South China Sea Forum

[Zero_wing]

Let fortify our territories

 

[Pinoy]

China fears PH may build structures in Ayungin Shoal

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin and Chinese Ambassador talking about the Ayungin Shoal issue in an informal talk in Camp Aguinaldo.

By Alexis Romero, The Philippine Star
05/30/2013 | 05/30/2013

MANILA, Philippines - China has expressed concern that the Philippines might build structures in Ayungin Shoal, an area well within Manila’s exclusive economic zone.

China, which has set up structures in areas it is claiming in the West Philippine Sea, raised the issue during an informal talk between Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing and Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City yesterday.

Gazmin assured the ambassador that the government is sending ships to the shoal to deliver supplies to soldiers monitoring the area.

“They were concerned that the Philippines is coming up with structures, additional structures in the Ayungin Shoal,” the defense chief told reporters.

“I told her that the ship that is moving toward Ayungin Shoal is only for provisions of food and water for soldiers who are there,” he added.

In an apparent effort to defuse tensions, the Philippines assured China that it has no plans to build infrastructure on Ayungin Shoal.

“The ships are also for the rotation of troops. We cannot place people there permanently. They’ll go insane,” Gazmin said.

Chinese envoy initiated the talk

Ma evaded questions about West Philippine Sea issues, saying that her talk with Gazmin was mainly about friendly relations between China and the Philippines.

“We also talked about the balanced relations. I think China is ready to develop cooperation and very good exchanges between the two sides because this year is the year of friendly exchanges between our two countries,” she said.

When asked whether they talked about the Philippines’ diplomatic protest against China, Ma said: “Sorry, I really have to go. See you later.”

Ma was the one who initiated the informal talk with Gazmin, which lasted about 10 minutes. She sought an audience with Gazmin on the sidelines of the celebration of the Peacekeepers Day at Camp Aguinaldo.

Gazmin ushered her to a corner of the Armed Forces Commissioned Officers Club.

“I’d like to talk to the secretary. I have a message for him,” Ma was quoted by a source as saying.

Nobody heard the conversation between Gazmin and Ma, who both appeared serious. They, however, were seen smiling at each other as they parted.

Ayungin Shoal is 105.77 nautical miles from Palawan and is well within the Philippines’ 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone.

It is part of the Kalayaan Island Group off Palawan and one of the areas occupied by the Philippines in the West Philippine Sea.

On May 10, the Philippines filed a protest against China for its illegal deployment of vessels around Ayungin Shoal.

The protest decried the provocative presence of two Chinese maritime surveillance vessels and one warship in the area, which violated international law.

China claims virtually the entire South China Sea while the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Brunei and Taiwan have overlapping claims in the area.

Chinese strategy

China is now employing tactics lifted from “Go,” an ancient Chinese board game, to restrict and isolate all Filipino troops deployed in the disputed Spratlys.

In the board game, two players, using white and black pieces or “stones,” alternately move their respective pieces until their opponent is left with no more room to maneuver as his position has been completely encircled.

“What is happening there now is akin to the Philippines and China employing their respective strategies. A simple analogy to this is that China is playing the game Go to surround the opponent’s pieces until we are deprived of any moves out there,” said a former naval officer who requested anonymity.

Unfortunately, he said while China is employing an ancient strategy to have total domination over South China Sea, the Philippines continues to pursue a different tack.

“Unfortunately for us, we look at it as either a game of chess or checkers. Our strategy is not appropriate to check the Chinese strategy,” he said.

He warned that if China continues its game, it may eventually isolate Filipino troops to the point that the military may find it difficult to conduct troop rotation and resupply operations in the islands occupied by Filipino forces in the area.

Navy chief Vice Admiral Jose Luis Alano said yesterday that despite the presence of these Chinese vessels, the Philippine Navy is not backing down from its mandate as force provider in the region.

Alano also assured the troops deployed in Ayungin Shoal on board the Navy’s logistic ship BRP Sierra Madre – which ran aground in the area years ago – that they will continue to receive their supplies and other needs.

