Solo Turk Over Sargodha

[baqai]

oh wow ... i literally wet my pants there lol ... in your opinion was it deliberate or miscalculation? i mean doesn't this defies some sort of SOP?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Hi,

The important question over here is---at what speed you would employ the TVC----an average dog fight is between 300---450 knots----. Both the pilots can pull 9 G's-----but at 450 knot for the SU 30 to pull a TVC stunt would be like submitting the pilot to 20--30 G's---and doing it at 300 knots would be like 15--20 G's.

The question is---how many G's would the aircraft be pulling when the TVC is deployed----?

That isn't how it works exactly, TV does not allow you to pull more G's per se. It's to do with how TV work and factors affect G's, both speed and rate of change of direction, centrifugal force are important. So the faster you're going, and tighter your turning, the higher the G count, an aircraft travelling at 300 knots and another travelling at 500 knots can experience the same G turn, only the one travelling slower needs to turn tighter to experience the same G's.

With thrust vectoring, yes you can increase your angle of attack hugely, and very rapidly, you can reach max G's a lot quicker, but because of the nature of TV, the aircraft tilts about it's axis on which it is vectored, thus exposing a larger cross section with respect to that axis and therefore the air resistance increases massively, the aircraft slows, and this in turn controls the G's. So sustained high G turns using TV are another matter entirely the aircraft will slow down and limit them. You talked about dogfights, if an aircraft uses TV, the trade off is the slow down I just described, huge and rapid loss of energy which is not good.

 

[Farah Sohail]

HVKK Official Release on SOLOTURK's demonstration in Pakistan. Air Combat and Missile Defense Command's deputy commander has represented the HVKK throughout the demonstration and Indus Viper.

Making our youth smile, is worth everything in my opinion @Horus.

These pics are really tooo sweet and heart warming... Love these... Esp love the last pic, of the kid..who has painted both Pakistani and Turkish flags on his face...

 

[MastanKhan]

That isn't how it works exactly, TV does not allow you to pull more G's per se. It's to do with how TV work and factors affect G's, both speed and rate of change of direction, centrifugal force are important. So the faster you're going, and tighter your turning, the higher the G count, an aircraft travelling at 300 knots and another travelling at 500 knots can experience the same G turn, only the one travelling slower needs to turn tighter to experience the same G's.

With thrust vectoring, yes you can increase your angle of attack hugely, and very rapidly, you can reach max G's a lot quicker, but because of the nature of TV, the aircraft tilts about it's axis on which it is vectored, thus exposing a larger cross section with respect to that axis and therefore the air resistance increases massively, the aircraft slows, and this in turn controls the G's. So sustained high G turns using TV are another matter entirely the aircraft will slow down and limit them. You talked about dogfights, if an aircraft uses TV, the trade off is the slow down I just described, huge and rapid loss of energy which is not good.

Hi,

I already explained----both aircraft at 300 and at 450 knots can pull 9G's----so one decides to use TVC at that time---speed is the same either 300 or 450----now what would be the change in G's from one aircraft to the other under similar speeds----.