South China Sea Forum

[HongWu]

it is a very dirty comment. if I was you, I would try to prove to everyone that the Sansha city is legal. However, the maps posted in this forum indicate the illegality of the Sansha city.

China needs to prove nothing. We are the most powerful nation in East Asia and we make the law. Either you obey or else like those brave but stupid Viets in 1988 Johnson Reef feed fishes

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq30CY9nWE8[/video]

 

[ComeAtMeBro]

Sansha city (it's not even a city anyway) is fake and illegal in the eyes of the rest of the world
Of course, chinese wouldn't accept it

And why do chinese always like to bring back the history?
This race is actually stuck in ancient era

 

[EastSea]

China needs to prove nothing. We are the most powerful nation in East Asia and we make the law. Either you obey or else like those brave but stupid Viets in 1988 Johnson Reef feed fishes

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq30CY9nWE8[/video]

Robbers do their job.

 

[tuankaqui]

China needs to prove nothing. We are the most powerful nation in East Asia and we make the law. Either you obey or else like those brave but stupid Viets in 1988 Johnson Reef feed fishes

I hope you understood in a way is veracious about it.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

China needs to prove nothing. We are the most powerful nation in East Asia and we make the law. Either you obey or else like those brave but stupid Viets in 1988 Johnson Reef feed fishes

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq30CY9nWE8[/video]

Yes, in 1988 China used of warships to attack transport ships and Vietnamese soldiers unarmed to rob the islands of Vietnam. This is an evidence of the illegal occupation of China on the coral reefs in the Spratly islands of Vietnam.
The true face of the dirty robber cannot conceal.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Well that time Vietnam dont have powerful weapons which they can buy , in even of war they can get Barhmos ASM which can be fired from Land and from ship and within secs surface ship gone ........ a powerful missile which can move chinese Navy 300 km away.

BTW currently company is producing missile and indian Army , Navy and Air force liked it and ordered it in huge quantity, might be 300 + will be possessed by Navy alone for 150 ships it can take down at a time. 2 for each ships.

After fulfilling indian orders then it go for other countries which russia approves.

China needs to prove nothing. We are the most powerful nation in East Asia and we make the law. Either you obey or else like those brave but stupid Viets in 1988 Johnson Reef feed fishes

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq30CY9nWE8[/video]

Well after US 60% ships roam in South China see , then we will see who will crib.....

 

[T-Rex]

China needs to prove nothing. We are the most powerful nation in East Asia and we make the law. Either you obey or else like those brave but stupid Viets in 1988 Johnson Reef feed fishes

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq30CY9nWE8[/video]

China should tread carefully in South China Sea. Russia's recent moves look suspicious to me. I won't be surprised if the Russians strike a secret deal with the americans and the Vietnamese. Russia might betray China at a crucial moment. China's best bet is to somehow lure Taiwan into this dispute. That will neutralize the american input in this whole affair. Russia alone won't make any difference.

 

[asean_2015]

By chance, I found some new maps.

1850清二京十八省舆地图

1935中華民國全圖

1935

1911-1949中華民國全圖

1911

1908大清帝国全图 宣统元年

1907大清帝國分省精圖

1936政治區域圖

 

[asean_2015]

1908大清帝国全图

1908大清帝国全图

大清帝國分省精圖

大清帝國分省精圖

 

[dunhill]

Based on those maps has been posted, I don't see any China 9-dots-claims. Where is it - never has one?

 

[Martian2]

U.S. goes to great lengths to avoid offending China

2nd US warship sold to Philippines also stripped of guns - Yahoo! News Philippines

"2nd US warship sold to Philippines also stripped of guns
Asia News NetworkBy Dona Z. Pazzibugan in Manila/Philippine Daily Inquirer | Asia News Network – Tue, May 22, 2012

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - Washington has turned down Manila's request to retain the entire weapons system in the second US Coast Guard cutter the Philippines is acquiring from the United States.

Top Filipino military officials flew to the US last weekend for the ceremonial turnover on May 23 of the 378-ft USCG Dallas in North Charleston, South Carolina.

According to Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin, the second cutter will also have most of its weapons removed as happened with the first cutter acquired from the US by the Philippine Navy last year.

In the case of what is now the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, all its weapons were removed except for a 76-mm Oto Melara automatic cannon.