“We have agreed among ourselves (Spratlys claimant countries) to have a status quo that reprovisioning for all troops who have long been deployed in the region will not be hampered. We need to have the reprovisioning to be able to sustain our people that are deployed in the West Philippine Sea,” Alano said.

Alano also said the mere presence of the Navy ship in Ayungin further bolstered the country’s territorial claim over the area, not to mention that the place is very close to Palawan and well within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone. – With Jaime Laude, Michelle Zoleta

China fears PH may build structures in Ayungin Shoal | ABS-CBN News


China cannot be trusted. They act like the peacemakers in front of cameras but behind they are traitors and selfish land grabber.

It is only right that our country station more assets in the area as you know China will say something totally opposite of what they are doing. They will bully their way in these reefs and next thing you knew they will say another fishing shelter.

 

[Eliter]

1818年法国《世界地图集》证明
1818 France 《Grand Atlas Universel》can prove：

15-18世纪西方古地图上的"Paracel"不是现在的西沙群岛
15－18 centuries Occident map's "Paracels" not modern map's Paracel Islands.

越南1834年地图上黄沙和长沙不是中国的西沙群岛和南沙群岛
1834 Vietnamese map's 黄沙（Hoàng Sa）、長沙（Truong Sa）not Chinese Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands.

 

[Soryu]

1818年法国《世界地图集》证明
1818 France 《Grand Atlas Universel》can prove：

15-18世纪西方古地图上的"Paracel"不是现在的西沙群岛
15－18 centuries Occident map's "Paracels" not modern map's Paracel Islands.

越南1834年地图上黄沙和长沙不是中国的西沙群岛和南沙群岛
1834 Vietnamese map's 黄沙（Hoàng Sa）、長沙（Truong Sa）not Chinese Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands.

_ Again, I was asking you: If old "Paracel" was not "modern Paracel", So what's it? Where's it gone?
_ Why's no name group Islands become "modern Paracel"!? What's proof to proven that Islands are your "Paracel" that you said!?

 

[EastSea]

Map of Vietnam's Islands.

Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam.

 

[Eliter]

_ Again, I was asking you: If old "Paracel" was not "modern Paracel", So what's it? Where's it gone?
_ Why's no name group Islands become "modern Paracel"!? What's proof to proven that Islands are your "Paracel" that you said!?

1834 Vietnamese map was plagiarized Occident map's Paracels.
But That Paracels was illusion.
Western confirmed that illusion in 1840s. then use "Paracel" named another islands, that Chinses Xisha islands.

1834年大南一统图剽窃了西方地图上的Paracels.
但是当时西方地图上的Paracels就是幻想
1840前后西方人认识到错误。又将Paracels命名了另一个群岛，那就是中国的西沙群岛。

 

[p3avi8tor69]

Let fortify our territories

Fortify with what, paintball guns? You do not have the means. You and your barrio buddies are all talk and hot air.

The Armed Forces of the Pinoys have no jet aircraft, no SAMs not even manpads, no SSMs, no torpedoes, no sonar, no military grade radars, no modern artillery (the artillery pieces numbering less than 40 for the whole military) where left over howitzers from WW2. Your entire airfarce consist of 16 Vietnam war era Hueys, 8 Polish dual engined transport choppers, 2 Vietnam era twin engined turboprop COIN bombers and 3 refurbished C130's. So let me ask you how will you fortify your territories?

Kid give up the islands and just concentrate on building up your tiny economy. No need to claim what you cannot protect.

 

[EastSea]

China has only one Island named "Hai Nan" in SCS.

Postal Atlas of China published in 1933 shows that Guangdong province and Hainan as the southernmost point of China.

 

[Soryu]

1834 Vietnamese map was plagiarized Occident map's Paracels.
But That Paracels was illusion.
Western confirmed that illusion in 1840s. then use "Paracel" named another islands, that Chinses Xisha islands.

