South China Sea Forum

[Zero_wing]

Man this going to bad for the region so long peaceful rise hello chinese imperialism

 

[EastSea]

3 time posted.

 

[MarveL]

Beijing Shows Resolve in South China Sea Claims
BEIJING January 8, 2014 (AP)
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN Associated Press

In a broadening campaign to enforce its territorial claims, China says it's beefing up its police powers in the disputed South China Sea and requiring foreign fishermen to ask Beijing's permission to operate within most of the vast, strategic waterway.

The move, which took effect this month, comes on the heels of the late November announcement of a new air defense zone requiring foreign planes to notify Beijing of flights over a huge swath of the East China Sea, where China is locked in a bitter territorial dispute with Japan.

The steps are prompting concerns that President Xi Jinping's push to assert China's role as a regional power could spark a confrontation with neighbors.

"These sort of assertions of sovereignty, or territorial claims, will continue. Xi believes he can't afford to be seen as soft," said City University of Hong Kong China politics expert Joseph Cheng.

The affected waters account for 2 million of the South China Sea's 3.5 million square kilometers (1.35 million square miles), a sweeping area encompassing island groups claimed by Vietnam, the Philippines and others — and in some cases occupied by their armed forces. The islands sit amid the world's busiest commercial sea lanes, along with rich fishing grounds and potential oil and gas deposits.

Philippines Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said Wednesday that the country's diplomats were seeking more information on the new South China Sea rules. There was no immediate response from Vietnam.

The United States says it doesn't take sides in the sovereignty dispute but insists on the right to freedom of navigation in the area.

The new rules demand that foreign vessels seek permission to fish or survey within waters administered by Hainan, China's southernmost island province, which looks out over the South China Sea.

Authorities in the provincial city of Sansha, on an island far south of Hainan, held a joint drill Jan. 1 involving 14 ships and 190 personnel from various border patrol and law enforcement agencies.

"Rampant infringement by foreign fishing vessels" was among the activities targeted in the practice scenarios, law enforcement official Wang Shizhen was quoted as saying by the official China News Service.

Passed by Hainan's provincial legislature in late November, the new rules say only that permission must be obtained from unnamed "relevant departments" under China's Cabinet. Chinese law allows for the confiscation of catches and fishing equipment and fines of up to 500,000 yuan ($83,000) for violators.

While it would be nearly impossible to enforce the rule over such a vast area, the requirement seems to emphasize China's determination to compel foreign nations to take its sovereignty claims seriously.

Beijing has moved systematically to put teeth behind its island claims, setting up the Sansha city administration in 2012 to administer the scattered, lightly populated region of island groups and reefs.

China has also combined its civilian maritime agencies into a single coast guard to increase effectiveness, and even has cracked down on activity in the area by foreign maritime archeologists.

Farther north, China's announcement of its air defense zone drew expressions of concern from Japan, South Korea and Australia, all U.S. treaty partners.

The zone is seen largely as a means of strengthening China's claim to tiny uninhabited East China Sea islands administered by Japan and also claimed by Taiwan. For more than a year, Chinese patrol vessels have aggressively confronted Japanese ships in the area, leading to fears of a clash.

However, Xi is under far less nationalist pressure at home to take a hard line on South China Sea issues, said Cheng, the China politics expert.

Despite the new fishing rules, Beijing will likely seek to avoid increasing frictions by enforcing them too zealously, Cheng said.

"Beijing wants relations with Southeast Asia to be relatively smooth," he said. "They can't afford to alienate too many neighbors at one time."

Beijing Shows Resolve in South China Sea Claims - ABC News

 

[EastSea]

Beijing Shows Resolve in South China Sea Claims
BEIJING January 8, 2014 (AP)
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN Associated Press

In a broadening campaign to enforce its territorial claims, China says it's beefing up its police powers in the disputed South China Sea and requiring foreign fishermen to ask Beijing's permission to operate within most of the vast, strategic waterway.

The move, which took effect this month, comes on the heels of the late November announcement of a new air defense zone requiring foreign planes to notify Beijing of flights over a huge swath of the East China Sea, where China is locked in a bitter territorial dispute with Japan.

The steps are prompting concerns that President Xi Jinping's push to assert China's role as a regional power could spark a confrontation with neighbors.

"These sort of assertions of sovereignty, or territorial claims, will continue. Xi believes he can't afford to be seen as soft," said City University of Hong Kong China politics expert Joseph Cheng.

The affected waters account for 2 million of the South China Sea's 3.5 million square kilometers (1.35 million square miles), a sweeping area encompassing island groups claimed by Vietnam, the Philippines and others — and in some cases occupied by their armed forces. The islands sit amid the world's busiest commercial sea lanes, along with rich fishing grounds and potential oil and gas deposits.

