels have right of innocent passage through archipelagic waters (like territorial waters).

Contiguous zone
Beyond the 12 nautical mile limit, there is a further 12 nautical miles from the territorial sea baseline limit, the contiguous zone, in which a state can continue to enforce laws in four specific areas: customs, taxation, immigration and pollution, if the infringement started within the state's territory or territorial waters, or if this infringement is about to occur within the state's territory or territorial waters.[4] This makes the contiguous zone a hot pursuit area.

Exclusive economic zones (EEZs)

These extend from the edge of the territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles (370 kilometres; 230 miles) from the baseline. Within this area, the coastal nation has sole exploitation rights over all natural resources. In casual use, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf. The EEZs were introduced to halt the increasingly heated clashes over fishing rights, although oil was also becoming important. The success of an offshore oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico in 1947 was soon repeated elsewhere in the world, and by 1970 it was technically feasible to operate in waters 4000 metres deep. Foreign nations have the freedom of navigation and overflight, subject to the regulation of the coastal states. Foreign states may also lay submarine pipes and cables.

Continental shelf
The continental shelf is defined as the natural prolongation of the land territory to the continental margin’s outer edge, or 200 nautical miles from the coastal state’s baseline, whichever is greater. A state’s continental shelf may exceed 200 nautical miles until the natural prolongation ends. However, it may never exceed 350 nautical miles (650 kilometres; 400 miles) from the baseline; or it may never exceed 100 nautical miles (190 kilometres; 120 miles) beyond the 2,500 meter isobath (the line connecting the depth of 2,500 meters). Coastal states have the right to harvest mineral and non-living material in the subsoil of its continental shelf, to the exclusion of others. Coastal states also have exclusive control over living resources "attached" to the continental shelf, but not to creatures living in the water column beyond the exclusive economic zone.
 
If China rejects to recognise international laws, then they must leave the treaty!
Otherwise we could play the same game: we claim parts of the East China Sea off China´s coast.



United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

300px-Zonmar-en.svg.png


Internal waters

Covers all water and waterways on the landward side of the baseline. The coastal state is free to set laws, regulate use, and use any resource. Foreign vessels have no right of passage within internal waters.

Territorial waters
Out to 12 nautical miles (22 kilometres; 14 miles) from the baseline, the coastal state is free to set laws, regulate use, and use any resource. Vessels were given the right of innocent passage through any territorial waters, with strategic straits allowing the passage of military craft as transit passage, in that naval vessels are allowed to maintain postures that would be illegal in territorial waters. "Innocent passage" is defined by the convention as passing through waters in an expeditious and continuous manner, which is not "prejudicial to the peace, good order or the security" of the coastal state. Fishing, polluting, weapons practice, and spying are not "innocent", and submarines and other underwater vehicles are required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag. Nations can also temporarily suspend innocent passage in specific areas of their territorial seas, if doing so is essential for the protection of its security.

Archipelagic waters
The convention set the definition of Archipelagic States in Part IV, which also defines how the state can draw its territorial borders. A baseline is drawn between the outermost points of the outermost islands, subject to these points being sufficiently close to one another. All waters inside this baseline are designated Archipelagic Waters. The state has full sovereignty over these waters (like internal waters), but foreign vessels have right of innocent passage through archipelagic waters (like territorial waters).

Contiguous zone
Beyond the 12 nautical mile limit, there is a further 12 nautical miles from the territorial sea baseline limit, the contiguous zone, in which a state can continue to enforce laws in four specific areas: customs, taxation, immigration and pollution, if the infringement started within the state's territory or territorial waters, or if this infringement is about to occur within the state's territory or territorial waters.[4] This makes the contiguous zone a hot pursuit area.

Exclusive economic zones (EEZs)

These extend from the edge of the territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles (370 kilometres; 230 miles) from the baseline. Within this area, the coastal nation has sole exploitation rights over all natural resources. In casual use, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf. The EEZs were introduced to halt the increasingly heated clashes over fishing rights, although oil was also becoming important. The success of an offshore oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico in 1947 was soon repeated elsewhere in the world, and by 1970 it was technically feasible to operate in waters 4000 metres deep. Foreign nations have the freedom of navigation and overflight, subject to the regulation of the coastal states. Foreign states may also lay submarine pipes and cables.

Continental shelf
The continental shelf is defined as the natural prolongation of the land territory to the continental margin’s outer edge, or 200 nautical miles from the coastal state’s baseline, whichever is greater. A state’s continental shelf may exceed 200 nautical miles until the natural prolongation ends. However, it may never exceed 350 nautical miles (650 kilometres; 400 miles) from the baseline; or it may never exceed 100 nautical miles (190 kilometres; 120 miles) beyond the 2,500 meter isobath (the line connecting the depth of 2,500 meters). Coastal states have the right to harvest mineral and non-living material in the subsoil of its continental shelf, to the exclusion of others. Coastal states also have exclusive control over living resources "attached" to the continental shelf, but not to creatures living in the water column beyond the exclusive economic zone.

you tell me according to this International law of the sea falkland belong to argentina or britian
 
I found a pic from Hoàng Anh Tuấn:

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Director-General Hoàng Anh Tuấn, Head of the Institute for Foreign Policy and Strategic Studie (VN) - right
Director-General Michael Clark, Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies (UK) - left
Signing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) of cooperation in London on October 25, 2011
 
you tell me according to this International law of the sea falkland belong to argentina or britian

It's difference case.
All native people are living in Falkland and in Argentina were immigration there in the same time in the past. PM Cameron said he will agree that Falkland can join to Argentina if people living Falkland will voting for that.
But Argentina don't give it up.

Islands belong to Vietnam from time of Nguyen Warlord 1600 until Nguyen Dynasty, we controlled Islands peacefully, continously in the past. Man Quing Dynasty China's accepted and Map printed in China did'nt drawn up Islands of Vietnam.
 
South China Sea Fleet in training


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A marine brigade under the South China Sea Fleet of the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) carried out training on such subjects as rapid assembly and loading, long-range maneuver, and beach seizing and landing on the eve of the National Day, 2012, so as to enhance the actual combat capability of the troop. Separately.....

China will use more drones to increase surveillance over its coastal waters, expand its marine surveillance scope, and enhance overall management and control over its territorial waters, including waters around the Huangyan and Diaoyu islands, Suyan Rock, as well as Xisha, Zhongsha, and Nansha islands.

http://english.people.com.cn/90786/7971378.html
 
South China Sea Fleet in training


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A marine brigade under the South China Sea Fleet of the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) carried out training on such subjects as rapid assembly and loading, long-range maneuver, and beach seizing and landing on the eve of the National Day, 2012, so as to enhance the actual combat capability of the troop. Separately.....

China will use more drones to increase surveillance over its coastal waters, expand its marine surveillance scope, and enhance overall management and control over its territorial waters, including waters around the Huangyan and Diaoyu islands, Suyan Rock, as well as Xisha, Zhongsha, and Nansha islands.

China to use drones to enhance marine surveillance - People's Daily Online

Dont have you more photos ? with big war ships ? China's claim is baseless and illegal. Kido bullying.
 
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