1834年大南一统图剽窃了西方地图上的Paracels.
但是当时西方地图上的Paracels就是幻想
1840前后西方人认识到错误。又将Paracels命名了另一个群岛，那就是中国的西沙群岛。

Your arguments are nothing but pointless words. Which's documents about "Western confirmed that illusion in 1840s"!?
What's document, maps can proven China's sovereignty over Paracel and Spartly Islands!?
Or you want consider "other's document" was mistake, so you can used your "history records" to claim it!?

Your documents and arguments have no point can solve the issue in here, no chinese scholars bring it on International or Regional Conference until now.

 

[Fsjal]

Oh no, Aquino fortify forts. Oh the humanity.

We are already being defeated. The Chinese have good deployment of marines. They have:

Su-30MKK strike fighter

Q-5 attacker

And also HQ-9 and HQ-16 SAM.

 

[Zero_wing]

Fortify with what, paintball guns? You do not have the means. You and your barrio buddies are all talk and hot air.

The Armed Forces of the Pinoys have no jet aircraft, no SAMs not even manpads, no SSMs, no torpedoes, no sonar, no military grade radars, no modern artillery (the artillery pieces numbering less than 40 for the whole military) where left over howitzers from WW2. Your entire airfarce consist of 16 Vietnam war era Hueys, 8 Polish dual engined transport choppers, 2 Vietnam era twin engined turboprop COIN bombers and 3 refurbished C130's. So let me ask you how will you fortify your territories?

Kid give up the islands and just concentrate on building up your tiny economy. No need to claim what you cannot protect.

You do realized we just out grew china hahaha anyway true we are still a long way no doubt but we are in the level so you tut is really funny shows how brainless you are with your constant bashing as for islands its in UNCLOS and the Constitution of this country we have to defend what is ours i guess you have heard of Archipelagic doctrine before? from your post shows a lot about you typical chewa again hulik ka na kalbo hahahaha Man that's so funny

Oh no, Aquino fortify forts. Oh the humanity.

We are already being defeated. The Chinese have good deployment of marines. They have:

Su-30MKK strike fighter

Q-5 attacker

And also HQ-9 and HQ-16 SAM.

Wow nice paper weight i think the viets can make this plane into fireballs before they get near us at less they have original planes and not some rip off junk

 

[Bob Ong]

China fears PH may build structures in Ayungin Shoal

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin and Chinese Ambassador talking about the Ayungin Shoal issue in an informal talk in Camp Aguinaldo.

By Alexis Romero, The Philippine Star
05/30/2013 | 05/30/2013

MANILA, Philippines - China has expressed concern that the Philippines might build structures in Ayungin Shoal, an area well within Manila’s exclusive economic zone.

China, which has set up structures in areas it is claiming in the West Philippine Sea, raised the issue during an informal talk between Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing and Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City yesterday.

Gazmin assured the ambassador that the government is sending ships to the shoal to deliver supplies to soldiers monitoring the area.

“They were concerned that the Philippines is coming up with structures, additional structures in the Ayungin Shoal,” the defense chief told reporters.

“I told her that the ship that is moving toward Ayungin Shoal is only for provisions of food and water for soldiers who are there,” he added.

In an apparent effort to defuse tensions, the Philippines assured China that it has no plans to build infrastructure on Ayungin Shoal.

“The ships are also for the rotation of troops. We cannot place people there permanently. They’ll go insane,” Gazmin said.

Chinese envoy initiated the talk

Ma evaded questions about West Philippine Sea issues, saying that her talk with Gazmin was mainly about friendly relations between China and the Philippines.

“We also talked about the balanced relations. I think China is ready to develop cooperation and very good exchanges between the two sides because this year is the year of friendly exchanges between our two countries,” she said.

When asked whether they talked about the Philippines’ diplomatic protest against China, Ma said: “Sorry, I really have to go. See you later.”

Ma was the one who initiated the informal talk with Gazmin, which lasted about 10 minutes. She sought an audience with Gazmin on the sidelines of the celebration of the Peacekeepers Day at Camp Aguinaldo.

