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Hello everyone.

Hope you are all doing great!

I have some questions in mind. I feel that there is some sort of dichotomy between Bangladeshis and Turkish people considering some diplomatic spats. I feel that we have a lot to learn from each other, and other's history. I hope to address this communication gap.

First off, how do you see Turkey's role regarding the current outstanding issues and and upcoming ones in regards to the Middle East? Especially in regards to countering ISIS. What is Turkey's history with the Kurdish rebellion and how it all started?

Secondly, why is it that I see many Western people sympathetic to the Kurdish rebellion? Why do not they like Erdogan? Why do they say that the recently failed coup was masterminded by Erdogan to increase his legitimacy? What are their reasons?

And thirdly, what is Turkey's connection to Jamaat-e-Islami of Bangladesh? The largest Islamist political party in the country. What is Turkey's position on Bangladesh and the immediate neighborhood? What is your's?

I look forward to your answers. It's very regrettable if you have found any hateful remarks from Bangladeshis against Turkey, and the Turkish people here and on social media. Despite that and our cultural differences, I hope to initiate some understanding between us.

By the way, I love Turkish food!
 
Secondly, why is it that I see many Western people sympathetic to the Kurdish rebellion?

because they dislike turks, muslims and midle eastern..
I am born outside Turkey.. and all I can say from my childhood on they did never like turks.. they have deep fear of the ottomans who took big chunks of europe.. and since the fake 911 (also a phone calöl niumber for emergency..) they found their old enemy back the muslims.. and belive even mosques are burned and attacked..

Why do not they like Erdogan?

because he is some kind of independed.. they fear the ottoman card they fear he has a plan for reviving the ottoman empire.. this is just so silly and idiotic claim but in the head of many germans you can find this fear..

also his talks about god and islamic things they fear it..

but mostly erdogan is being used, they use him to make propaganda against turkey.. because we are on the rising side and they try everything to stop it..

Why do they say that the recently failed coup was masterminded by Erdogan to increase his legitimacy?

because the real mastermind is USA and the slave EU ..

what or who do you think is behind the recent venezuela protests and uprisings etc in iran , in tunesia, in egypt, in syria, in bangladesh, and so on?

What are their reasons?

ecomomic and their plans for ME, they want to squeeze and rule all ME/world

And thirdly, what is Turkey's connection to Jamaat-e-Islami of Bangladesh? The largest Islamist political party in the country. What is Turkey's position on Bangladesh and the immediate neighborhood? What is your's?

erdogan wanted an axis against the wahabi saudi part.. it could be established when egypt turkey and some others like indonesia, pakistan and bangladesh would be the counterpart.. how? by support of democratic islamic partys .. since US and Saudi arabia dont want this and fear it it could never happen..

now there are puppet regimes in many of those countries also erdogan is some kind of puppet of US, since he is in action we did not get many verbal attacks from US, things changed when he did some things they did not want :coffee:

I wish you like not only Turkish Food, but all Turkish People.

Turkey is sometimes challenging its limits and influence as they did in Egypt. Political influence has to be backed up with economical and military power.

Bangladesh is an independent and sovereign state.

Kurdish issue, Kurdish project is an multinational project to divide Turkey. The same procedure Lawrence of Arabia did against the Ottoman Empire.
Never call it rebellion it is pure terrorism.

All Turkish people without making ethnically difference suffered from "non democratic practice" in the past.

What is now happening is pure terrorism, multinational project to realize. The sympathy in Europe is the part in Europe and resulting from manipulative and guided media reports.

Greater Middle East - Project. Divide and Rule with weak Proxies.

wtf you are back..

but this is some kind of plan in wich you are not wrong..

Because we will divide and conquer Europe. Im joking, or am i?

inshallah but dont give me a part of it to rule I would behave like my name.. :D
 
First off, how do you see Turkey's role regarding the current outstanding issues and and upcoming ones in regards to the Middle East? Especially in regards to countering ISIS. What is Turkey's history with the Kurdish rebellion and how it all started

Turkey's policy about middle east is gone very wrong since the "arab spring". We are thinking that Assad would be gone like Moubarak, Kadafi and Ben Ali....but the butcher has managed to stay with blood bath.
Worst we lost Egypt too with the new dictator Sisi.