Philippines Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said Wednesday that the country's diplomats were seeking more information on the new South China Sea rules. There was no immediate response from Vietnam.

The United States says it doesn't take sides in the sovereignty dispute but insists on the right to freedom of navigation in the area.

The new rules demand that foreign vessels seek permission to fish or survey within waters administered by Hainan, China's southernmost island province, which looks out over the South China Sea.

Authorities in the provincial city of Sansha, on an island far south of Hainan, held a joint drill Jan. 1 involving 14 ships and 190 personnel from various border patrol and law enforcement agencies.

"Rampant infringement by foreign fishing vessels" was among the activities targeted in the practice scenarios, law enforcement official Wang Shizhen was quoted as saying by the official China News Service.

Passed by Hainan's provincial legislature in late November, the new rules say only that permission must be obtained from unnamed "relevant departments" under China's Cabinet. Chinese law allows for the confiscation of catches and fishing equipment and fines of up to 500,000 yuan ($83,000) for violators.

While it would be nearly impossible to enforce the rule over such a vast area, the requirement seems to emphasize China's determination to compel foreign nations to take its sovereignty claims seriously.

Beijing has moved systematically to put teeth behind its island claims, setting up the Sansha city administration in 2012 to administer the scattered, lightly populated region of island groups and reefs.

China has also combined its civilian maritime agencies into a single coast guard to increase effectiveness, and even has cracked down on activity in the area by foreign maritime archeologists.

Farther north, China's announcement of its air defense zone drew expressions of concern from Japan, South Korea and Australia, all U.S. treaty partners.

The zone is seen largely as a means of strengthening China's claim to tiny uninhabited East China Sea islands administered by Japan and also claimed by Taiwan. For more than a year, Chinese patrol vessels have aggressively confronted Japanese ships in the area, leading to fears of a clash.

However, Xi is under far less nationalist pressure at home to take a hard line on South China Sea issues, said Cheng, the China politics expert.

Despite the new fishing rules, Beijing will likely seek to avoid increasing frictions by enforcing them too zealously, Cheng said.

"Beijing wants relations with Southeast Asia to be relatively smooth," he said. "They can't afford to alienate too many neighbors at one time."

Beijing Shows Resolve in South China Sea Claims - ABC News

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[beijingwalker]

Beijing shows resolve in South China Sea claims
January 9, 2014 9:19am

BEIJING — In a broadening campaign to enforce its territorial claims, China says it's beefing up its police powers in the disputed South China Sea and requiring foreign fishermen to ask Beijing's permission to operate within most of the vast, strategic waterway.

The move, which took effect this month, comes on the heels of the late November announcement of a new air defense zone requiring foreign planes to notify Beijing of flights over a huge swath of the East China Sea, where China is locked in a bitter territorial dispute with Japan.

The steps are prompting concerns that President Xi Jinping's push to assert China's role as a regional power could spark a confrontation with neighbors.

"These sort of assertions of sovereignty, or territorial claims, will continue. Xi believes he can't afford to be seen as soft," said City University of Hong Kong China politics expert Joseph Cheng.

The affected waters account for two million of the South China Sea's 3.5 million square kilometers (1.35 million square miles), a sweeping area encompassing island groups claimed by Vietnam, the Philippines and others — and in some cases occupied by their armed forces. The islands sit amid the world's busiest commercial sea lanes, along with rich fishing grounds and potential oil and gas deposits.

On Wednesday, Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said the country's diplomats were seeking more information on the new South China Sea rules. There was no immediate response from Vietnam.

The United States says it doesn't take sides in the sovereignty dispute but insists on the right to freedom of navigation in the area.

The new rules demand that foreign vessels seek permission to fish or survey within waters administered by Hainan, China's southernmost island province, which looks out over the South China Sea.

Authorities in the provincial city of Sansha, on an island far south of Hainan, held a joint drill Jan. 1 involving 14 ships and 190 personnel from various border patrol and law enforcement agencies.

"Rampant infringement by foreign fishing vessels" was among the activities targeted in the practice scenarios, law enforcement official Wang Shizhen was quoted as saying by the official China News Service.

Passed by Hainan's provincial legislature in late November, the new rules say only that permission must be obtained from unnamed "relevant departments" under China's Cabinet. Chinese law allows for the confiscation of catches and fishing equipment and fines of up to 500,000 yuan ($83,000) for violators.

While it would be nearly impossible to enforce the rule over such a vast area, the requirement seems to emphasize China's determination to compel foreign nations to take its sovereignty claims seriously.

