South China Sea Forum

[BoQ77]

So China will join the case submitted by Fillipin ?

 

[xunzi]

This is the Philippines style of waving a diplomatic and preemptively waving an economic battle with us. The rest of the world can see that no where did we mention sanction in our official response but yet it is the Philippines who expect and want the unexpected to be imminent. As a result, we reserve the right to do what we see fit including, but not limit to, cooperation and tie in various areas.

 

[terranMarine]

deputy director of China Institute for Marine Affairs with the state Oceanic Administration, first clarifies what arbitration is.

"Arbitration is not a lawsuit in a court. The Philippines is not pleading at the International Court of Justice, or the Hague Tribunal. The tribunal is only a temporary one consisting of five members, who are arbitrators and not judges. The biggest feature of international law is the respect of sovereignty. China has a clear stance on the issue which is that China will not participate in the tribunal. If the tribunal insists on proceeding with the procedure and making any arbitration ruling, China will not enforce it regardless."

The Philippines's move is just a one-man show.

"I don't think the arbitration should be established because the tribunal has no jurisdiction over the dispute. As early as in 2006, China excluded any compulsive resolution in terms of territorial sovereignty or marine disputes. The arbitration is considered as a kind of compulsive solution, so China will not "play in the game" from the very beginning."

You revenge Japan ( Nanjing ) by do that to Fillipin ?
That's why Japan wanna help Fillipin ...

You forgot Japan raped the Pinoys?

 

[jarves]

You revenge Japan ( Nanjing ) by do that to Fillipin ?
That's why Japan wanna help Fillipin ...

Dont reply to offtopic post and troll posts,just report them and stick to the topic.

 

[BoQ77]

During the recent meeting, Angela merkel gifted Xi Jinping the map of China without SCS islands and Tibet, Xinjiang, Manchuria, Taiwan ...
published by Germany in 18th century.

28 Mar 2014

 

[jarves]

Phillippine as a small country claim on the island of China, then accuse China of want "its" land, well, like you indian, do the shameless thing.
the peacefull rise of China no mean you slap me, we have to tolerate it.
How do you know the history of SCS? don't know, get away, I know you indian just have a big mouth.


Raping, that is you friend indian favourite.
Chinese don't like pilippine girl, more Vietnaese was bought by Chinese, you know.

That what is your version of history,lets see what a filipino has to say about this @ManilaBoy45

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

During the recent meeting, Angela merkel gifted Xi Jinping the map of China without SCS islands and Tibet, Xinjiang, Manchuria, Taiwan ...
published by Germany in 18th century.

28 Mar 2014

Don't spread lies. This is real China.

Do you really think Merkel would be stupid that way?

 

[sweetgrape]

That what is your version of history,lets see what a filipino has to say about this @ManilaBoy45

So you just know the history from a Phillippine? then you got that island belong to phillippine?

In my hand, don't have english sourse about the history, ask others, I know you don't like Chinese, but don't just talk bullshit here for attacking China on the history you know little, although I know that's your indian common character.

 

[BoQ77]

Don't spread lies. This is real China.

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Do you really think Merkel would be stupid that way?

Map of China: Angela Merkel’s Gift to Xi Jinping Causes Controversy - TIME

• Emily Rauhala / Beijing @emilyrauhala

April 2, 2014

German Chancellor Angela Merkel presents Chinese President Xi Jinping with a a map of China from the 18th century at the Chancellor's Office on March 28, 2014 in Berlin. BPA/Getty Images
An antique map of China gifted by the German Chancellor to China's President is at odds with how China views its historical boundaries

Chancellor Merkel probably meant well. In Berlin last week, she gave her guest, Chinese President Xi Jinping, a 1735 map of China made by esteemed French cartographer Jean-Baptiste Bourguignon d’Anville (1697–1 782). The map, part of a series by d’Anville, was based in part on information gleaned by Jesuit missionaries. It was well-regarded at the time and republished for decades to come.

A perfect gift for a visiting dignitary, right? You would think so. But ever since the exchange, China’s Internet has been buzzing about the gift. Why did Merkel choose this particular item? What was the message in the map?

For students of Chinese history, the date jumps out. This was the height of the great Qing Dynasty, specifically the year when the Qianlong Emperor ascended to power. He presided over a military expansion west and north, but his death, in 1799, is associated with the period of decline that followed.

And then there are the boundaries. The 1735 d’Anville map shows “China proper” as a land mass separate from areas like Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia and Manchuria. The island of Hainan is drawn in a different color, as is Taiwan. This depiction is utterly at odds with how history is taught here.