I understand Erdogan decision at that time (frankly everbody bett on about Assad's end in 2011), but now Erdogan must see that the ME will not be what he want and he must adapt (Make peace with Assad and other leader of the region and then attack the PKK and their proxie).

Isis is Turkey's ennemy but for Turkey, PKK (which is more and more apreciat by the west) is the bigger menace.

Secondly, why is it that I see many Western people sympathetic to the Kurdish rebellion? Why do not they like Erdogan? Why do they say that the recently failed coup was masterminded by Erdogan to increase his legitimacy? What are their reasons?

The west like PKK because they are fighting Isis (PKK is fighting Daech because of land control), and they dont care about PKK terror action in Turkey.

They dont like Erdogan because he is not a yes man or western pupet. Don't misundertand, Erdogan has many fault, which many Turk dont like him for, but the west dont like him for this sole reason : he is not their pupet.

And I don't think any serious media in the west has say that Erdogan was the masterminded of the failed coup.

And thirdly, what is Turkey's connection to Jamaat-e-Islami of Bangladesh? The largest Islamist political party in the country. What is Turkey's position on Bangladesh and the immediate neighborhood? What is your's?

I know nothing about Bangladesh and even less about their political party.
But dont presume that Erdogan's AKP will give a systematic support to Islamist party, because AKP are secular party compared to Arab islamic party.
Hell even after 15 years, Erdogan has never put a islamic law in Turkey.
 
They dont like Erdogan for the same reason as many Turks do.
He's corrupt, authoritarian and anti-democratic.
 
They dont like Erdogan for the same reason as many Turks do.
He's corrupt, authoritarian and anti-democratic.

No.
The west don't care about that, Sisi is worst than Erdogan about all of it(corrupt, authoritarian and anti-democratic), yet the west has critized Erdogan much more after the failed coup than Sisi's coup in Egypte.

The true problem of the west about Erdogan, is that is not willing to be a yes man.
 
First off, how do you see Turkey's role regarding the current outstanding issues and and upcoming ones in regards to the Middle East?
Terrible.
Especially in regards to countering ISIS.
Perfect.
What is Turkey's history with the Kurdish rebellion and how it all started?
They started to terrorize, we started to retaliate.
Secondly, why is it that I see many Western people sympathetic to the Kurdish rebellion?
They are sons of bitches.
Why do not they like Erdogan?
No one likes islamists.
Why do they say that the recently failed coup was masterminded by Erdogan to increase his legitimacy?
That is the only way out for USA to get its @ss saved from all this mess.
What are their reasons?
Worsening outlook of imperialism is not in the favor of imperialists.
And thirdly, what is Turkey's connection to Jamaat-e-Islami of Bangladesh?
They both are islamist jihadist entities.
What is Turkey's position on Bangladesh and the immediate neighborhood?
Lovely.
What is your's?
Hate it. All of it.
 
I don't know what they plan but they really concentrade on turkey.. they talk many many times about us..

look at this

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totally crap jornalism.. they act like he is a thread and maybe they will be attacked that is what their brains tell them..

they ignore their own problems the real things that happen in germany like their antiislamism racism and an growing extremism by kurds.. I highly think it is planned that they make right wing parties like afd and other stronger by their politics and the jornalism of fear.. with their jornalism they managed to frighten the puplic and they managed to make it normal to be extreem right wing and have racist minds.. he old germany did not have that you couöld not act this way in puplic many germans had this thoughts in their mind but they could not say it they managed to break through
 
because the real mastermind is USA and the slave EU ..

what or who do you think is behind the recent venezuela protests and uprisings etc in iran , in tunesia, in egypt, in syria, in bangladesh, and so on?

That may be a possibility. I was very surprised to see the Western media's reaction and reporting of the coup. Coups are never a good thing, the most undemocratic and has serious implications for business confidence. That confidence takes years to recover. I saw Anderson Cooper's (of CNN) expression....like as if he was upset that the coup wasn't successful. And these are the international faces of American media?

The EU however is gradually moving away from the US influence. The proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) had already failed to make any progress (though, they haven't made it official yet). It will wind up in failure. The Asian one will probably face the same fate, but it has more promise however.