Gazmin ushered her to a corner of the Armed Forces Commissioned Officers Club.

“I’d like to talk to the secretary. I have a message for him,” Ma was quoted by a source as saying.

Nobody heard the conversation between Gazmin and Ma, who both appeared serious. They, however, were seen smiling at each other as they parted.

Ayungin Shoal is 105.77 nautical miles from Palawan and is well within the Philippines’ 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone.

It is part of the Kalayaan Island Group off Palawan and one of the areas occupied by the Philippines in the West Philippine Sea.

On May 10, the Philippines filed a protest against China for its illegal deployment of vessels around Ayungin Shoal.

The protest decried the provocative presence of two Chinese maritime surveillance vessels and one warship in the area, which violated international law.

China claims virtually the entire South China Sea while the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Brunei and Taiwan have overlapping claims in the area.

Chinese strategy

China is now employing tactics lifted from “Go,” an ancient Chinese board game, to restrict and isolate all Filipino troops deployed in the disputed Spratlys.

In the board game, two players, using white and black pieces or “stones,” alternately move their respective pieces until their opponent is left with no more room to maneuver as his position has been completely encircled.

“What is happening there now is akin to the Philippines and China employing their respective strategies. A simple analogy to this is that China is playing the game Go to surround the opponent’s pieces until we are deprived of any moves out there,” said a former naval officer who requested anonymity.

Unfortunately, he said while China is employing an ancient strategy to have total domination over South China Sea, the Philippines continues to pursue a different tack.

“Unfortunately for us, we look at it as either a game of chess or checkers. Our strategy is not appropriate to check the Chinese strategy,” he said.

He warned that if China continues its game, it may eventually isolate Filipino troops to the point that the military may find it difficult to conduct troop rotation and resupply operations in the islands occupied by Filipino forces in the area.

Navy chief Vice Admiral Jose Luis Alano said yesterday that despite the presence of these Chinese vessels, the Philippine Navy is not backing down from its mandate as force provider in the region.

Alano also assured the troops deployed in Ayungin Shoal on board the Navy’s logistic ship BRP Sierra Madre – which ran aground in the area years ago – that they will continue to receive their supplies and other needs.

“We have agreed among ourselves (Spratlys claimant countries) to have a status quo that reprovisioning for all troops who have long been deployed in the region will not be hampered. We need to have the reprovisioning to be able to sustain our people that are deployed in the West Philippine Sea,” Alano said.

Alano also said the mere presence of the Navy ship in Ayungin further bolstered the country’s territorial claim over the area, not to mention that the place is very close to Palawan and well within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone. – With Jaime Laude, Michelle Zoleta

China fears PH may build structures in Ayungin Shoal | ABS-CBN News


China cannot be trusted. They act like the peacemakers in front of cameras but behind they are traitors and selfish land grabber.

Who the hell think these Chinese thieves are? We can build structures, whatever we want in our country. Don't believe that stupid Chinese Ambassador, she has been a double talker and a liar. We don't need an approval of Chinese. Ayungin reef is clearly ours.

 

[p3avi8tor69]

You do realized we just out grew china hahaha anyway true we are still a long way no doubt but we are in the level so you tut is really funny shows how brainless you are with your constant bashing as for islands its in UNCLOS and the Constitution of this country we have to defend what is ours i guess you have heard of Archipelagic doctrine before? fshows a lot about you typical chewa again hulik ka nakalbo hahahaha Man that'plane into fireballs before they get near us at less they have original planes and not some rip off junk

You said you wanted to fortify, I answered you with details of your mimlitary capability yet you once again evaded when you are faced with facts You as always resorted to personal insults because you have nothing substantial to reply with.

 

[cirr]

The 1330-tonne CMS（CCG）1118 luanched on 31.05.2013 at GJS（of CSSC） in Guangxi Autonomous Region，China：

The SCS has a new member。

More to come，a lot more。

 

[cirr]

Another vessel seen being painted China Coast Guard（CCG）：