In a meeting in Washington on April 30, Gazmin personally asked his counterpart, US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, to keep the USCG Dallas in its original state and to restore the weapons that were removed from its sister ship, the Gregorio del Pilar.

The Gregorio del Pilar is currently the biggest and most modern warship in the Philippine Navy fleet which still relies on World War II-vintage vessels.

Symbolic turnover

Armed Forces of the Philippines Chief of Staff General Jessie Dellosa and Philippine Navy Fleet commander Rear Admiral Jose Luis Alano will take possession of the Dallas during a symbolic turnover on Wednesday.

The vessel will be renamed the BRP Ramon Alcaraz, after the World War II hero and former fleet commander, and will be under the command of Navy Captain Ernesto Baldovino.

In April 1942, Alcaraz was commander one of the Philippines' three torpedo boats that shot down three of nine attacking Japanese fighter planes.

After the turnover, the Philippine Navy crew will undergo training before they sail the ship home to the Philippines."

 

[Martian2]

Based on those maps has been posted, I don't see any China 9-dots-claims. Where is it - never has one?

The Chinese nine-dashed-lines map is based on the Chinese 12th century map shown below and the 1712-1721 map from the Qing Dynasty.

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Spratly Islands have belonged to China since ancient times

Ocean-faring Chinese explorers had claimed the Spratly Islands a thousand years ago.

[Source: Wikipedia article on Spratly Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

"Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長&#27801 and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石&#22616,[7] which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries. [8][9] They are also referenced in the 13th century,[10] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[11] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,[12] 1755,[13] 1767,[14] 1810,[15] and 1817.[16] A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as "Wanli Changsha".[17]"

By the twelfth century, names for the South China Sea islands began to appear. The Paracels and the Spratlys were referred to more consistently as Changsha and Shitang. By the mid-fourteenth century, Shitang could be accurately identified as the Spratlys. There is also evidence of Chinese naval control over some areas of the South China Sea, which resulted in complete Chinese dominion of the South China Sea in the late thirteenth century. Finally, in the fifteenth century, Zheng He's seven voyages placed the South China Sea islands on the official navigational charts. In this map, the Xisha Islands are called Shitang, and the Nansha Islands are referred to as Wansheng Shitang Yu.

The Map of South and East Ocean Sea Routes was drawn in between 1712-1721 by Qing (Ching) Dynasty Fujian (Fuchien) Province Navy Commander Shi Shibiao, the son of a famous Qing Dynasty imperial officer. This map clearly shows the sea routes, time, and descriptions from Chinese coastal ports to Japan, Laos, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei, Cambodia and the Philippines. On this map, the locations and names of the Southern Sea Islands (Nanhai Zhudao) are very accurate. The map shows Chinese sovereignty over the South China　Sea islands (including Nansha Islands, Xisha Islands, Zhongsha Islands and Dongsha Islands).

1834 Vietnamese map showed the islands as Chinese "Wanli Changsha."

[Note: Thank you to HuziHaidao12 for the first two pictures and captions.]

 

[3starsandasun]

You ancestors just named it for their navigation. It doesnt mean it is yours. The Malay race, which comprises the majority of the ASEAN, probably was the first to discover the islands and named it as well for navigation.

 

[Martian2]

You ancestors just named it for their navigation. It doesnt mean it is yours. The Malay race, which comprises the majority of the ASEAN, probably was the first to discover the islands and named it as well for navigation.

You have no maps or government records to prove your speculation. You might as well claim Martians discovered it first, instead of Malays.

China has government records, maps, Chinese bones on the South China Sea islands, Chinese artifacts (such as distinctive Chinese pottery/bowls), and distinctive Chinese-built wells on the South China Sea islands.

You only have speculation. You lose. Those South China Sea islands are Chinese.

 

[3starsandasun]

You have no maps or government records to prove your speculation. You might as well claim Martians discovered it first, instead of Malays.

China has government records, maps, Chinese bones on the South China Sea islands, Chinese artifacts (such as distinctive Chinese pottery/bowls), and distinctive Chinese-built wells on the South China Sea islands.

You only have speculation. You lose. Those South China Sea islands are Chinese.

Use them and present them in the proper forum - international arbitration.

Nah you wont. You'll be bitchslapped there by a lowly 3rd world Filipino representative.