As for Bangladesh, there hadn't been any real uprising. But there were however big changes back in 2008 when a military backed emergency government was placed. In 2009, our brightest and most senior military officers were slaughtered during what was apparently a mutiny. A lot of things happened on the inside. Democracy gradually died with Bangladesh becoming a one-party state. The ideological instigator here was not the US. Generally, small countries like Bangladesh are inconsequential for the US. The ideological divisions in Bangladesh however are very real.

erdogan wanted an axis against the wahabi saudi part.. it could be established when egypt turkey and some others like indonesia, pakistan and bangladesh would be the counterpart.. how? by support of democratic islamic partys .. since US and Saudi arabia dont want this and fear it it could never happen..

It would be important to acknowledge that Bangladesh is a long and complicated matter.

Turkey's policy about middle east is gone very wrong since the "arab spring". We are thinking that Assad would be gone like Moubarak, Kadafi and Ben Ali....but the butcher has managed to stay with blood bath.
Worst we lost Egypt too with the new dictator Sisi.

I understand Erdogan decision at that time (frankly everbody bett on about Assad's end in 2011), but now Erdogan must see that the ME will not be what he want and he must adapt (Make peace with Assad and other leader of the region and then attack the PKK and their proxie).

Isis is Turkey's ennemy but for Turkey, PKK (which is more and more apreciat by the west) is the bigger menace.

The only thing lacking in Syria is a political horizon. The current solution by the relevant powers is the best for now. There is unfortunately nothing better.

The west like PKK because they are fighting Isis (PKK is fighting Daech because of land control), and they dont care about PKK terror action in Turkey.

They dont like Erdogan because he is not a yes man or western pupet. Don't misundertand, Erdogan has many fault, which many Turk dont like him for, but the west dont like him for this sole reason : he is not their pupet.

I always found the Kurdish separatists as a controversial lot. I remember how the Western media gathered sympathy for the Halabja gas massacre. Let's be honest here, without the support from the Kurds, the Americans would not have been able to conduct operations in Iraq way back in the First Gulf War. I'm very certain that American Special Forces were there early on during the same theater of war. Otherwise, it would not have been possible for them to conduct operations with such ease in another continent.

So, that could be part of the explanation.

Another thing is that violent third party groups allow governments to officially say that they denied any involvement. Once these groups are of no use, they'll just throw them under the bus. The CIA's alleged support for the Contra Rebels in Nicaragua turned out to be a documented fact. And that partly explains how drugs come into the US. Some conspiracy theories do turn out to be true it appears.

Little do they know that the Kurdish separatists will ultimately be victims of their own folly.

And I don't think any serious media in the west has say that Erdogan was the masterminded of the failed coup.

Not necessarily from any 'serious' media. But many Westerners (particularly right-wing) do believe that. I saw their comments everyday. Yes they can be ignored and pretend that they are nutjobs. But Donald Trump and the support he bellies upon changed that view.

I know nothing about Bangladesh and even less about their political party.
But dont presume that Erdogan's AKP will give a systematic support to Islamist party, because AKP are secular party compared to Arab islamic party.
Hell even after 15 years, Erdogan has never put a islamic law in Turkey.

True. And that is because secularism works.

Bangladesh is a complicated matter.

I don't know what they plan but they really concentrade on turkey.. they talk many many times about us..

look at this

co-sp-2016-037-0003-04-220275-bi.3af9b70.jpg


totally crap jornalism.. they act like he is a thread and maybe they will be attacked that is what their brains tell them..

they ignore their own problems the real things that happen in germany like their antiislamism racism and an growing extremism by kurds.. I highly think it is planned that they make right wing parties like afd and other stronger by their politics and the jornalism of fear.. with their jornalism they managed to frighten the puplic and they managed to make it normal to be extreem right wing and have racist minds.. he old germany did not have that you couöld not act this way in puplic many germans had this thoughts in their mind but they could not say it they managed to break through

It is usually easier to blame domestic problems on foreigners (perceived or otherwise). Even though, they have the resources to mitigate those problems.

Sounds awfully familiar...
 
Well most of it has been said already, and there are divided opinions. But one thing is clear, when the arab spring began, and it jumped to Syria, Erdogan and AKP were too quick to jump the gun, they misjudged the situation and the result is worsening of our policies and such.

I don't know much about Bangladesh, but I've read somewhere that your MP and leaders are leaning towards India and their influence.
 
most turks cannot find bangladesh in the map, probably never heard about the country.. the backlash is one sided and few turks online might have wondered.. wtf people of another country hating us?
 

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