Chinese students learn that these areas are inalienable parts of China, and that they have been for a long, long time. One netizen described the map as a “slap” from Merkel. “We always say some regions are inalienable parts of China since ancient times, but Merkel told us that even in 18th century those regions still did not belong to China.”

Another reasoned that it was the map-makers, not Chancellor Merkel, who messed things up. “Merkel has no special connotation,” they wrote. “At that time German priests [sic] were not allowed to travel in such areas.”

To complicate the matter, at least two different versions of the map have been circulating online. State news wire Xinhua seems to have published an entirely different version of the map, prompting an entirely different set of theories.

Tibetan activist and blogger Tsering Woeser spotted the difference and pointed it out on her Facebook page. To express her dismay at the deception, she used a Chinese idiom that might be translated as “they are so good at perpetrating fraud!” More literally, the phrase means “to steal the beams and pillars and replace them with rotten timber.”

The lesson: Maps mean different things to different people. And history is made of shaky stuff.


Netizens in China speculate on Merkel's map gift to Xi

• Tsai Meng-yu and Staff Reporter
• 2014-04-01
• 12:22 (GMT+8)

President Xi and Chancellor Merkel speak to the press in Berlin, March 28. (Photo/Xinhua)

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, presented the visiting Chinese president, Xi Jinping, with a map of China from the 18th century on Xi's third stop on his European tour on March 28. China's internet has since been abuzz concerning the meaning of the gift.

Merkel presented the map as she received Xi and his wife Peng Liyuan at her private residence in Berlin. Upon handing over the gift, Merkel said the map was the first precise map of China drawn in Germany in 1735.

1735 is significant in Chinese history as the year that the Qianlong emperor ascended the throne. Under the long-reigning Qianlong, the Qing empire (1644-1911) would reach its zenith in terms of territory and cultural achievements before entering a long period of decline following his death in 1799.

Some netizens said the map implies that Germany supports China in its dispute with Japan over the Diaoyutai (Diaoyu or Senkaku) islands in the East China Sea.

Others said the gift is "very meaningful" in the light of the ongoing crisis in Ukraine and that the map is a move by Germany to remind China of its past wounds following its period of expansion.

In his two-day visit to the country, Xi delivered a speech on March 29 urging German entrepreneurs to seize the opportunities that China is offering for common development. He said Germany should take advantage of its technological superiority to push the European Union to open more services to China.

Xi added that China needs the product quality offered by Germany, while Germany can depend on the fast development of the Chinese market.

Xi is now in Belgium for the last leg of his tour. He is the first Chinese leader to visit EU headquarters in Brussels since China and Belgium established official diplomatic ties 40 years ago.

 

[jarves]

So you just know the history from a Phillippine? then you got that island belong to phillippine?

In my hand, don't have english sourse about the history, ask others, I know you don't like Chinese, but don't just talk bullshit here for attacking China on the history you know little, although I know that's your indian common character.

I am not judging anything,i heared your opinion now i want to hear what a filipino has to say.You could have given me a link of why that island belongs to China that would have strengthened your claims instead of doing personal attacks and posting sweeping posts.

 

[sweetgrape]

I am not judging anything,i heared your opinion now i want to hear what a filipino has to say.You could have given me a link of why that island belongs to China that would have strengthened your claims instead of doing personal attacks and posting sweeping posts.

In my eyes, your post also sweeping post, know shit about the history, attacking china.

Chinese have post many proofs in the forum, not only Phillippine do, you just don't accept it, or even don't want read it, OK, I don't mark that site, also don't search it for you, debating with indian on SCS is very ridiculous.

 

[jarves]

In my eyes, your post also sweeping post, know shit about the history, attacking china.

Chinese have post many proofs in the forum, not only Phillippine do, you just don't accept it, or even don't want read it, OK, I don't mark that site, also don't search it for you, debating with indian on SCS is very ridiculous.

As usual,not giving any links or proof.Have a good day.

 

[sweetgrape]

As usual,not giving any links or proof.Have a good day.

Why don't give me the links of proof to back your opinion that China bully Philippine and that island belong to Phillippine?

 

[jarves]

Why don't give me the links of proof to back your opinion that China bully Philippine and that island belong to Phillippine?

I never said that islands belong to Philliphines.China threatening to put sanctions on China is bullying or not??

 

[sweetgrape]

I never said that islands belong to Philliphines.China threatening to put sanctions on China is bullying or not??

You mean below comment you post is bullshit?

Indeed so you accept that all talk by Chinese leaders of "peaceful rise of China" was just talk and not walk the talk. and China wants to annex lands of other countries and lay claims on Ocean's of other countries and is a hegemony when itself cries of Japanese attrocities in the past.Hypocrite,isnt it??