Beijing has moved systematically to put teeth behind its island claims, setting up the Sansha city administration in 2012 to administer the scattered, lightly populated region of island groups and reefs.

China has also combined its civilian maritime agencies into a single coast guard to increase effectiveness, and even has cracked down on activity in the area by foreign maritime archeologists.

Farther north, China's announcement of its air defense zone drew expressions of concern from Japan, South Korea and Australia, all U. treaty partners.

The zone is seen largely as a means of strengthening China's claim to tiny uninhabited East China Sea islands administered by Japan and also claimed by Taiwan. For more than a year, Chinese patrol vessels have aggressively confronted Japanese ships in the area, leading to fears of a clash.

However, Xi is under far less nationalist pressure at home to take a hard line on South China Sea issues, said Cheng, the China politics expert.

Despite the new fishing rules, Beijing will likely seek to avoid increasing frictions by enforcing them too zealously, Cheng said.

"Beijing wants relations with Southeast Asia to be relatively smooth," he said. "They can't afford to alienate too many neighbors at one time." - AP

 

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[Maxtini]

What's missing is~ what are the coordinates? This is nothing but an attempt to harrass southeast asian vessels~
Without a clear and definitive boundaries, how will the regulation be enforced? It will most likely end up being bullying weaker southeast asian vessels just like what happen in Natuna Sea last year. With this uncertain boundaries The Chinese could harrass foreign vessel in name of law enforcement and gradually enchroacing other countries territories.

Espcially at Natuna Sea, the Chinese cleverly leaves out any definitive dash there. A lot of chinese vessels have been spotted near natuna islands, only several vessels are detained by Indonesian as Chinese maritime vessels No. 311 step in and threatend to shoot inferior Indonesian boats despite it is clearly within Indonesian declared EEZ (by precisely coordinated bilateral agreement with Vietnam and Malaysia).

日本媒体报道，印度尼西亚海军军舰在该国纳土纳岛西北57海里的海域要求中国船只离开这一区域，对此，中国的大型渔政船311号向印尼军舰发出警告：如果不释放扣押的中国渔船，我们将发动攻击。中国渔政将机枪对准了印尼军舰，印尼军舰也进入了应战状态。究其原因，是前一天10多艘中国渔船到该海域作业捕鱼，遭印尼扣押其中一艘渔船。

The red dot is where Chinese vessels enchroaching Indonesian water with the help of China Maritime Surveillance Vessels 53 nm from Natuna Island.

 

[BoQ77]

Fisherboat not allowed but allow the combatant ships ... is it what you means Mr. Xi ???

You know well that USA have no fishboat in the region ... hahaha

 

[shuttler]

Fisherboat not allowed but allow the combatant ships ... is it what you means Mr. Xi ???

You know well that USA have no fishboat in the region ... hahaha

Do you need someone to help you comprehend what was going on here?
US and Chinese warships nearly collide amid tensions over airspace | World news | theguardian.com

 

[BoQ77]

Shutter, I heard that "Hey USA, don't hurt our only aircraft carrier pls !!!" ... Say louder, louder "we still heard no statement on your territorial water region in the nearly collission incident"
But
What can you do with 2 of B52 enter your nine-dashed line on air ? ( I mean ADIZ )

 

[shuttler]

Shutter, I heard that "Hey USA, don't hurt our only aircraft carrier pls !!!" ... Say louder, louder "we still heard no of statement on your territorial water region in the incident"
But
What can you do with 2 of B52 enter your nine-dashed line on air ? ( I mean ADIZ )

why this troll fails to understand the B52 was at the fringe of the ADIZ?

 

[BoQ77]

I read that Chinese cannot identify the B52 when they enter the ADIZ ... so how they know which is fringe or not
if they not enter ADIZ, what is the f...cking reason for US to order those sorties ?

We read Japanese aircraft always hunt any Chinese aircrafts coming to nearby Senkaku island ( that inside China's ADIZ )
and Chinese aircrafts always run ..

 

[beijingwalker]

China's faster-than-expected military buildup | Pakistan Defence

 

[shuttler]

I read that Chinese cannot identify the B52 when they enter the ADIZ ... so how they know which is fringe or not if they not enter ADIZ, what is the f...cking reason for US to order those sorties ?

How many times have you heard of any US airplanes flying into our declared ADIZ again after the B52 touching the fringe?

We read Japanese aircraft always hunt any Chinese aircrafts coming to nearby Senkaku island ( that inside China's ADIZ )
and Chinese aircrafts always run ..

It is our patrol ships which are in routine operations there ordering the Japanese to GTFO!